weastey..(vicente)

Yep, I've seen him play a couple of times - mainly plays down the left. He's got a lot of potential, fast, good dribbling skills, but he is even rawer than Joaquin - both are 21/22 I think.

Again though, he wouldn't be expensive. I can't believe United haven't sent scouts to look at both him and Joaquin, especially since rumours are flying about that he is not happy at Betis.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>he's keeping Kily out of the team isn't he?

we we need a left and right winger.....both he and Joaquin would be perfect.</strong><hr></blockquote>

He is, but Kily isn't Benitez's favourite, but still he is a very good little player.

I think that we should at least have a go at one of them. Both would be far cheaper than Duff. But could they adapt as quick as Duff? I think so, they are still young and not set in their ways. I think Joaquin will be off to Real though, as they need to start looking for a replacement for Figo.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>

He is, but Kily isn't Benitez's favourite, but still he is a very good little player.

I think that we should at least have a go at one of them. Both would be far cheaper than Duff. But could they adapt as quick as Duff? I think so, they are still young and not set in their ways. I think Joaquin will be off to Real though, as they need to start looking for a replacement for Figo.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i think they would adapt.. i think its playmakers who struggle, wingers don't have the same problems...


do you think bicente's better than duff?


and i've also heard that Joaquins off to Real, shame if true.


kinell, Real are also 5th in their league.
:eek:
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

i think they would adapt.. i think its playmakers who struggle, wingers don't have the same problems...


do you think bicente's better than duff?


and i've also heard that Joaquins off to Real, shame if true.


kinell, Real are also 5th in their league.
:eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Better than Duff? Not yet no, but in the future he could be, but not as flexible as Duff either in that Duff can (not saying it's the best thing to do) play on both wings quite effectively and as a striker.

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Real, yep, Saturday was the first game they won in 8 I think! Even that was only a naorrow 3-2 with Figo scoring on 90.
 
<a href="http://msn.skysports.planetfootball.com/article.asp?article=118273&lid=558" target="_blank">An English Team have contacted him</a>

I really do hope that it is us.
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>

Better than Duff? Not yet no, but in the future he could be, but not as flexible as Duff either in that Duff can (not saying it's the best thing to do) play on both wings quite effectively and as a striker.

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Real, yep, Saturday was the first game they won in 8 I think! Even that was only a naorrow 3-2 with Figo scoring on 90.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Heard Ronaldo and Figo scored excellent goals.


Duff: TBH i don't think it matters if he's flexible or not, as long as he can do a top job down the left wing...
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong><a href="http://msn.skysports.planetfootball.com/article.asp?article=118273&lid=558" target="_blank">An English Team have contacted him</a>

I really do hope that it is us.</strong><hr></blockquote>

could be liverpool n'all....


hope not.
 
I've seen a bit of Vicente and Joaquin. In fact I remember Weaste and I having a discussion on those two a while ago in the transfer forum. Joaquin is top-drawer. I'd prefer Duff over Vicente though.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>


Heard Ronaldo and Figo scored excellent goals. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, Ronny's was his first for a month. :eek: Figo's was absolute class. Last-minute, it was 2-2, and Real had a free-kick quite near the area, just right of centre I think, and Figo just curled it into the keeper's right hand corner.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>

Yeah, Ronny's was his first for a month. :eek: Figo's was absolute class. Last-minute, it was 2-2, and Real had a free-kick quite near the area, just right of centre I think, and Figo just curled it into the keeper's right hand corner.</strong><hr></blockquote>

kinell..

so what was Ronny's like?
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

kinell..

so what was Ronny's like?</strong><hr></blockquote>

ball played in to his path on the right side just inside the area and lashed a fantastic finish inside the keepers near post. You would expect the keeper to narrow the angle for shots like that so the striker would have to shoot it across his body, but it was too powerful. Carlos also scored in that game. Seems like they may be hitting top form, but they definately look like they have problems defensively.
 
There's an <a href="http://www.as.com/articulo.html?d_date=20021111&xref=20021108dasdai_69&type=Tes&anchor=dasftbA05" target="_blank">article</a> here with Joaqúin talking about what he thinks about Vicente.

