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How many more seasons are we going to get away with that excuse for Anderson?
I'm not saying that they will start at the Emirates next season for us. I'm only saying that given our current financial situation, there are better options than buying Sneijder who is again a brilliant playmaker but would cost a fortune. One of those is to gradually blood youngsters into the first team. We rarely sign established stars anyways.
Pretty sure he never said that, more like that he wanted to go to Barca and there was nothing we could do about it
Please do tell me who exactly has nailed a first team place at age 18 and who exactly has STARED for United when they were 18 except maybe for Rooney. Ronaldo started playing for us maybe when he was 18 but was he a star when he started playing for us?
And Rooney is MILES better than Sneidjer in the hole behind the striker? What bollocks are you talking? This is like the first season he is playing there consistently. When Ronaldo was here, he was on the left. Last season he played up top and was an out and out striker. Sneidjer has been playing in that position for some years now.
Last chance saloon I guess. He was brilliant at home this season, but horrible away, I will still give him one more year because I think he has immense potential.
Doesn't actually say anything about being priced out (opposite, in fact), but one quote from him that backs up my earlier point:
"We’d need to get really top players in to galvanise the younger players coming through. That’s a possibility."
How many more preseasons and full seasons are you going to give Anderson? He is a good player but he is never going to be world class. What are you going to say in two seasons? He is not mature enough and players peak only when they are 27 so you are prepared to wait till he turns 27 to get the best out of him?
What ? Rooney was playing in the hole when Ruud was here, he's always been a second striker / attacking midfielder, it's his natural position. Where do you want Rooney (& Chicharito) to play if we buy Sneijder ?
I'd accept that as a reasonable argument if it wasn't for that fact that below VDS, Scholes, Giggs and Neville there is another large group of extremely experienced players. I make it that there are a further 9/10 players currently in the squad who are among the club's top 80 appearance makers of all time in addition to VDS, Scholes and Neville.
Rooney and Chicharito are not going to start every game. What happens if they get injured?
Chicharito
Rooney
Nani/Park---------------------------Valencia
Sneidjer-------------Carrick
Rooney
Nani/Park---------------------------Valencia
Sneidjer-------------Carrick
He would be a good option to have in a 4-4-2 at Old Trafford against most teams. I'm just not sure if he is mobile enough to carry the defensive burden in a 4-4-2 when we play away from home. Leaving the defensive duties to just one man (Carrick) doesn't work and leaves the midfield imbalanced.
You'd have to back two or three years to find my last post in this forum and that was probably a wum.....but if we sign Sneider I'll break down with excitement like a School Girl at a Justin Beiber concert.
I think he would fit right into our team and would add energy, pace, creativeness, goals and just sheer class to it.
Break the bank for him Fergie.
I think he would fit right into our team and would add energy, pace, creativeness, goals and just sheer class to it.
Break the bank for him Fergie.
Sneijder through ball onto a Hernandez, Nani or Valencia run.
Exactly
I meant talking about no value in his fee and wages, which that article does not include... Perhaps because those comments arent real? I might have just missed them though, not counting it out
Why are they better options than an established star of world football?
Are you basing this on the 'kids don't win you things' faux pas from Hansen? If so, just remember that Beckham, Butt, Scholes et al were all born 1974/75 so they were 20/21 when they broke through in 1995/96, the likes of Pogba, Morrison etc are all just 18 and I'd be pleased as punch if they all make it but chances are not for a few years yet.
Fergie is clearly an FM regen whore. He likes to use his own FMRTE to find unknowns with the highest PA.
You got me all wrong, fella; I'm agreeing with you.
I'm stating to GCHQ or whatever he's called he's placing far too much emphasis on this resale value nonsense when Sneijder for me would be a clear winner in the Premiership.
Yup, he also made comments, around the time that he confirmed his interest in Villa, about the combination of a large transfer fee and huge salary being extremely expensive and not representing value for money. Admittedly he didn't mention Villa by name and he might have been making a general point on the issue.
Well you quoted me, so I thought you were addressing me. Sorry. :]
I haven't made any mention of resale value. The point about signing players at a relatively young age (22-25) is that there's the potential to get ten years service from them. After all (Ronaldo apart) it's not like we don't have a history of retaining our best players. The potential resale value to Manchester United is a much smaller element to that financial consideration.
I remember that, he said the outlay of £30M on a player was not a problem, it was the fact that by the time you factor in the crazy wages the price is £70M.
If Scholes retires though Fergie may treat himself to a bit of proven class to add in to our already bulging youth group.
It all depends on which players you'd classify as ''proven class''. If you're talking about players like Carrick for instance at the time we signed him from Tottenham then I'd agree. Even though I consider Modric as a pretty unrealistic target this Summer I'd still consider him a possibility. I see no possibility whatsoever of us signing Sneijder.
