Wesley Sneijder

[phelans shorts]

So Messi moving to left back is the same as Sneijder moving from behind the strikers to midfield?

And another thing, if Fergie thinks Sneijder is what we need, then who are we to argue. Let's see what happens.

Do you not see the point I was making or are you being deliberately obtuse?

He would be changing role massively moving from his usual role to play deeper, where he might be expected to work hard off the ball. Something which isn't his forte to be kind.

Ferguson makes mistakes, everyone does. This would be another one IMVHO.

 

[pocco]

So Messi moving to left back is the same as Sneijder moving from behind the strikers to midfield?

And another thing, if Fergie thinks Sneijder is what we need, then who are we to argue. Let's see what happens.

It would require Sneijder to put more work in defensively. He's never struck me as that type of player, hence the 2 or 3 workhorses Inter tend to play behind him in midfield.

 

[Feeky Magee]

His £35m form is as a CAM. Not quite as advanced as Rooney's preferred role, but in the same area. We need someone to control the midfield, not adorn it.

 

[pocco]

His £35m form is as a CAM. Not quite as advanced as Rooney's preferred role, but in the same area. We need someone to control the midfield, not adorn it.

So are you for or against Sneijder?

 

[Trigg]

His £35m form is as a CAM. Not quite as advanced as Rooney's preferred role, but in the same area. We need someone to control the midfield, not adorn it.

You either posted that on Twitter yourself or you stole it from someone on Twitter!

 

[Red_Jamie]

He has the passing ability to control a midfield but he isn't a 'ball winner'.. Then again nor was Scholes.

 

[wr8_utd]

He has the passing ability to control a midfield but he isn't a 'ball winner'.. Then again nor was Scholes.

And no one complained about Scholes.

Sneijder could be similar to our Scholes of 2006-07 and that would be incredibly good.

 

[Feeky Magee]

You either posted that on Twitter yourself or you stole it from someone on Twitter!

The former and the latter actually. I posted it on Twitter, and quoted the "control not adorn" part from someone else.

So are you for or against Sneijder?

I wouldn't be against it per se, I just think that a) there are more suitable options out there, and b) it would be a little strange, especially under a rather low-spending ownership, to splash out megabucks on a player who is worth megabucks because of his form in one position, and then play him in another one.

 

[CnutOfAllCnuts]

He has the passing ability to control a midfield but he isn't a 'ball winner'.. Then again nor was Scholes.

No, but Scholes disciplined defensively, and superb at intercepting as well as picking up positions in order to picking up second balls.

 

[Jonno]

Nobody has had a problem with Giggs sitting in a similar position to the one that Sneijder plays, free in the centre of midfield, but still behind Rooney.

 

[wr8_utd]

Nobody has had a problem with Giggs sitting in a similar position to the one that Sneijder plays, free in the centre of midfield, but still behind Rooney.

Exactly. If that worked so well I see no reason why Sneijder and Carrick shouldn't work.

And a 4-3-3 with Fletcher, Carrick and Sneijder in a free role behind Rooney would be fantastic!

 

[thebelfastboy]

Our midfield has been crying out for a creative/goalscoring midfielder for a few years now, I'm really really surprised that some people are now questioning our move for one of the worlds top talents who is in the absolute prime of his career.

I personally think he will be excellent for us if we get him.

 

[ciderman9000000]

Can't Anderson, Carrick and Fletcher all control a midfield? I don't think we'd run into too many problems with having the option of the following formations (to name but three):

Carrick
Sneijder
Rooney Berbatov

Anderson Sneijder
Rooney
Hernandez

Carrick Fletcher
Sneijder
Rooney​

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The former and the latter actually. I posted it on Twitter, and quoted the "control not adorn" part from someone else.

I wouldn't be against it per se, I just think that a) there are more suitable options out there, and b) it would be a little strange, especially under a rather low-spending ownership, to splash out megabucks on a player who is worth megabucks because of his form in one position, and then play him in another one.

Such as?

The only more suitable candidate I can think of would be Modric and he's out of the question, thanks to point b).

 

[CnutOfAllCnuts]

Creativity is not our "problem", a midfielder that takes the games by the scruff of the neck is something we're sometimes missing. Sneijder will not do that for us.

 

[pocco]

Creativity is not our "problem", a midfielder that takes the games by the scruff of the neck is something we're sometimes missing. Sneijder will not do that for us.

