Wesley Sneijder

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Prophet_of_Doom said:
But you could have replaced any of the midfield yesterday with just such a player and it wouldn't have made an iota of difference, simply because our players were unable to find space. A lot has been made of Barcelona's passing and movement, but they were very successful in ensuring that the moment a United player got the ball, all channels were cut out.

Our only true moment of brilliance was a goal (offside) which was all about simple one-touch passing and movement.
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Our biggest problem in our midfield is that most of them can be shut down relatively easily as they can't really dribble with the ball. If an opponent is closing them down fast and there's nobody else in a good easy position to receive the pass, they will invariably either lose the ball or just kick it aimlessly up field.

Giggs and Ando are the only ones who can take players on, but Ando is inconsistent and even Giggs can struggle if the opposition midfielders are mobile, plus how long can we rely on him? The likes of Modric, Sneijder and Banega are constantly moving around and running with the ball which makes them harder to target with so many bodies like what Barca were doing to us. They may not be able to handle Barca themselves either, but they'd certainly be better at that against any other team than what we've currently got.
 
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spiro said:
first sorry for my bad english i'm from croatia
i just registered to this forum and i can see that i can't post in normal threads , just in those for new members.
i'm reading posts for some time and i just need to say this soo i would be thankfull if you could post this in thread about wesley snaider. you don't need to write that i wrote this .
i just can't look anymore to the posts in that thread becaus they are rediculous. the thing that wesley can't play defense and that modric is better for us. modric is top class player but with modric we just get top class MF who can defend but with wesley we get top class MF who can't defend but can score about 10 goals in season and one of the best set piece takers. that thing about defending is so stupid. we need him to defend in games we play against top 4 in england and top clubs in europe, but in other games(so called with mid-table clubs) it's more enough our defense and one MF who will play alongside him.modric isn't player who can win game and wesley is thats why i think is better to buy him than modric if we can chose. and we all saw that he can play defense in games that inter played in europe espacialy the games with barca and bayern. this is why i can't look at their post anymore and listening that we doesn't need him.
i just wannt to you to put this in that thread if it's not a problem to you and if you want it. i just registered to say this and if i wait to admins allow me to post in normal threads the summer tranfers will end and i would be furious not to say this . thanks anyway
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vanthaman said:
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Those are all fair enough points but its not really about their respective defensive capabilities but rather their best positions.

We're after a player who is a creative midfielder than can play CM in a 4-4-2, not one who's primed to to sit in the hole playing off striker(s) - we have a certain Wayne Rooney who loves doing that.
 
RedKaos said:
Those are all fair enough points but its not really about their respective defensive capabilities but rather their best positions.

We're after a player who is a creative midfielder than can play CM in a 4-4-2, not one who's primed to to sit in the hole playing off striker(s) - we have a certain Wayne Rooney who loves doing that.
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We also had a Wayne Rooney who loved playing up top last season too. We need to stop with this Rooney in the hole bollox. He plays up front and sometimes drops off, he does not play in the hole like Sneijder neither would they get in each others way if anything they can play off each other to great effect it's not impossible. Besides Rooney doesn't offer Sneijder's creativity.
 
RedKaos said:
Those are all fair enough points but its not really about their respective defensive capabilities but rather their best positions.

We're after a player who is a creative midfielder than can play CM in a 4-4-2, not one who's primed to to sit in the hole playing off striker(s) - we have a certain Wayne Rooney who loves doing that.
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Having Scholes back in '99 asa pure attacking midfielder never stopped Sheringham or Yorke operating in the hole to great effect. I can't see how signing a player like Sneijder would affect Rooney negatively either. In fact it would make his job way easier.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Having Scholes back in '99 never stopped Sheringham or Yorke operating in the hole. I can't see how siging a player like Sneijder would affect Rooney either. In fact it would make his job way easier.
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Scholes 99 was very different to Scholes 02-03. He was a true midfielder then, when he moved into the hole behind Van Nistelrooy he was a very different player. Again 3 years later when Carrick signed he dropped back even further and played a role closer to what Xavi does.
 
Pexbo said:
Scholes 99 was very different to Scholes 02-03. He was a true midfielder then.
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Scholes 99 was the exact same player Wesley Sneidjer is. The same type of player Ballack was at Leverkusen in 2002 and Lampard has been for Chelsea: an out and out attacking midfielder. Yet he complimented rather than hindered the like of Yorke and Sheringham who like Rooney loved to operate in the hole.
 
