Wesley Sneijder

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Scoreboard Red said:
Fergie's done it before though; he could have bought for Ferdinand for £18 million from West Ham but ended up paying £30 million two years later, he also could have signed Berbatov for around £7 million from Leverkusen but payed £32 million two or three seasons later.
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Berbatov turned us down when joining Spurs claiming our bid came too late so Fergie was interested then it just didn't happen

As for Rio good point I guess, only thing you could possibly say then though was we had Stam and so had no need for Rio but on the flip side it's only been evident over the past two seasons that we've needed a new midfielder in the Sneijder mould so you could have a point
 
Wan said:
Do we sacrifice a winger/striker in the first team to fit him in?
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I don't see that we need to; we could play a 4-4-2 variation with him pushing up toward the front two on the premise Rooney gets back, Valencia gets back and we play someone like Fletcher or Anderson or even if we were to sign a midfielder such as Rodwell.
That could work - in Europe we could play Rooney upfront alone with three central midfielders (Sneijder flanked by two grafters in Anderson, Fletcher) and Valencia and Nani.
I think there's plenty of stability and attacking options here for the two variants to be a very good United team.
 
charlenefan said:
Berbatov turned us down when joining Spurs claiming our bid came too late so Fergie was interested then it just didn't happen

As for Rio good point I guess, only thing you could possibly say then though was we had Stam and so had no need for Rio but on the flip side it's only been evident over the past two seasons that we've needed a new midfielder in the Sneijder mould so you could have a point
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I think we all expected, perhaps naively, Hargreaves would come back as I am a big fan of the curly-headed fella and it's very sad and frustrating his injuries have kept him from us as he was very solid in the games he played in 2007/08.
Anderson has also disappointed as I saw a lot of potential in him, and still do, but he's not followed up on this...yet.
But since the departure of Keane, there's been no-one who looks dominant in midfield. Most assume they need to be a Keane-type player to emulate that ability, you don't. Sneijder has looked the best player for Holland for ages now and when he's on the ball, he runs the show. He wants the ball, he makes the play happen. He wants the responsibility too, you can see it in him and that shows through when the chips are down and you need a hero (cue Bonnie Langford intro; "wooh-wooh-wooh-wooh-aah-aah, where have all the good men gone...").
 
charlenefan said:
Berbatov turned us down when joining Spurs claiming our bid came too late so Fergie was interested then it just didn't happen

As for Rio good point I guess, only thing you could possibly say then though was we had Stam and so had no need for Rio but on the flip side it's only been evident over the past two seasons that we've needed a new midfielder in the Sneijder mould so you could have a point
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SAF said that Nani and Anderson would replace Giggs and Scholes. He got one right with Nani. Anderson have shown plenty of promise in that position, but like Nani showed before, it takes time to consistently play at that good level. Anderson showed what he's all about in the middle of this season before struggling with that knee injury. He's still fairly young for a CM, 23 this April. Get him fit again and playing next to Carrick, he would show his worth.

Scoreboard Red said:
I don't see that we need to; we could play a 4-4-2 variation with him pushing up toward the front two on the premise Rooney gets back, Valencia gets back and we play someone like Fletcher or Anderson or even if we were to sign a midfielder such as Rodwell.
That could work - in Europe we could play Rooney upfront alone with three central midfielders (Sneijder flanked by two grafters in Anderson, Fletcher) and Valencia and Nani.
I think there's plenty of stability and attacking options here for the two variants to be a very good United team.
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He/VDV/Ozil would be great in a 433/4231. But we play 442 quite regularly as well. Is he good enough to play in the middle without hurting us that much?
 
Wan said:
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He/VDV/Ozil would be great in a 433/4231. But we play 442 quite regularly as well. Is he good enough to play in the middle without hurting us that much?
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I can't see why not, his passing and controlling the play would be instrumental and he would be as Scholes used to be where he'd switch the ball right to left or take it on himself or to the striker.
I think there'd be a number of ways to use Wes Sneijder at United, even behind a lone striker or a flat 4-4-2.
 
Theres almost no chance he will be coming here unless Inter buy Kaka or something like that. Even if Inter buy Kaka there is almost no chance Fergie will splash out on Wesley. Instead he will buy a younger cheaper version if he wants a similar type player
 
Wan said:
Half? Only some of the big games it's like that. I suppose you thought that Park/Giggs/Nani were playing alongside two other in the middle then? We played with two strikers upfront more often. Rooney further forward, and Berba/Tevez behind him.. in the big games, we play with only one striker upfront, and only sometimes Ronaldo played through the middle.
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We didn't play 4-4-2 with Ronaldo in this side - it was at best a 4-3-3. The move to 4-4-2 followed the signing of Valencia who is more of an out and out winger than Ronaldo and Rooney rarely played as the out and out forward - hence the plaudits he got last year by doing just that.

