We need a new striker

Bojan11 said:
Van Persie offside always.

Falcao always slipping. Need to sign a young striker.
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Van Persie is offside all the time because the midfield take an age to play him in.

99% of strikers would struggle in this system.
 
Sandikan said:
How many might Rooney have got if he hadn't been shunted into midfield for so many many games.
The spell behind Falcao/VP, and that woeful deep mid role.

Would deffo have got 20+
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Rooney's goal scoring record as a striker is woefull this season. Think he has 4 goals in 14 starts as a striker.
 
Still think a striker is the last priority for us; we've got a right back, center midfielder (possibly two) and a center back before we should consider delving in for strikers.

Rooney, Chicharito, Wilson would be good enough if Chicharito wants to stay as backup, even Van Persie would be a great backup but I don't think he'd be willing to stay as one.
 
Dybala is a Juventus player, which is good cause i never rated him, i think we should sign Benteke and Vietto.
 
A striker is actually our top priority, aside from sorting out De Gea.
 
Gannicus said:
A striker is actually our top priority, aside from sorting out De Gea.
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It's really not. It's behind a centre back, 1 or even 2 centre mids, a right back and potentially a new keeper.

LVG and various players (including Carrick before today's game) have stated that the final phase of the philosophy, is everything clicking in the final third. I'm confident Rooney, RVP and Wilson will be suffice when that happens, and RVP in particular will look like a different man to the one we've seen this season. Similar to the way players like Fellaini and Young have become invaluable since they 'clicked' with the philosophy.
 
I don't think I can ever recall us looking so static and sluggish in the striker position. The thing is how do we get the likes of Muller, Morata, Benzema, Kane etc...?
 
Exactly my sentiment. Many keep saying Rooney has way more to his game than just goals, drops deep and all those things but we need a goalscorer. We don't need our striker to drop deep when we have the likes of Mata, Herrera and next season Memphis and Di Maria in our midfield. We need a proper striker that can scare the shit out of the opponent's back 4.
 
Dump RVP and Falcao. Loan wilson and bring in a proper top draw striker and move to 4-3-3. Kane/muller/lewandowski/benzema someone of that ilk. Let rooney and whoever that striker is fight out for a start, rooney can fill in other blanks around the team, probably playing the 10. and theres bound to be injuries which will guarantee gametime.

in an absolute worst case scenario with bad injuries to both you can have depay/januzaj or maybe di maria(bleh) play uptop.
 
Firstouch20 said:
Van Persie is offside all the time because the midfield take an age to play him in.

99% of strikers would struggle in this system.
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Nah that's too easy a cop-out for me. RVP has been nowhere near mobile enough up there to suggest that he's been making the volume of incisive runs to justify the amount of times he's been caught offside. Yeah, the start of the season may have explained it a bit but Herrera, Mata and Young have all been playing more than well enough to pick a good pass to a forward making space for himself. RVP has just been totally off the pace and far too easy to mark out of a game.

Wilson needs to go back to the reserves or on loan to he honest. Apart from pace he's shown nothing to suggest he's good enough yet, particularly when playing teams that are set up well defensively. I think RVP needs to go to free up the wages to bring in a top-rated young forward.
 
Firstouch20 said:
Rooney's goal scoring record as a striker is woefull this season. Think he has 4 goals in 14 starts as a striker.
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According to whoscored

He has 3 goals in 14 starts in midfield
4 goals in 13 starts as striker
4 goals in 4 starts as attacking midfielder
1 goal in 1 start at forward left.
 
Sied said:
It's really not. It's behind a centre back, 1 or even 2 centre mids, a right back and potentially a new keeper.

LVG and various players (including Carrick before today's game) have stated that the final phase of the philosophy, is everything clicking in the final third. I'm confident Rooney, RVP and Wilson will be suffice when that happens, and RVP in particular will look like a different man to the one we've seen this season. Similar to the way players like Fellaini and Young have become invaluable since they 'clicked' with the philosophy.
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It really is.

Everything in not clicking in the final third. We create few too shots on goal, with or without Rooney. RvP is shot and Wilson hasn't shown enough yet to suggest he's capable of 15 goals next season.

We need to address other areas, of course, but the biggest "hole", if you will, is the absence of a world class 9. Rooney is not that any longer. Look at us today. We dominated possession and had plenty of good possession in the final third, but we had no one to deliver the ball to.
 