Just you watch, we'll bring in this creative midfielder that everyone is after and then next summer they'll move onto 'we need a midfield destroyer'.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Creativity is not our "problem", a midfielder that takes the games by the scruff of the neck is something we're sometimes missing. Sneijder will not do that for us.

Who will?

I haven't watched Sneijder enough to have any strong opinions on him but he seems to be a creative passer of the ball and is a goal threat. We could do with a player like that in the middle of the park, now that Giggs can be expected to make less of a contribution.

In terms of energy and aggression, we badly missed Fletcher last season, when he was a shadow of his former self. If he can get back to his best, we'll have him, Carrick and Anderson all more than capable of stopping the opposition from playing. It would be nice to have someone a bit more capable of unlocking defences when we do have the ball.

 

[thebelfastboy]

Creativity is not our "problem", a midfielder that takes the games by the scruff of the neck is something we're sometimes missing. Sneijder will not do that for us.

I disagree, unlocking defences when the proverbial bus is parked, goals/long range shooting from midfield, threat from free kicks/set pieces is something this side hasnt had for a while - sneider brings that to the table in abundance.

 

[ciderman9000000]

Creativity is not our "problem", a midfielder that takes the games by the scruff of the neck is something we're sometimes missing. Sneijder will not do that for us.

Anderson and Fletcher can definitely do that though.

 

[vanthaman]

Would this work???



With the ball

-----------Carrick-----------
-----sneijder---Rooney-----
Winger--Hernandez--winger


Without the ball

Winger---carrick---sneijder---winger
----------Rooney---Hernandez

 

[wr8_utd]

Who will?

I haven't watched Sneijder enough to have any strong opinions on him but he seems to be a creative passer of the ball and is a goal threat. We could do with a player like that in the middle of the park, now that Giggs can be expected to make less of a contribution.

In terms of energy and aggression, we badly missed Fletcher last season, when he was a shadow of his former self. If he can get back to his best, we'll have him, Carrick and Anderson all more than capable of stopping the opposition from playing. It would be nice to have someone a bit more capable of unlocking defences when we do have the ball.

Completely agree.

 

[Hellboy]

Sneijder is not what we need at United, are there some people on here who agree with me ? I have the feeling that everybody wants him. When we play Rooney Chicha upfront, Rooney plays deeper so where do you put Sneijder ? We need a deep lying playmaker, not an attacking midfielder.

 

[CnutOfAllCnuts]

Who will?

I haven't watched Sneijder enough to have any strong opinions on him but he seems to be a creative passer of the ball and is a goal threat. We could do with a player like that in the middle of the park, now that Giggs can be expected to make less of a contribution.

In terms of energy and aggression, we badly missed Fletcher last season, when he was a shadow of his former self. If he can get back to his best, we'll have him, Carrick and Anderson all more than capable of stopping the opposition from playing. It would be nice to have someone a bit more capable of unlocking defences when we do have the ball.

As I said, we're not really lacking in terms of creativity and making goals and chances. Where that creativity is coming from is irrelevant, IMO.

The Anderson we all are hoping for is the player we need. Strong, good on the ball, bags of energy, making runs in the box.

 

[Randall Flagg]

Anderson will become a regular 1st team player next season. Or at least he will be given the chance to. He has it all in his locker and would be fine beside Sneijder or in a 3 with Carrick too

 

[UnitedBoy]

if we didnt sign young i would want nasri, i think he is outstanding. But does not spread the play like what we might need.

If we were to play young and valencia, we would have great width and i wouldnt trust anderson or carrick to play the scholes role. I think that is why i would prefer sneijder.

 

[phelans shorts]

Anderson will become a regular 1st team player next season. Or at least he will be given the chance to. He has it all in his locker and would be fine beside Sneijder or in a 3 with Carrick too

Anderson and Sneijder as a midfield 2?

That's a disaster waiting to happen, to put it bluntly.

 

[pocco]

Sneijder is not what we need at United, are there some people on here who agree with me ? I have the feeling that everybody wants him. When we play Rooney Chicha upfront, Rooney plays deeper so where do you put Sneijder ? We need a deep lying playmaker, not an attacking midfielder.

I agree. I spent a lot of last season watching players that I thought we'd be in for. The best player was Nuri Sahin in the deep lying playmaker role, but he was snapped up by Madrid. He would have been a good player for us.