When I was talking of proven class I don't see a huge gulf between Modric and Sneijder, although I rate the latter higher. I simply meant the type of player who has some top level experience and who could come in and be a fist teamer right away.
I'm not saying I think Sniejder is the be all and end all as some seem to feel, I am personally disappointed that Real have pulled off the £8M Sahin coup, he was my ideal "Muppet" buy for our midfield, if Fergie finds a similar player and deal then count me chuffed.
Utd have spent close to £85m on Ferdinand since signing him taking in his wages & initial fee.
What's the point about the wages? Fergie wanted him and considered him at Utd...
I was just repeating what Fergie said about the wages being the problem with buying top players. Every £30M player wants a 100K a week right off the bat at the very least.
Yeah but what Fergie's saying is a consoling after-thought in not getting him. He would have been happy paying it had he got him.
As I say, Ferdinand has been on £100k for nine years, Rooney will be on similar figures soon, you pay this because you have to pay it for quality.
I don't want to get into the whole Glazer thing but Ferdinand was bought and paid for in a different era at the club, in Rooney's case he has been with us from being a boy and his pay has gradually increased to what it is. If the reports on the Sneijder deal are true he wants parity with Rooney right away, now given his pedigree that is fair enough I guess, but whether the club want two players on Rooney sized salaries is something I am unsure of.
Christ almightly. Are you being deliberately thick?
My reasoning behind United not signing Sneijder is due to a COMBINATION of his age, his attitude/mentality, his salary demands and his transfer fee. There are also some pretty reasonable doubts about how he would fit into the team but you don't even need to consider that in order to rule this transfer out.
He just wouldn't represent anything close to decent value for money. The risk/reward ratio is terrible and we haven't even talked about his history of injury problems.
I've no doubt that we could afford to sign the player but it wouldn't be a smart acquisition and to quote David Gill: ''It's highly unlikely that we would want to go to those levels (of spending). We don't think it's necessary.''
No no, let's get into the Glazer thing; are you saying we've bought no-one of significance in the transfer market since May 2005? Because I can think of Evra, Vidic, Carrick, Anderson, Nani, (Tevez), Berbatov, Smalling and Hernandez; that's a fair outlay and consistent in previous spending the decade prior to the Glazer's arrival.
The Glazer's have nothing to do with it, the transfer funds have been made available when required as evidenced in the above examples. As for the wage structure, that remains quite hefty too, just because not all of them are on 100K a week doesn't mean any of these lot are struggling by any means and do better than most Premiership players.
Sneijder would work out perfect for our youngsters because he is quite old.
Him already being 28 when he comes here means we can then bring our youngsters in when he fizzes out in a few years time.
Pogba, Petrucci, James, Tunniclife etc all need at least a couple of years to be regulars in the squad if they make it imo.
Him already being 28 when he comes here means we can then bring our youngsters in when he fizzes out in a few years time.
Pogba, Petrucci, James, Tunniclife etc all need at least a couple of years to be regulars in the squad if they make it imo.
So somebody at the level of Carrick when he was at Tottenham, Modric* or as you say Dortmund's Sahin before Madrid signed him. I agree with that. There has to be a reasonable possibility that we'd sign a player at that level, especially if Scholes retires. A player at a second/third tier club, in the 22-25 year age range, who would see joining United as the biggest challenge of his career and who wouldn't demand ridiculous, Sneijder-esque wages.
*Spurs would more than likely demand a ridiculously large transfer fee so he probably isn't a realistic target. But a player of that calibre at another second tier club would be what we're looking for.
That wasn't what I said, the players you list weren't coming in as the main man in an Inter side that won a treble and the guy who was the focal point to Holland's World Cup final run, who would be wanting close to the 200k a week salary Rooney is on. I think we can afford a quality buy and we do pay good wages, but there are limits IMO.
This seems the logical route, the compromise as opposed to the Veron type buy. I have to say though I have no idea looking around at the second tier clubs who would possible fit the bill.
How much exactly do you think Spurs would want for Modric? not that I personally think he's ideal.
And there always have been limits, right back to the PLC days and before then too. The reason? Good old fashioned common sense.
Til he actually has a pre season behind him
OK, again he's only 27, what attitude? He's a CL winner, WC finalist with an award for WC top scorer and second best player, what evidence do you have he's a knob?
What are your concerns about the formation, that he creates too many goals? What differentiates Modric's position will fit him into the team? And may I ask, how much would Modric cost? I'd guess 25m myself, not far off the conservative 30m Sneijder is bracketed in.
Sneijder has been fit and healthy the past three seasons, I don't know what injury concerns you refer to, sorry.
And you seem to be quoting Gill's old comment when United CLEARLY were after Villa last summer proving they would and will pay big money and for over 25...
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