We also need a lot of defenders. Jones and Blackett were almost comical
 
Gannicus said:
It really is.

Everything in not clicking in the final third. We create few too shots on goal, with or without Rooney. RvP is shot and Wilson hasn't shown enough yet to suggest he's capable of 15 goals next season.

We need to address other areas, of course, but the biggest "hole", if you will, is the absence of a world class 9. Rooney is not that any longer. Look at us today. We dominated possession and had plenty of good possession in the final third, but we had no one to deliver the ball to.
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I agree that the bolded part is our problem, but I disagree that a new striker is the solution. Next season I expect us to create a lot more opportunities as the players continue to adapt to the philosophy and style of football.

At the minute our sole striker regularly has both centre backs on them and often works in a very isolated role. The build up play is what needs to improve to give the strikers more to feed off. For example I think we look better in the final third when Carrick plays. That isn't because our striker is playing better, it's because the build up play is quicker and more penetrative. I expect that to continue to improve. Especially when we bring more attacking talent in.
 
devilish said:
We also need a lot of defenders. Jones and Blackett were almost comical
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True, but it must be acknowledged that neither are going to be first choice backs next season.

Shaw and any two of Rojo, Hummels and Smalling for sure, a right back to be determined.
 
Gannicus said:
It really is.

Everything in not clicking in the final third. We create few too shots on goal, with or without Rooney. RvP is shot and Wilson hasn't shown enough yet to suggest he's capable of 15 goals next season.

We need to address other areas, of course, but the biggest "hole", if you will, is the absence of a world class 9. Rooney is not that any longer. Look at us today. We dominated possession and had plenty of good possession in the final third, but we had no one to deliver the ball to.
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In order to make chances for forwards they need to be in good positions to receive the ball and this doesn't happen with our forwards. They make no forward runs.
 
Sied said:
I agree that the bolded part is our problem, but I disagree that a new striker is the solution. Next season I expect us to create a lot more opportunities as the players continue to adapt to the philosophy and style of football.

At the minute our sole striker regularly has both centre backs on them and often works in a very isolated role. The build up play is what needs to improve to give the strikers more to feed off. For example I think we look better in the final third when Carrick plays. That isn't because our striker is playing better, it's because the build up play is quicker and more penetrative. I expect that to continue to improve. Especially when we bring more attacking talent in.
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Someone needs to be in a position to and have the ability to convert on chances created. We can't leave it up to Herrera and Fellaini and Rooney. Roo simply isn't a 25 goal scorer any longer. I suppose that's the crux of the issue. If you believe Roo has 25 goals in him, then we're good. But I don't think anyone can deny that's he's lost the explosiveness that he had 5 seasons ago.
 
Gannicus said:
Someone needs to be in a position to and have the ability to convert on chances created. We can't leave it up to Herrera and Fellaini and Rooney. Roo simply isn't a 25 goal scorer any longer. I suppose that's the crux of the issue. If you believe Roo has 25 goals in him, then we're good. But I don't think anyone can deny that's he's lost the explosiveness that he had 5 seasons ago.
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Firstly only Aguero is on 25 this season. Costa on 19 with the champions. Rooney's on 12 in a transitional season that he's spent a lot of time playing in midfield and very little time up top.

Secondly I'm not saying a new striker won't help. Just that it's way down the priority list, and that it certainly won't be an instant solution and we'll start banging them in for fun. I think that'll start to happen gradually and I see no reason why Rooney can't be the man to do it.
 
Firstouch20 said:
Van Persie is offside all the time because the midfield take an age to play him in.

99% of strikers would struggle in this system.
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he doesn't time his runs well, because his pace is gone he tries to beat the trap effectively but it doesn't come off often so we lose the ball so many times because of him being offside, he's lazy pub player who can't press and there starts other problems like we've seen today..

hope he's gone asap, totally useless player, he's just a big name
 
LeftyBlaster said:
One thing lacking across all 3; PACE. Wilson has it, but is clearly lacking in many other departments and is definitely not a lone striker.
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While clearly Wilson isn't ready yet to lead the team on his own(I hope he isn't sent out on loan next season). He pretty much plays as a lone striker for the U21's most of the time. Also I'm not sure where he's lacking in other departments.
 