We now play a more rigid 4-4-2 more regularly but I would suggest that this is more down to the personel than anything else. We do still play 4-5-1/4-3-3 on occaision against the big teams when we try to pack the midfield
 
Wan said:
SAF said that Nani and Anderson would replace Giggs and Scholes. He got one right with Nani. Anderson have shown plenty of promise in that position, but like Nani showed before, it takes time to consistently play at that good level. Anderson showed what he's all about in the middle of this season before struggling with that knee injury. He's still fairly young for a CM, 23 this April. Get him fit again and playing next to Carrick, he would show his worth.

He/VDV/Ozil would be great in a 433/4231. But we play 442 quite regularly as well. Is he good enough to play in the middle without hurting us that much?
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He can't be any worse that Gibson or Carrick in a 4-4-2.

He'd be an improvement to any side. Top quality player.
 
We need an experienced CM/Playmaker to take over from Scholesy/Giggsy. He can be him. But I doubt we have the money for it, and Inter would never let him go anyway.
 
What kind of money would we be talking with him? His wages would be astronomical if he's already on £140,000 a week at Inter you question whether that alone would be worth it. I mean, he's bound to expect at least a 30% increase on that you could speculate.
 
Please, please, please. I don't usually get muppety about potential signings but the idea of signing Sneijder is :drool:
 
RedRover said:
We didn't play 4-4-2 with Ronaldo in this side - it was at best a 4-3-3. The move to 4-4-2 followed the signing of Valencia who is more of an out and out winger than Ronaldo and Rooney rarely played as the out and out forward - hence the plaudits he got last year by doing just that.

We now play a more rigid 4-4-2 more regularly but I would suggest that this is more down to the personel than anything else. We do still play 4-5-1/4-3-3 on occaision against the big teams when we try to pack the midfield
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Rooney was often played as the furthest forward in most games with Tevez and then with Berba behind him. You're only thinking of the big games. Ronaldo had license to roam forward and stay forward though and have little defensive duty.
 
Sunny Jim said:
i see no issue whatsoever.

agaisnt lesser sides- just a 442 formation, just like in the old days when post-injury Keano was more focused on shileding the back-four and Scholesy played further on the pitch.

against big sides 4-5-1
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It's not as simple as that. And it's not the old days anymore. It's harder nowadays IMO for it to work. That's why all those type of players have a few people covering his back.
 
charlenefan said:
Berbatov turned us down when joining Spurs claiming our bid came too late so Fergie was interested then it just didn't happen

As for Rio good point I guess, only thing you could possibly say then though was we had Stam and so had no need for Rio but on the flip side it's only been evident over the past two seasons that we've needed a new midfielder in the Sneijder mould so you could have a point
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United had a bonafide need for another defender that summer (2000). Brown, Johnsen and May were all coming off serious knee injuries, with only Johnsen having taken any part in the prior season. Silvestre was a calamity in central defense and SAF was pushing him to the left, permanently (at the time). There was a serious need for a top class central defender. There were the Sol Campbell rumors and Thuram too I believe.

As it was, the club didn't sign a defender, Johnsen, May and Stam all got crocked, and the likes of Brown, Gary and Silvestre were thrown into the middle frequently, even a young O'Shea saw action (Berg was tossed out, unfairly). Brown actually played quite well that year however. Yet the need for a defender still existed, hence SAF going after the likes of Thuram, Nesta, et al in 2001 but failing to sign, then tossing Stam out for Blanc, and paying vastly over the odds for Rio the following summer when a serious need for a long term central defender was evident.
 
MrMarcello said:
United had a bonafide need for another defender that summer (2000). Brown, Johnsen and May were all coming off serious knee injuries, with only Johnsen having taken any part in the prior season. Silvestre was a calamity in central defense and SAF was pushing him to the left, permanently (at the time). There was a serious need for a top class central defender. There were the Sol Campbell rumors and Thuram too I believe.
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We don't really dip into the transfer market to replace players who are supposed to come back from injury. Splashing the money on Rio that summer didn't seem all that needed. We had Stam, we had great faith in Brown, we had Johnsen. If we were going to sign a player to replace Brown and Johnsen, we would have done so a year before - as they missed most if not all of 99/00, but were coming back in the summer of 2000.

