Wesley Sneijder

[Redfighter]

Well, the pessimists at least have some basis for their opinion: the denial of all parties concerned. Basically everyone who is in any position to know anything denied that a transfer will happen, only the papers are still fueling the rumours.

I'd love Sneijder to come here but I just can't see it happening.

Is that quite blatently ignoring the fact that something is happening however. It's established, regardless of the clubs denials, that discussion have/are taking place. On that basis it is a very possible transfer between the two clubs involved, however, what throws it's possibility into reality is the finances.

In my opinion the only reason this won't happen is if the finances are not right for ourselves, or if Nasri becomes definite possibility. I believe 25-30m on Nasri would obviously represent better value for the club on many levels.

 

[Zarlak]

Well, the pessimists at least have some basis for their opinion: the denial of all parties concerned. Basically everyone who is in any position to know anything denied that a transfer will happen, only the papers are still fueling the rumours.

I'd love Sneijder to come here but I just can't see it happening.

That's the thing though, it hasn't been denied by all parties concerned.

You've got Inter saying we aren't selling him but wink wink if we get the right offer cough cough

You've got Wesley who if memory serves me correctly has said 'I want to honor my contract (as all players say) however if the club decide to sell me I will go.'

Lastly you've got SAF who at one point when asked about Sneijder (again if memory serves me correctly) said 'we will have to see what happens with that' and then at another said 'there's no interest at the moment' saying because he's been in America he hasn't been involved in any transfer business.

So basically a load of dodging, and not giving anything away either way.

 

[charleysurf]

Is that quite blatently ignoring the fact that something is happening however. It's established, regardless of the clubs denials, that discussion have/are taking place. On that basis it is a very possible transfer between the two clubs involved, however, what throws it's possibility into reality is the finances.

In my opinion the only reason this won't happen is if the finances are not right for ourselves, or if Nasri becomes definite possibility. I believe 25-30m on Nasri would obviously represent better value for the club on many levels.

"established" by who? Talksport? Journalist scum?
Christ, anyone who believes every piece of speculation in the press must be a soft touch.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

"established" by who? Talksport? Journalist scum?
Christ, anyone who believes every piece of speculation in the press must be a soft touch.

That's rich, since you decided that we aren't signing him based on the Guardian.

 

[Lynk]

That's rich, since you decided that we aren't signing him based on the Guardian.

Or due to Fergie/the club/inter's statements?

 

[Redfighter]

"established" by who? Talksport? Journalist scum?
Christ, anyone who believes every piece of speculation in the press must be a soft touch.

You know that's a rubbish argument. Sure the press have got hold of this story and want to keep it going because it's a big player and a big club, however they know that the way in which both clubs have talked about the situation, or denied it, that something is happening. There have been some very well regarding journalists and football writers, trustworthy ones, who have spoken about this potential transfer.

Obviously nobody can say it's happening for sure, but both clubs are trying to make it happen, that much must be apparent.

 

[Redfighter]

Or due to Fergie/the club/inter's statements?

Fergie wouldn't sell Madrid a virus, or sell Veron, or change his mind about retiring several years ago. It's all posturing, you must realise that?

 

[Acquire Me]

Don't say it like its not a big thing. I'm sure there is many's a move big & small that broke down because of wage demands.

I agree, it could be a big deal, but what I mean is that I think the interest in Sneijder are for real and that money is now the issue.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Or due to Fergie/the club/inter's statements?

No. Not due to Fergie/the club/inter's statements. Due to The Guardian. Pay attention.

Guardian just tweeted it. That's How I found out that we are not signing Sneijder.

 

[dev1l]

"established" by who? Talksport? Journalist scum?
Christ, anyone who believes every piece of speculation in the press must be a soft touch.

one thing is for sure, that no formal discussions has taken place till now.
However there are some things that we are or almost certain about, namely:
-Inter must sell to balance their books and sneijder is one of their most saleable players, also because he might not fit in the new coach system.

- people close to saf have publicly praised sneijder

- his national team coach has advised sneijder to join us, stating his game will benefit as our style is closer to holland's than inter's.

On the other hand the transfer fee and his wages are a major stumbling block. My impression is that the transfer is the biggest issue. In the last few years inter have emerged to be very hard negotiators - the eto/ibrahimovic transfer is a case in point. And i simply cannot see us paying 35m sterling. So i think that will be the major issue, apart any other tactical concerns.