 

[Jonno]

Sneijder is not what we need at United, are there some people on here who agree with me ? I have the feeling that everybody wants him. When we play Rooney Chicha upfront, Rooney plays deeper so where do you put Sneijder ? We need a deep lying playmaker, not an attacking midfielder.

In the position Giggs played in for much of last season? Free to roam central midfield?

 

[GIT Z RED]

I was at the dublin super cup on saturday, when sneijder came over to sign autographs for the celtic fans a load of city fans ran over to him telling him to feck off and starting to kiss their badge, he asked them why they were doing it with a big smeark on his face.

 

[Randall Flagg]

You dont think Anderson is capable to be a holding midfielder and be effective at it?

I really think he can and will be given the chance

 

[phelans shorts]

if we didnt sign young i would want nasri, i think he is outstanding. But does not spread the play like what we might need.

If we were to play young and valencia, we would have great width and i wouldnt trust anderson or carrick to play the scholes role. I think that is why i would prefer sneijder.

You wouldn't trust Carrick who plays in a very similar style to Scholes and was 1st choice ahead of Scholes last season even, to play the Scholes role yet you would Sneijder who has never played a role anything like that before?

 

[Adzzz]

I had a friend hospitalized for a big smeark on his face once - no laughing matter.

 

[CnutOfAllCnuts]

Anderson and Fletcher can definitely do that though.

Yes, they can. But that requires Anderson to start playing consistently at a higher level, and Fletcher to be fit.

However, a midfield of those two are lacking in passing ability.

 

[phelans shorts]

You dont think Anderson is capable to be a holding midfielder and be effective at it?

I really think he can and will be given the chance

He's a player who's at his best running from deep, nowhere near to being a holding midfielder, I'm grimacing at the thought tbh.

 

[SATA]

So nothing is going to happen today?

 

[Siorac]

Can't Anderson, Carrick and Fletcher all control a midfield? I don't think we'd run into too many problems with having the option of the following formations (to name but three):

Carrick
Sneijder
Rooney Berbatov

Anderson Sneijder
Rooney
Hernandez

Carrick Fletcher
Sneijder
Rooney​

Precisely, people seem to think we only ever play one formation and never alter that. Which couldn't be further from the truth.

Sneijder would give us options, would make a potential 4-5-1 much more creative and dangerous than the players we have for that now. It's not set in stone that we have to play bloody 4-4-2 all the fecking time and even when we do, if Giggs could make it work then, in theory, Sneijder should be able to do it, too.

 

[Jonno]

I was at the dublin super cup on saturday, when sneijder came over to sign autographs for the celtic fans a load of city fans ran over to him telling him to feck off and starting to kiss their badge, he asked them why they were doing it with a big smeark on his face.

Haha... interesting read. Clearly he is very aware of what is happening, I think more is going on behind the scenes in this deal than the media and fans know!

 

[Siorac]

You wouldn't trust Carrick who plays in a very similar style to Scholes and was 1st choice ahead of Scholes last season even, to play the Scholes role yet you would Sneijder who has never played a role anything like that before?

Giggs was first choice ahead of Scholes during the run-in; Carrick had a very different role than what Scholes played.

 

[phelans shorts]

Giggs was first choice ahead of Scholes during the run-in; Carrick had a very different role than what Scholes played.

Giggs played in an even more different role than Scholes ever does, one that is much more comparable to Anderson or Fletcher than to Scholes.

If anything Giggs displaced Anderson while Fletcher was ill.

 

[Siorac]

Giggs played in an even more different role than Scholes ever does, one that is much more comparable to Anderson or Fletcher than to Scholes.

If anything Giggs displaced Anderson while Fletcher was ill.

Well, yes, I was a bit simplistic but basically, in that midfield two Carrick provided the stability and the screening of the back four while Giggs' job was to supply creativity. It was roughly the same with the Carrick-Scholes pairing though of course Scholes' adaptation of the role is a lot different to Giggs'.

I think Carrick is good at what he does: keeping it simple, retaining possession and screening the back four using his positional sense and footballing intelligence. Giving him a bigger responsibility, asking him to take the initiative is not a good idea in my opinion, it's not something he excels at even though he is obviously capable of the occasional brilliant defence-splitting pass.