It was the summer of 2001 when Campbell moved and there were strong rumours of us and Thuram (who ended up at Juventus). By that time, though, Rio was already at Leeds, who he joined during 2000/01.
 
golden_blunder said:
aggghh... there it is again

Fergie has stated on more than 1 occasion that he had planned to play both as partners but it didnt work out like that in the end
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Stam was sold 27 Aug, Blanc was signed 30 Aug. SAF has since stated selling Stam was a mistake. He initially tried to claim it was to balance the books and passed the blame to the PLC. SAF isn't always innocent. So why defend him in this regard? Some are so blind and ingorant to what really happened in this situation. Stam was sold off, Blanc was brought in. The club didn't have to sell. Neither did SAF have to let go. If he was going to partner Stam, this after Wes had an exception 2000/01 season, then the club wouldn't have accepted a bid from Lazio.
 
Ringo 07 said:
Theres almost no chance he will be coming here unless Inter buy Kaka or something like that. Even if Inter buy Kaka there is almost no chance Fergie will splash out on Wesley. Instead he will buy a younger cheaper version if he wants a similar type player
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I wouldn't mind Sergio Canales.
 
Amir said:
We don't really dip into the transfer market to replace players who are supposed to come back from injury. Splashing the money on Rio that summer didn't seem all that needed. We had Stam, we had great faith in Brown, we had Johnsen. If we were going to sign a player to replace Brown and Johnsen, we would have done so a year before - as they missed most if not all of 99/00, but were coming back in the summer of 2000.

It was the summer of 2001 when Campbell moved and there were strong rumours of us and Thuram (who ended up at Juventus). By that time, though, Rio was already at Leeds, who he joined during 2000/01.
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They tried to sign Naybet in 1999 but had fears over his knee, which turned out just fine for Deportivo the next 3-4 years.

But with three players coming back from serious knee injuries, two of which had significant injury histories, signing a defender should have been priority number two that summer behind a keeper.

I said Campbell was in 2000, not 2001. He had all but agreed with Arsenal by 2001. In 2000, he was being quoted at 15m to United. Rio joined Leeds in Nov 2000 - but United could have signed him months before.
 
Sultan said:
Would Sneijder coming in likely spell the end of Anderson?
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I highly doubt it because Sneijder is more of a playmaker while Ando is more of a box to box midfielder, who rushes players and puts them under pressure.

Sniedjer

Ando-----Carrick​

That would work well. Sneidjer playing the hole behind the striker and Ando and Carrick behind him provide the defensive cover.
 
RDCR07 said:
I highly doubt it because Sneijder is more of a playmaker while Ando is more of a box to box midfielder, who rushes players and puts them under pressure.

Sniedjer

Ando-----Carrick​

That would work well. Sneidjer playing the hole behind the striker and Ando and Carrick behind him provide the defensive cover.
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That would be nice
 
Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov upfront..
Giggs, Park, Valencia, Nani out wide...
No thanks.
 
I actually think more than likely if Sneijder were to come it would mean the end of Carrick; the guy's been dismal the last two seasons unfortunately, I think we'd be more likely to play Anderson and Fletcher, who have both also been poor at times it must be said but Fergie appreciates their qualities.
 
Scoreboard Red said:
I actually think more than likely if Sneijder were to come it would mean the end of Carrick; the guy's been dismal the last two seasons unfortunately, I think we'd be more likely to play Anderson and Fletcher, who have both also been poor at times it must be said but Fergie appreciates their qualities.
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So dismal we just signed him up on a new contract.
 
MrMarcello said:
But with three players coming back from serious knee injuries, two of which had significant injury histories, signing a defender should have been priority number two that summer behind a keeper.

I said Campbell was in 2000, not 2001. He had all but agreed with Arsenal by 2001. In 2000, he was being quoted at 15m to United. Rio joined Leeds in Nov 2000 - but United could have signed him months before.
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Could have, and didn't, because Wes and Johnsen were coming back. You may be right in saying we should have signed a defender rather than expect their full recovery (Johnsen still suffered injuries after that), but we didn't. We didn't do that in the year they were actually out (like you said, Naybett), and we weren't going to do that when they DID come back. Especially an expensive transfer of a player like Rio, who was still a pretty rough diamond at the time.
 
Is there anyone on here who seriously believes that we will be able to buy Sneijder?
 
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