Do you truly think that is good enough for United?
The same club which have had Vidic, Ferdinand, Stam, Pallister and Bruce?
We will sign 7 players minimum this Summer
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Do you truly think that is good enough for United?
The same club which have had Vidic, Ferdinand, Stam, Pallister and Bruce?
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Them to I guess
. I just think if Van Gaal came here, the youth isn't to the standard, to what he as put through. So I can't see this massive push on giving youth a chanceI think we need five or six and I'll be disappointed if we don't sign that many players this window, despite having a quality manager like van Gaal.
Seven as a minimum seems unnecessary to me however. What positions?
My preference would be;
An experienced, ball-playing centre back to compete with Smalling, Jones and Evans at CB.
A versatile and reliable fullback in the mould of Sagna or Ivanovic who can cover numerous positions and still perform to a high level.
A quality young left back who can tie down a first team berth for five years minimum and provide a great attacking outlet down the left.
Two central midfielders. One robust, physical and defensively sound midfielder in the form of Carvalho and the other a creative, mobile with good off the ball movement.
Finally, a goal-scoring winger/wide forward who makes intelligent, pentrative runs beyond the defence and who will contribute 10-20 goals a season like Reus/Pedro/Griezmann.
Seven as a minimum seems unnecessary to me however. What positions?
My preference would be;
An experienced, ball-playing centre back to compete with Smalling, Jones and Evans at CB.
A versatile and reliable fullback in the mould of Sagna or Ivanovic who can cover numerous positions and still perform to a high level.
A quality young left back who can tie down a first team berth for five years minimum and provide a great attacking outlet down the left.
Two central midfielders. One robust, physical and defensively sound midfielder in the form of Carvalho and the other a creative, mobile with good off the ball movement.
Finally, a goal-scoring winger/wide forward who makes intelligent, pentrative runs beyond the defence and who will contribute 10-20 goals a season like Reus/Pedro/Griezmann.
For me 2 is the absolute minimum, if we get 2 top class CM's it would see improvements in both the forward line and defense IMO.
I also get the feeling we might well buy a top CB, personally I want us to try a partnership with the CB's we have but the general view seems to be that all 3 need a leader alongside them and a new manager may well want his own rock brought in.
I also think a LB will be a certainty but I hope Evra stays on as whoever we get seems like they'll be young and could benefit from an experienced LB to learn from.
So that would be 4 as long as we don't foolishly only buy 1 CM and pretend Cleverley and Fellaini are good enough to be long term starters for us.
I'd like a pacey wide forward brought in as well but we have so much dead weight in those roles already that it may take a season to sell them off before we can buy.
I also get the feeling we might well buy a top CB, personally I want us to try a partnership with the CB's we have but the general view seems to be that all 3 need a leader alongside them and a new manager may well want his own rock brought in.
I also think a LB will be a certainty but I hope Evra stays on as whoever we get seems like they'll be young and could benefit from an experienced LB to learn from.
So that would be 4 as long as we don't foolishly only buy 1 CM and pretend Cleverley and Fellaini are good enough to be long term starters for us.
I'd like a pacey wide forward brought in as well but we have so much dead weight in those roles already that it may take a season to sell them off before we can buy.
I think 1 LB and 1 CM would be more beneficial than 2 CMs to be honest. If Evra plays anything like he has this season then we will continue to leak goals we can't afford to. That being said we should no doubt buy all 3 + more if possible.
You revised it to 10 yesterday ffs!
3 first team players, 2 squad members. There won't be a huge makeover now that moyes is gone, thankfully. Huge changes is never what a team needs and it never works.
Might as well change your name now.
If we sign Messi and Ronaldo for 200m each, our share price will probably rise by around 500m right?
Profit.
Profit.
I feel that if we had two top CM's who have mobility and can really cover ground then Evra would be less exposed and we'd see less mistakes from him and the defense as a whole, we are too often exposed by pace running at us from midfield.
That was a minimum signings in term of my opinion.
That's why I said (in bold):
If you are looking at Bayern. I don't think Boateng and Dante are better than Smalling and Evans. And Jones isn't mmuch different with them as well.
Take it it's just 7 new players and not including players renewing their contracts
1 top CM
1 top CB
1 top LB
2 young/unknown CM
1 young/unknown CB
1 winger of some description.