 

[Amir]

I am quite sure something is going on, simply because something has to be going on somewhere with us and a midfield player. All due respect to Jones and Young, Fergie must have known we needed an addition in midfield even before Scholes retired and certainly afterwards. It was a close second behind a goalkeeper in terms of what we need.

So I have no doubt he has already made clear what his targets are. I think it's quite likely it's a pretty big name, simply because we've been able to do a lot of our lower level deals (De Gea and Young, Jones and Smalling, Nani and Anderson, Hernandez, etc) quite comfortably. Doesn't look like whoever we want to sign is a name like that. The bigger names take longer to make deals for - unless you step in throwing money like Real or City - so it's quite likely we checked the prices and are waiting for one of the sides, if not both, to lower their demands. Cat and mouse stuff.

 

[Acquire Me]

The interest is real, no doubt about it. Will it happen, thats for us to wait and find out..

 

[Kelvin]

Stankovic bets on Sneijder stay

Inter Milan midfielder Dejan Stankovic is confident Wesley Sneijder will stay at the club and not join Manchester United.

Sneijder continues to be linked with a move to United, despite claims from United boss Sir Alex Ferguson last week that he was not that interested in the Dutchman.

It is believed United have lined up Sneijder as the ideal replacement for the retired Paul Scholes.

However, Stankovic is so sure Sneijder will remain at the San Siro he claims he will bet 'a pizza and a beer' that he will go nowhere.

"I bet a pizza and a beer that Wes doesn't go away," Stankovic told Sky Italia.

"In a couple of days you'll see that Wes will take the microphone and say that he will remain with us at 100 per cent".

Stankovic also praised new team-mate Ricky Alvarez following his arrival from Velez Sarsfield.

"I honestly didn't know him, but in these early days the boy has shown so much of him.

"He has talent and I am convinced that he will give a big hand in this season."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12876_7044881,00.html

its over then lol.

 

[An Irish Red]

However, Stankovic is so sure Sneijder will remain at the San Siro he claims he will bet 'a pizza and a beer' that he will go nowhere.

"I bet a pizza and a beer that Wes doesn't go away," Stankovic told Sky Italia.

The mans a millionnaire and he only bets a pizza and a beer?

That's the equivalent of me betting a penny chew on something, his hearts obviously not in that bet.

Which means Sneijder is coming obviously..

 

[Red Hand Devil]

This is gettin like the Sanchez thread...

 

[Chirag]

I don't know why everyone is so adamant on this specific transfer going through.. There are other player who would be better suited, Better priced (Yes Value) and of a lower age and that have more hunger..

Don't get me wrong.. I would be delighted if we signed him.. But I wouldn't think it would make the best sense to do so in the long term..

 

[Amir]

Don't get me wrong.. I would be delighted if we signed him.. But I wouldn't think it would make the best sense to do so in the long term..

Question is, what is long term? If Sneijder sets us for 4-5 years, I'll be delighted.

 

[Chirag]

Question is, what is long term? If Sneijder sets us for 4-5 years, I'll be delighted.

But where is the long term value in that? We would be paying him around 200k for say 4 years? i.e a little under 10M GBP and he would command a transfer fee of atleast 35M GBP.. So a grand total of 45M GBP over 4 years..

Are you sure it would be economically wise to spend around 11M GBP for the next 4-5 years on 1 player? Even if we do look to sell him on or extend his contract further we will still be spending around 9 for every season that he is with us..

 

[Kelvin]

The interest is real, no doubt about it. Will it happen, thats for us to wait and find out..

His father confirm it too.


Sneijder's father, however, doubts whether a deal will go through as he knows his son has a long-term contract with Inter

"We are aware of the interest of United but we want to act very properly towards Inter Milan," said Barry Sneijder.

"Let's not forget that Inter gave Wesley a brand new five-year contract last year - a very good contract.

"Also, the boy is enjoying life in Milan."

 

[Zarlak]

But where is the long term value in that? We would be paying him around 200k for say 4 years? i.e a little under 10M GBP and he would command a transfer fee of atleast 35M GBP.. So a grand total of 45M GBP over 4 years..

