Why, why are there limits to who we buy and for what price? Sneijder is a great player, what does it matter to you what it costs, it's not your money and if United wanna pay it then I'd guess they deem it to be so too and would say to you they have people in a far better position to confirm this than me or you. So the fact that United were after a player like Villa shows you're wrong...
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Why, why are there limits to who we buy and for what price? Sneijder is a great player, what does it matter to you what it costs, it's not your money and if United wanna pay it then I'd guess they deem it to be so too and would say to you they have people in a far better position to confirm this than me or you. So the fact that United were after a player like Villa shows you're wrong...
....there were limits, until United realised that unless they took a strangle-hold off their wage structure, they would lose Roy Keane to Serie A or to La Liga which also made them dawn the probability why they could never attract the likes of Salas, Boksic, Desailly, Kluivert, Batistuta.
I never said I cared what price we paid, I just said I don't think we will be keen on bringing in a player who will start off on 200k a week, if we do and he plays as well for us as he has in other sides then great, but I dobut we'll be finding out. As for Villa, it is easy to say that kind of thing when he has gone to someone else, and I don't think Villa would have beene expecting the wages Sneijder is.
I've seen reports of Modric costing 25-30m, similar to what our lad Sneijder is quoted at 30-40m.
I think £30M is about the most Spurs could expect if they actually intend to sell him, but he is a guy that was openly embarrassed when it came out he was on 70k a week, so I don't think he'd be bartering wages beyond those earned by Berba and Carrick if he came here.
Let's pretend he's a stockbroker; he earns 150K a week at his current job, now has an offer of a better workplace and really wants to work there as the atmosphere is so good and rewarding etc.
The new employers don't turn around and tell him he should be starting off at a low wage compared to his old job because he hasn't done the same for them yet, do they?
They employ him because of what he's done for his old employer and to do that, you generally have to pay more.
This is no different; if Fergie thinks he's needed to do be brought in, he will, if not then he won't.
Of course we wouldn't offer him less, when players come here in their prime they expect to be increasing their money as a rule, but I don't think it's out of the question that Fergie himself would baulk at the wages and look for an alternative.
Do you think Modric can bring better qualities to United than Sneijder can?
I'm not bothered about the wage or the fee, who is a better player or who can bring more to United is what I'm worried about.
I don't see the point in sitting here worrying over the wage bill for a superior player when we have nowt to do with paying it...
Not once have I said I am worried about the wage bill but I do think wages are something Fergie and Gill will take into consideration. I think Sneijder is a better and more productive player than Modric, but Modric is a very good player, Prem proven and would be on roughly a 100K less a week, I think the club would take these factors into consideration when choosing.
I don't see it as a compromise myself. I see it as a very good opportunity to sign a player who would prove more effective and valuable to us than a ''Veron type buy''. The very fact that the Veron signing didn't work out and that Berbatov hasn't been quite as successful as we'd have liked should probably be telling us all something. For instance, poor old Berba has been weighed down by the size of the transfer fee and the expectations that entailed ever since he joined the club and there was a pretty large element of that with Veron too. It's so much easier for a player to settle at Manchester United if they don't join us with a high profile (particularly foreign players who also have the challenge of adapting to English life and English football at the same time).
I'm confident that the scouting department would be able to identify a suitable target if Fergie feels it's an area that needs strengthening. It might well be that Fergie feels we need a different type of centre midfielder, perhaps one with more impressive defensive attributes. Of course if Scholes doesn't retire then it's perfectly possible that Fergie will be happy to go with what he's got.
Spurs would demand extremely silly money for Modric. It wouldn't be less than £40m I reckon.
No, but why are you so mithered about it? If Fergie wants Sneijder and the club will pay his wages, what are your concerns?
What makes ya think that?
What makes me think that is Sneijder is a better passer than Carrick and gets forward, scores goals like Scholes used to, plus he takes corners and free-kicks exceptionally well.
I agree with this. The whole fan being bothered about wages etc. is beyond me, if the club can afford it they will.
But for every Veron and Berbatov, there have also been the likes of Pallister, Keane, Ruud, Rio and Rooney, record signings of varying degree (all United record signings, Rooney being record teenager), and what's to say he will fail? What's to say he'll definitely succeed?
No guts, no glory....I'm sure Fergie won't sign him based on the premise he MIGHT fail, and what sets Sneijder apart from Veron and Berbatov is he's played for same size clubs in Real and Inter, not lesser teams like Lazio, Parma, Spursor Leverkusen.
Plus, Dutch players tend to adapt very well to the Premiership when you consider Bergkamp, Overmars, Van Nistelrooy, Van der Sar, Kuyt etc...
What attitude? He's Dutch for a start, so naturally it will be far from impeccable. Van Der Sar being the exception of course. In all seriousness though you'd have to question his desire at this stage of his career. Reports from Italy this season have not been favourable in that respect and reports from his time in Spain suggested he was far from a ''team player''.
My concern with the formation is that he hasn't actually played in that position for the last three seasons and that he wouldn't be prepared/able to get through the amount of defensive work that Giggs does in that role or even as much as, dare I say it, Anderson, for the 60 minutes he's on the pitch anyway. As somebody else commented you would probably get away with it at home against the bottom 10/12 teams but it wouldn't work in the majority of games. I said he has a history of injury problems and he does.
We didn't even lodge a bid for Villa. We held an interest in the player but knew he wanted to stay in Spain. That really doesn't prove much if we're being honest. It certainly doesn't prove that we'd have been prepared to pay the £35m transfer fee on top of wages of c. 200k per week.