7, including only 3 "top" players. Thats how I see it.
1 top CB
1 top LB
2 young/unknown CM
1 young/unknown CB
1 winger of some description.
7, including only 3 "top" players. Thats how I see it.
All of that in this summer window?
Not a chance. Fair enough we will want to add in those areas but not all at once. We will probably make 3-4 signings this summer, maybe 1 in Jan if we get some injuries. The rest can be built on slowly over the next 2-3 years.
Not an outrageous claim till you said that players like Varane count which I assumed means youth prospects (at the time be signed for Real)?
If we are to sign 7 players, I agree with what rcoobc said that at least half of them will be young promising players rather than established expensive names.
If we are to sign 7 players, I agree with what rcoobc said that at least half of them will be young promising players rather than established expensive names.
I dunno, maybe.
When we sold Ronaldo we "only" replaced him with Valencia, but already had Nani. When we lost Van Der Sar we signed De Gea and Lindegaard (previously). When we lost Keane we signed no one. When we lost Van Nistelrooy we signed Tevez and that's pretty much it.
Sorry buddy, I didn't see the part about a CB.
As for Evans and Smalling are similar/better than Dante and Boateng, well... I will leave it there
I don't think I ever said Evans and Smalling are better than Dante and Boateng though. So you could say similar without better.
If we sign more than 4 first team players this year I will call you my daddy.No chance it will happen.This is not Football Manager you know.
They way you worded it I didn't know if you meant better or similar, so I put both to cover my back
I don't think we have a bad pairing, I just don't think it's up there with the better pairings in the prem, and certainly not in Europe at the moment. (I also think Dante and Boateng is a much better pairing to be honest)
We have been very lucky to have a solid pairing of Vidic and Ferdinand, but that is over, and in the summer, I fully expect both to go.
There are players out there, who will be available, who will be a better improvement on the team, than what we have, and we need to move forward, so getting better CBs for me is a priority along with the midfield this season.
City have Kompany and Nastastic, which is a much better pairing than we have, but are still willing to go for Mangala. That just shows a team that want to keep improving.
I know you said if we go for another CB, then great, but it also seems if we didn't, it wouldn't be a big deal. To me, it would be.
They way you worded it I didn't know if you meant better or similar, so I put both to cover my back
I don't think we have a bad pairing, I just don't think it's up there with the better pairings in the prem, and certainly not in Europe at the moment. (I also think Dante and Boateng is a much better pairing to be honest)
We have been very lucky to have a solid pairing of Vidic and Ferdinand, but that is over, and in the summer, I fully expect both to go.
There are players out there, who will be available, who will be a better improvement on the team, than what we have, and we need to move forward, so getting better CBs for me is a priority along with the midfield this season.
City have Kompany and Nastastic, which is a much better pairing than we have, but are still willing to go for Mangala. That just shows a team that want to keep improving.
I know you said if we go for another CB, then great, but it also seems if we didn't, it wouldn't be a big deal. To me, it would be.
Well, if we play Smalling and Evans more together I think they will be amazing partnership. One is quick like Dante. And One is really calm, good with ball and pass like Hummels. I would like to see one or two players to stay like Rio as a senior veteran player who has a leadership mentality. If Evra, Vidic and Rio gone then we only have Giggs and we don't know if he's going to be a player or no next season. I don't actually trust Rooney as our leadership.
What's the point for having quality centre backs but never play two of them together. One or two of them always play as a right back. Even funnier thing is Smalling plays more as a right back this season than as a centre back.
Would be good to see a new centre back. But to be honest as a minimum requirement, Having 4 quality centre back aren't a good idea. We need to play 2 of them together more often.
Varela, yes.
but I will enjoy bumping this is the coming months
but I will enjoy bumping this is the coming months
I would be shocked to see this happen.
If we buy all these players without Europe and then fail to get into Europe don't we run the risk of doing a Leeds?
We don't need 25 top class players next season. There's no CL to give them all games. A squad of 21 (+kids) should do for the league and domestic cups.
I like where your head is at, but we can't buy Flintoff from cricket, as he has already retired.
It seems people expect us to make enough signings in order to create a 'perfect team'. Well, no team is perfect. We don't have the money for that kind of a spree and Spurs will tell you just how unhealthy it is to make so many changes.