Are you sure it would be economically wise to spend around 11M GBP for the next 4-5 years on 1 player? Even if we do look to sell him on or extend his contract further we will still be spending around 9 for every season that he is with us..

Of course it is.

People seem to think every player has to play for 10 years to be worth it. It's so silly. At the end of the day, world class players = wages that reflect that. That's all there is to it, it's that simple. Do we want a world class player? Yes? Then we pay for one. Do we want player much below that standard? Then we pay the wages for these players that posters seem to think we should be offering Wesley. 5 years is plenty.

 

[Dion]

If he helps us consistently reach the business end of the Champions League he'll more than pay for himself. I Barca offered us Iniesta for £35m on £200k a week we'd snap him up, he's older than Sneijder.

 

[Amir]

But where is the long term value in that? We would be paying him around 200k for say 4 years? i.e a little under 10M GBP and he would command a transfer fee of atleast 35M GBP.. So a grand total of 45M GBP over 4 years..

Are you sure it would be economically wise to spend around 11M GBP for the next 4-5 years on 1 player? Even if we do look to sell him on or extend his contract further we will still be spending around 9 for every season that he is with us..

Are we a football club or a financial investment? I just don't see why so many of our fans have become like bank managers.

The question should be, will the player make us better. If he settles well and fits into the system, I'd say he'd make us far better. And at 27, he can play for several good years. If he gives us five good years, what the problem there?

No, there's no sell on value. In terms of pure money, it's not a good investment. But we're talking about a football investment, of investing in our football team. In investing in a player we really need.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with us taking 'project' players and improving them. Getting them on the cheap, or cheapish, and raising their value. But the bottom line is surely putting the best team we can on the pitch. We're not Wenger, and I don't think our midfield situation allows for another project. We need a player who is done, realy made, can come in and do the job right away. It will cost money. But sometimes you need to invest in order to compete and I think we've done ever so well in taking 'projects' in other department that we'll be able to make a big, one time, splash when it's needed. That's the difference between us and Arsenal.

 

[Redfighter]

I don't know why everyone is so adamant on this specific transfer going through.. There are other player who would be better suited, Better priced (Yes Value) and of a lower age and that have more hunger..

Don't get me wrong.. I would be delighted if we signed him.. But I wouldn't think it would make the best sense to do so in the long term..

Yes I agree on this. It would be nice to sign a younger player, not a kid, but a 23-24 year old with experience in a major league, international level, but with room to improve. Buying established stars is an expensive business.

I still wouldn't mind Hamsik or Theo Janssen (although he's 29 and would be a stop gap signing, ohh and he's just joined Ajax )

 

[kietotheworld]

I'm not sure resale value is taken into account as much as people think. When we sign a player, whether he's 20 or 30, we only get him for a maximum of 5 years. Sure, we can offer them a new contract, but they're not going to accept it unless they have a reasonably big increase in terms, because if they wait it out other clubs will offer them the same wages + a proportion of the transfer fee they would have paid to us.

 

[Chirag]

Of course it is.

People seem to think every player has to play for 10 years to be worth it. It's so silly. At the end of the day, world class players = wages that reflect that. That's all there is to it, it's that simple. Do we want a world class player? Yes? Then we pay for one. Do we want player much below that standard? Then we pay the wages for these players that posters seem to think we should be offering Wesley. 5 years is plenty.

There is no value in that.. If you want a World class player do not try to say it is shows economic value.. I repeat again.. I would like to see him at United but if SAF/Gill decide its not an economically valuable deal for them they will simply not pursue it.. However if they feel there is a need to get him in at any cost E.G Rooney, Jones. They will! But one must not fool themselves to say it will be an economically valued purchase!

 

[Zarlak]

There is no value in that.. If you want a World class player do not try to say it is shows economic value.. I repeat again.. I would like to see him at United but if SAF/Gill decide its not an economically valuable deal for them they will simply not pursue it.. However if they feel there is a need to get him in at any cost E.G Rooney, Jones. They will! But one must not fool themselves to say it will be an economically valued purchase!

I didn't say it had economical value. I just said it's quite simple, if you want a Ferrari you pay through the nose, if you want a Skoda you pay low. If you want the best, you pay the best. You can't replace Scholes with a Skoda.