Interesting.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>

ball played in to his path on the right side just inside the area and lashed a fantastic finish inside the keepers near post. You would expect the keeper to narrow the angle for shots like that so the striker would have to shoot it across his body, but it was too powerful. Carlos also scored in that game. Seems like they may be hitting top form, but they definately look like they have problems defensively.</strong><hr></blockquote>

well... i've not been that impressed with them this season, altho ZZ has been top, in the games i've seen..


last year, leverkusen should have beat them in final... and they've struggled in the CL this season....
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>There's an <a href="http://www.as.com/articulo.html?d_date=20021111&xref=20021108dasdai_69&type=Tes&anchor=dasftbA05" target="_blank">article</a> here with Joaqúin talking about what he thinks about Vicente.

Interesting.</strong><hr></blockquote>

weastey,

its in Spanish.


you'll have to translate ;)
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>

ball played in to his path on the right side just inside the area and lashed a fantastic finish inside the keepers near post. You would expect the keeper to narrow the angle for shots like that so the striker would have to shoot it across his body, but it was too powerful. Carlos also scored in that game. Seems like they may be hitting top form, but they definately look like they have problems defensively.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Who's the weak point in their defence?
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>

weastey,

its in Spanish.


you'll have to translate ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I thought that you were a regular user of Babelfish? ;)
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Who's the weak point in their defence?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Neil, there central defence is a sham, and their left back is normally in the opposition's half.

Don't you find it strange that with their attack, they have only won one out of their last eight games, and lost nine of their last ten aways games last season?

Or is their attack shite like ours?

And how many did AEK put past them?
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>

Neil, there central defence is a sham, and their left back is normally in the opposition's half.

Don't you find it strange that with their attack, they have only won one out of their last eight games, and lost nine of their last ten aways games last season?

Or is their attack shite like ours?

And how many did AEK put past them?</strong><hr></blockquote>

who have they got at the back?


how has hierro faired this season?
 
Originally posted by WeasteDevil:
<strong>

Neil, there central defence is a sham, and their left back is normally in the opposition's half.

Don't you find it strange that with their attack, they have only won one out of their last eight games, and lost nine of their last ten aways games last season?

Or is their attack shite like ours?

And how many did AEK put past them?</strong><hr></blockquote>
I remember thinking Pavon was shit, but I guess their back two is Hierro and Helguera - or am I mistaken?
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Who's the weak point in their defence?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It like ours... we have the players and at times it looks sound but then they have a tendency to lose their marbles for a minute or two and throw it away.
 
out of the topic, but anyway.

i think mark bain is getting quite lonely with his editorial rarely commented by us posters.. any thoughts?
 
to go along with this thread,

somehow i feel United would do much better with English bred type player.. someone like Joe Cole would fit nicely in the plan..

too bad the english teams charge heavily for their stars - even when they're unhappy... hmm, the price i guess we have to pay for being the big club.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Who's the weak point in their defence?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Salgado. He's had regular stinkers when dealing with pacey wingers. Hey, it rhymes! :D
 
I think that Real's problem is that they have to many players that want the ball all the time. Figo, Zidane, Carlos, Ronaldo and Raul are all better with the ball than without. Sure, if it's a Champions League Final they won't care but I can see all of them getting not really caring if they don't get the ball as much as they would like. Esp. when playing mediocre teams away.

Was it really the manager that bought Ronaldo?

I don't see Ronaldo and Raul as ideal partners. Not by a long shot. Raul with a striker like Crespo, Shevchenko or van Nistelrooy would be amazing IMO. Ronaldo too would be better suited to play with some one like one of those.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>to go along with this thread,

somehow i feel United would do much better with English bred type player.. someone like Joe Cole would fit nicely in the plan..

too bad the english teams charge heavily for their stars - even when they're unhappy... hmm, the price i guess we have to pay for being the big club.</strong><hr></blockquote>Joe Cole is shit. Wouldnt make it ahead of Scholes, Keane or Butt. My guess is he'll still be at West Ham in five years time, having failed to deal with the hype. Joaquin is already better than him.
 