Pexbo said:
Scholes 99 was very different to Scholes 02-03. He was a true midfielder then, when he moved into the hole behind Van Nistelrooy he was a very different player. Again 3 years later when Carrick signed he dropped back even further and played a role closer to what Xavi does.
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What does that have to do with what he said?
 
Mainoldo said:
That too. A bunch of follow fashion posters on here to be fair.
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Exactly. I mean just look at Barca, Iniesta and Messi operate comfortably in the hole together, with Iniesta advancing from deep and Messi dropping off the forward line. I can't see how after seeing that first hand someone can turn around and claim signing another player who can operate in a similar way to Iniesta, would hinder Rooney as he drops off the front line.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
Having Scholes back in '99 asa pure attacking midfielder never stopped Sheringham or Yorke operating in the hole to great effect. I can't see how signing a player like Sneijder would affect Rooney negatively either. In fact it would make his job way easier.
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Scholes got away with it because he had the collosus of Keane beside him, and the absolute workhorse of Beckham on the right who almost doubled as a third central midfielder.
 
MadDogg said:
Scholes got away with it because he had the collosus of Keane beside him, and the absolute workhorse of Beckham on the right who almost doubled as a third central midfielder.
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Sneijder would have possibly park and valencia on the wings, two players who work harder than most.
 
MadDogg said:
Scholes got away with it because he had the collosus of Keane beside him, and the absolute workhorse of Beckham on the right who almost doubled as a third central midfielder.
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Well we already have Valencia or Park to do the Beckham work. We can always add an Essien, Keane, Vieira type and we would be sorted of big games if we added a Sneijder.

I just don't see any valid reason for anyone to claim us signing an Scholes of old type player would hinder Rooney.
 
Class player. Still not sure he'd really fit in at OT.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
That is basically barca's formation. I like.
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But that team would be nowhere near as good at retaining the ball as Barcelona and Hernández, while I love him, is no Messi. It could still work but it'd require a beast of a central midfielder behind Rooney and Sneijder.

Or we just ask Sneijder to play deep and orchestrate things from there.

Or, which is the most likely option, we're not going to sign Sneijder at all.
 
Siorac said:
But that team would be nowhere near as good at retaining the ball as Barcelona and Hernández, while I love him, is no Messi. It could still work but it'd require a beast of a central midfielder behind Rooney and Sneijder.

Or we just ask Sneijder to play deep and orchestrate things from there.

Or, which is the most likely option, we're not going to sign Sneijder at all.
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We might as well buy Yaya Toure as well :p
 
He would have been brilliant for us. Curse City and their filthy money.
 
People should not obsess about trying to replicate Barcelona. They're brilliant, but they're not us, they have mostly Spanish players, and frankly it's quite freakish that they have three of the world's top five players in the same midfield.

We're a wonderful club, I think we're the second best team in the world, albeit a long way behind the best.
 
Siorac said:
But that team would be nowhere near as good at retaining the ball as Barcelona and Hernández, while I love him, is no Messi. It could still work but it'd require a beast of a central midfielder behind Rooney and Sneijder.

Or we just ask Sneijder to play deep and orchestrate things from there.

Or, which is the most likely option, we're not going to sign Sneijder at all.
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Then we can always put Rooney in the Messi role and sign a physical beast with passing skill (i.e Cambiasso ilk) to partner Sneijder and Carrick.

One thing is certain IMO. We will sign an attacking midfielder this summer. Be it to just improve our 4-4-2 or to 'Barcarize' us. Bear in mind Cheslea beste Barca with 4-2-3-1 till Ovrebo helped them out. And 4-2-3-1 is almost our standard formation.
 
talkSPORT's man in Holland Marcel van der Kraan admits wages is the only thing holding up Manchester United's deal for Dutchman Wesley Sneijder.
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I'll keep mine in for a little while yet ;)
 
gaz1185 said:
Apparently he is on £155,000pw at Inter. Reports yesterday said he would want over £200,000pw to contemplate leaving Inter... I can't see us offering anywhere near that!
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With Neville, Scholes, VDS and Haggis all retired, plus major boosts to the commercial income stream, I believe we've room there for one or two top wage assets.
 
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