Well the earlier report someone posted quoting Fergie in the Telegraph or whoever it was clearly suggests we WERE after Villa, but were 'too slow' to make enquiries.
As for your initial claim that 'he's Dutch so he must be a knob', that's quite outlandish isn' it mate? Just a daft comment in fact, was Bergkamp a knob at Arsenal? Did Kanchelskis sit around drinking vodka whilst ice-fishing, does Evra ride around on bicycles with onions round his neck?
What desire do you speak of? He's won the Champions League and came close to a World Cup win, if they hung on a few more minutes the Dutch could have won in a penalty shoot-out, he's had two seasons in Italy and now might want to try his hand at the best team in England, possibly Europe, what's wrong with that?
What position hasn't he played in, midfield? Has he been left-back has he? He can play midfield and if you watch him, he drifts deep and wide, back and forth, he can be equally effective in a 4-4-2 or in a 4-5-1.
I've said for years as long as you have quality in the midfield, it doesn't matter what formation you play as they begin to adapt to you, not you to them...
I think that SAF made it evident in recent past that he wont be spending alot of money on 27+ year olds.
But that's not all Carrick does, he's a much more dependable midfield player. All you're getting at is that Sneijder is a young Scholes with set piece capabilities. Don't overrate him by underrating our own midfielders, as our players offer just as much as he does just in a different role
No, Gill said this in the summer of 2009 then we went out and signed Michael Owen immediately after.
He has also said we can compete with City in the transfer market so you take what he says with a pinch of salt...
I'm not over-rating anyone Robert, because Sneijder is a class-act and he's just as good a passer as Carrick and he gets forward to attack also, like Scholes used to.
Even still, even if he lacks the defensive qualities these two have (hmmmph, Scholes!), then he's still more complete in their capabilities in my opinion and do me a favour, don't under-rate Sneijder because you think I have insulted Scholes/Carrick because I haven't...
I'm not underrating him Johnno. Maybe we see Carrick in a different role in the team. For me, Carrick is the anchorman in midfield who sometimes contributes with his passing when his midfield partner(s) aren't fulfilling their attacking roles. I don't see Sneijder as a Carrick/Scholes hybrid, just as a younger less trigger-happy Scholes.
Sneijder couldn't play Carrick's role at United, Scoreboard, not even close. A player being a good passer, even a superior passer than Carrick, doesn't necessarily mean he can perform Carrick's role; and in this case you're well off the mark. What role do you think Carrick adopts?
Sounds like exactly the kinda player we need.
I'd rather we invest in an ascending young player like Goetze. At 18, he seems to have a tremendous upside that would warrant an investment now before the inevitable speculation pushes his fee into the stratosphere. Even if its not him, a Rio or Rooney type investment in a younger player would seem wiser than something similar for a 27 year old.
Why do people keep bringing up his age? This is one of the world's best midfielders. He has played for Madrid and Inter winning loads of trophies. Was a huge part of the dutch run to the world cup finals. He is a fighter and a leader on the pitch which lets face it has been something we have sometimes lacked in the middle of the park. He is capable of grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck.
Goetze is already being massively hyped and wouldn't really cost that much less than Sneijder. He is no doubt extremely talented but he has a long way to go before he is considered to be anywhere close to Sneijders level.
Was. That's the point. He's still a fantastic player but lets be realistic about how much longer he can be expected to play at a level commensurate with the muppet love on here. Goetze on the other hand could have a Rooney like impact on the club.
5 years, easily. 6 or 7 wouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility - and Giggs and Scholes have shown 10 years would not be impossible if he is professional enough.
This was only a year ago Raoul, it's not like a decade ago ffs!
Sneijder WILL have an impact immediately unlike Goetz who MAY do several years away...
Who's this Goetze feen?
Whatever you do, don't google his name.
I'd like someone's opinion on him, not a news article or Wikipedia entry
The point being that he's peaked. He wont get any better than that, at which we would be getting a hyped name who probably wouldn't be able to reascend to the heights that inspired us to buy him. We had our chance a few years ago when Real let him go at a bargain. I doubt we will get him unless Fergie has specifically eyeballed him for a particular role.
Have you checked the Goetze thread ?
Sneidjer is 26 now and will turn 27 this summer. So he would have barely turned 27 and you want to sell him quickly eh?
I've only watched 5-8 games of his this season but his main strengths are great close control, good passing range, always looks to bring the ball up the park and can beat a defender with ease. Also chips in with a decent amount of goals from midfield. A similar style of play to Nasri I'd say.
That is just bollocks. He cannot defend as good as Carrick but signing him will never mean the end of either Anderson or Carrick.
I mean come on, you are basically buying Sneidjer to replace Scholes. The latter is playing still. Sneidjer is a better playmaker than Carrick. Carrick is best when he does not have to do both playmaking and defensive duties in the same game like if he plays with Fletcher in a 2 man midfield.
How old was Cantona? Almost 27...
Did Rio peak when he was with Leeds? Who would have thought Scholes would carry our midfield in 07? Giggsy is still tearing people apart for fun. Sneijder is a great player, that much is disputable regardless of whether he comes to United. And history has shone us that if you look after your body in football and are at the right club barring injuries there is no reason you can't still maintain a very high level of performance into your 30s.
Didn't even notice one
I've always liked Nasri's style of play. Is Goetze also a lesbian?
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