I expect we'll make three or four signings. That will leave some holes, but hopefully Van Gaal - if he gets the job - will again show his ability to find solutions within the squad, like at backup right back. I honestly believe we have players capable for more if they are just coached well.
I expect we'll make three or four signings. That will leave some holes, but hopefully Van Gaal - if he gets the job - will again show his ability to find solutions within the squad, like at backup right back. I honestly believe we have players capable for more if they are just coached well.
7 First team players? Really? So if 7 came in, who would be the current first teamers in our team in your opinion to stay? Because in my opinion you can only really have a maximum of 14-15 "First teamers" then the rest are surely squad players?
Four absolute world class players plus few elite young talents in vein of Shaw, Carvalho, Bakkali, Shaqiri, maybe even Barkley should set true United's standard back to Old Trafford.
Vidic is already gone so we may think about bringing someone there too and with so much talk about Young, Ando and Rio leaving at some point, seven may be just possible with bit of luck and strong authority on the market from the new manager.
A lot is in hands of Wooden Ed so it may be a bit of rollercoaster...
Vidic is already gone so we may think about bringing someone there too and with so much talk about Young, Ando and Rio leaving at some point, seven may be just possible with bit of luck and strong authority on the market from the new manager.
A lot is in hands of Wooden Ed so it may be a bit of rollercoaster...
I agree with you re-Smalling and Evans but if we are keeping anyone for leadership then it has to be Evra . I say Evra because (a) I am not comfortable with the idea of having two new leftbacks or with having Buttner playa meaningful role such as first change lb, he has to go and (b) you can actually rely on Evra to play a substantial number of matches during an injury crisis whereas Rio looks like he is through at this level and I'd dread having to play him for a run of games, next year, when he is a year older .
For the defence I would promote Varela to back up rightback, sign an established leftback and ball playing central defender and look to use Jones as an emergency rightback option . My defence roster would look like this :
Rafael
Varela
Evra
Shaw
Smalling
Evans
Jones
New signing .
Giving the team new options and having Jones floating between Rightback and Centreback .
In midfield it's clear as day, we need to get rid of Cleverley/Fellaini, Anderson and then retire Giggs . We then sign two midfield players, one creative/box to box and a DM, Carrick and Fletcher alongside whoever survives between Fellaini and Cleverley will then make up the squad .
Upfront I want a prolific right sided attacker/winger with skill and pace . If Aexis Sanchez was ever put up for sale then I will be interested . On who to sacrifice then it will be easy Nani ( one of my favourite players but it hasn't happened for him for two years now) and Young, Valencia gets a stay in execution but just because we wouldn't want to have a completely new set of wingers . So Januzaj,new signing and Valencia and this is premised on the assumption that Rooney plays the majority of his games as an inside left forward .
That makes it five new players at most .
How much is that costing?
What are you afraid of... that we'll finally have depth and quality to win the double ?All of that in one summer?
In reality, we'll probably settle for maybe five but if all our targets will be keen to join us, we may see a solid bunch of awesome players.
Probably the money we've been saving for so many past seasons, while signing players for maximum 30 millions.
I'm not afraid of anything but signing that many players in one window would be absolute madness, never going to happen and it wouldn't be beneficial.What are you afraid of... that we'll finally have depth and quality to win the double ?
In reality, we'll probably settle for maybe five but if all our targets will be keen to join us, we may see a solid bunch of awesome players.
"Four absolute world class players plus few elite young talents in vein of Shaw, Carvalho, Bakkali, Shaqiri,"
So those four world class players, lets say the likes of Vidal/Reus etc? Do you truly expect us to sign them for under 30mil? I don't know whats more unrealistic... Getting those prices for less than 30mil or your original comment.
The young Elite talents over Shaw, Barkley and Carvalho are all reported at a cost of about 30m. How much are the absolute world class players going to cost? Do you really think we'd spend 200m+ in one summer?
... and I agree with you but I'm just not denying the possibility.
Some in summer and perhaps some in winter. I know it's not very probable but surely not impossible.
Mata is a good step in the direction and surely we shouldn't feel bad for throwing bigger money, especially when you know our opponents may make some epic deals this summer.