Originally posted by antohan:
<strong>

Salgado. He's had regular stinkers when dealing with pacey wingers. Hey, it rhymes! :D </strong><hr></blockquote>

i never thought Real had solid defence anyhow.. it's always been their attacking force rescuing them in Europe.. very stronghold in midfield.. but in the Spanish league they have been exposed for a couple of seasons in a row now.. pity.. with such stars in the team..
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>Joe Cole is shit. Wouldnt make it ahead of Scholes, Keane or Butt. My guess is he'll still be at West Ham in five years time, having failed to deal with the hype. Joaquin is already better than him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

really? but cole is still very young though.. becks and scholes showed just about the same talent when they were his age.. i think it's the players surrounding him that's not allowing him to go the length with his potential.. one player can't make the whole team better.

fit him with our set of midfield and allow him some room to play his game, he maybe our answer to Giggs.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
I remember thinking Pavon was shit, but I guess their back two is Hierro and Helguera - or am I mistaken?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, that's the normal two!
 
They're looking for a defensive midfielder aren't they? Obviously ZZ wants Vieira beside them, but I don't think he's going to get what he wants - and they'd be better off getting some decent defenders first.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>
It like ours... we have the players and at times it looks sound but then they have a tendency to lose their marbles for a minute or two and throw it away.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed. However, the similarity of a Keano-less United and a Luis Henrique-less Barca is uncanny.

I was watching them against Villarreal (who were robbed by the ref) and caught myself thinking: "Why on earth do they have so many midifield creators and just one striker?". Ooops! It sounded terribly familiar.

First half was forgettable. With 20 minutes to go Saviola came on (to make it 4-4-2 some would say) and they won 1-0 from a penalty.

They too, have done very well in the CL so far.
 
plus glenn roeder is shit IMO.. had he been with someone like David Moyes then i think he would make it like Rooney is..

imagine rooney and cole in the same team with a good manager like moyes or McClaren.. i think they could be a real force.. all three of 'em at United. rooney can partner ruud.. will compliment ruud quite nicely IMO.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>

really? but cole is still very young though.. becks and scholes showed just about the same talent when they were his age.. i think it's the players surrounding him that's not allowing him to go the length with his potential.. one player can't make the whole team better.

fit him with our set of midfield and allow him some room to play his game, he maybe our answer to Giggs.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Trust me, having watched him for a few years now I dont think he could do it for a bigger club. As someone nicely put it on this site a while back, he is pure eye-candy. We dont need his type. If we get a young midfielder (which isnt top of our list but if we sell Veron it could be) we should go for D'allesandro or Joaquin. Those two put Cole in the shade.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>plus glenn roeder is shit IMO.. had he been with someone like David Moyes then i think he would make it like Rooney is..

imagine rooney and cole in the same team with a good manager like moyes or McClaren.. i think they could be a real force.. all three of 'em at United. rooney can partner ruud.. will compliment ruud quite nicely IMO.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Rooney won't be going anywhere for a long while yet, if ever.
 
Originally posted by Gazza:
<strong>
Trust me, having watched him for a few years now I dont think he could do it for a bigger club. As someone nicely put it on this site a while back, he is pure eye-candy. We dont need his type. If we get a young midfielder (which isnt top of our list but if we sell Veron it could be) we should go for D'allesandro or Joaquin. Those two put Cole in the shade.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i guess i would have to agree with that with so many people saying joaquin is a great player..

but d'allesandro.. has anyone seen him for real? will he be another 'just a potential' like forlan? we need a quick fix IMO.
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>to go along with this thread,

somehow i feel United would do much better with English bred type player.. someone like Joe Cole would fit nicely in the plan..

too bad the english teams charge heavily for their stars - even when they're unhappy... hmm, the price i guess we have to pay for being the big club.</strong><hr></blockquote>

joe cole... even the west ham fans are moaning about him... he's all style and no substance.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>
Rooney won't be going anywhere for a long while yet, if ever.</strong><hr></blockquote>

that's the impression i got too.. esp if moyes continues his good work.. he will leave a big impression on rooney.. perhaps rooney would be another rio? :D
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>They're looking for a defensive midfielder aren't they? Obviously ZZ wants Vieira beside them, but I don't think he's going to get what he wants - and they'd be better off getting some decent defenders first.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Look what they've got:

Fernando Hierro - 1968 (34) Old and slow
Roberto Carlos - 1973 (29) Always up field
Iván Helguera - 1975 (27) Solid but really a midfielder
Míchel Salgado - 1975 (27) Too slow
Francisco Pavón - 1980 (22) Crap
Oscar Miñambres - 1981 (21) Never seen
Raúl Bravo - 1981 (21) Never seen
Rubén González - 1982 (20) Too young