It's fine to not buy 11 superstars and bankrupt yourself, but you have to apply common sense and spend where you need to.

 

[Zen86]

Why are people obsessing about his age, we're not Arsenal. The reason we've been so successful for so long is because we've had a nice balance between youth and experience and at the moment we have a young squad.

 

[Redfighter]

Why are people obsessing about his age, we're not Arsenal. The reason we've been so successful for so long is because we've had a nice balance between youth and experience and at the moment we have a young squad.

It's another good reason to assume that Sneijder is the preferred option. Losing VDS, Neville, Scholes from the dressing room is not to be underestimated. One of Arsenals reasons for failure is that the younger players can't cope with the pressure. Cesc is their captain and he's no leader. We have plenty of experience left however, Rio, Vidic, Fletcher, Carrick, Giggs, Park, Rooney, Berbatov, Owen, so I don't think it's essential. But it would help.

 

[wr8_utd]

Hopefully Sneijder starts and waves goodbye again

 

[Kelvin]

There is no value in that.. If you want a World class player do not try to say it is shows economic value.. I repeat again.. I would like to see him at United but if SAF/Gill decide its not an economically valuable deal for them they will simply not pursue it.. However if they feel there is a need to get him in at any cost E.G Rooney, Jones. They will! But one must not fool themselves to say it will be an economically valued purchase!

why are you so obsessed with us selling players for a higher fee after we signed them?...

You think Fergie really want to sell Ronaldo for 80m?

 

[Mr Anderson]

Transfer values arent the be all and end all. If you sign a player and he does a good job and is a regular starter and contributer, then it is money well spent. We are not a selling club as such in that respects.

 

[Redfighter]

Transfer values arent the be all and end all. If you sign a player and he does a good job and is a regular starter and contributer, then it is money well spent. We are not a selling club as such in that respects.

I'm not bothered by the transfer fee, but I feel that signing a player on stupid wages could cause problems for the club and unrest amongst current senior earners.

It's sad, but true.

 

[Mr Anderson]

I'm not bothered by the transfer fee, but I feel that signing a player on stupid wages could cause problems for the club and unrest amongst current senior earners.

It's sad, but true.

Well we broke the trend with Rooney's contract, there would be already unrest about that in the squad if people take offense to it. Not saying I agree with it, jsut accepting it is taking place.

 

[Bread]

His father confirm it too.


Sneijder's father, however, doubts whether a deal will go through as he knows his son has a long-term contract with Inter

"We are aware of the interest of United but we want to act very properly towards Inter Milan," said Barry Sneijder.

"Let's not forget that Inter gave Wesley a brand new five-year contract last year - a very good contract.

"Also, the boy is enjoying life in Milan."

Is his dad Harry Redknapp?!?

 

[Unam333]

Well we broke the trend with Rooney's contract, there would be already unrest about that in the squad if people take offense to it. Not saying I agree with it, jsut accepting it is taking place.

United would never offer a new guy higher wages than Rooney. We're not Real or Citeh. Only two players would get paid more than Rooney at United.

 

[wr8_utd]

Carlo Garganese
#Sneijder just scored for #Inter in friendly vs Mezzocorona. 25 mins in. Running the game in midfield, transfer talk not affecting him here

 

[Redfighter]

Well we broke the trend with Rooney's contract, there would be already unrest about that in the squad if people take offense to it. Not saying I agree with it, jsut accepting it is taking place.

Sadly yes, but I really don't want to become that club. I feel that may be at the crux of this transfer. United wanting a player but trying hard to stay within the framework they have set for many seasons. Sneijders wages eclipse Rooneys with some suggesting he wants £250-280k pw.

 

[wr8_utd]

Alvarez just scored from a great corner from our Wesley

The replacement is doing well. 4-0 Inter

 

[wr8_utd]

Sneijder is just ambling down the right wing without much enthusiasm. His heart is clearly not in it.

And the commentator just mentioned Manchester United

 

[Mr Anderson]

United would never offer a new guy higher wages than Rooney. We're not Real or Citeh. Only two players would get paid more than Rooney at United.

We dont even know what money Wesley would want, I'm just saying that there is room for negotiations, and it may or may not be close to Rooneys rumored 200k+