What I would love to see:

-Falcao goes back to Monaco
-RVP is sold to Fenerbache
-Wilson is loaned out

We bring Hernandez back and give him another shot in the team. The boy has had a season over there at Real Madrid and I think now he'll realise we are not the only club where he ends up on the bench. So either he has to accept the fact he needs to deal with the compeition or has to take a step down. I hope Hernandez stays competitive and would like to accept challenge of trying again with us. Situation is also different no doubt with RVP and Falcao in the team and also certain expectations about Wilson I think Van Gaal could not guarantee him anything but being 4th or 5th choice striker. With those players gone he'd become 2nd or 3th choice again and he'll play alot more with us having the european games again and Rooney probably also playing games from the midfield in certain games. So I'd love to take him on pre season with us and give another chance in the team, if he convinces the coach that he can do a job for us (he is fast and he always has goals in his game so no doubt he can be usefull) than I'd love him to sign a new contract and be one of our new strikers for next season.

Then we sign a new striker in Benteke.

Options for next season:
-Rooney
-Benteke
-Hernandez

Good mix, Rooney is more a CF and can drop back to the midfield so we can play 2 of them but can also play alone on top. Benteke is an ideal target man, fantastic ball control and he is growing to the best form in his career, scores goals easily in the PL so I think he would be an excellent striker for us. Herandez as an alternative that offers speed and tenacity and is a real goal poacher also best performances when he comes off the bench. All 3 of them have goals in them. No doubt you can get 50+ goals from these 3 upfront.
 
Yep think it should be our number one priority in the window. When is the last time one of our strikers scored I can't even remember? Want to see us bring in someone young to compete with Rooney.
 
Sweet Square said:
While clearly Wilson isn't ready yet to lead the team on his own(I hope he isn't sent out on loan next season). He pretty much plays as a lone striker for the U21's most of the time. Also I'm not sure where he's lacking in other departments.
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He has hardly covered himself in glory the first team chances he has had this season though. Like I said earlier in the thread, even Macheda showed more at this stage in his United career. Wilson needs a Premier a League loan and then we can see what level he I'd at because he still has a lot to prove.
 
We definitely need a new striker. Falcao is off, RvP is no longer reliable, and a 30 year old Rooney isn't going to contribute 20 goals any more.
 
I'd definitely be happy if we signed Benteke. I don't consider him an elite finisher, but he offers decent pace, power and aerial ability, and with the amount of crosses we put in the box, it increases our chances of them getting converted
 
Couple of things about Hernandez

1. He wants out and was pretty open about not being happy at status as a sub at United even though that'sr his level

2. Couple of weeks ago he openly talked about wanting to stay at Madrid - he's no interest in carrying on at Old Trafford with comments like that

3. He's a good finisher but there's nothing else to his game - his all round play is poor

I really don't see as any kind of solution to our issue
 
Sied said:
Firstly only Aguero is on 25 this season. Costa on 19 with the champions. Rooney's on 12 in a transitional season that he's spent a lot of time playing in midfield and very little time up top.

Secondly I'm not saying a new striker won't help. Just that it's way down the priority list, and that it certainly won't be an instant solution and we'll start banging them in for fun. I think that'll start to happen gradually and I see no reason why Rooney can't be the man to do it.
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Agreed. But I'm sure you would agree with me that Rooney is simply not in the same class as Aguero or Costa as a finisher of scoring chances.

Goals have to come from somewhere and if it's not from Rooney then who? Maybe Depay, but I don't think we can bank on him scoring at a striker's rate. Young and Mata will give us few, but not many. I hope we don't see Fellaini moved into a striker role. Definitely not RvP and Wilson.

If we bring in Bale, then we've got a reliable 20 goal scorer to go with Roo's 15 (I doubt he'll be taking pk's next season), but if we don't bring in Bale we absolutely must bring in a proper striker that Roo can work with, as he did with Tevez and with Berbatov. He just can't do it alone.
 
Its hard to see who's out there and I admit I haven't seen enough of strikers like Lacazette or Vietto to comment on them

Our scouting team have a tough job but the next Suarez or Aguero are out there - such a shame about Falcao
 
Gannicus said:
Agreed. But I'm sure you would agree with me that Rooney is simply not in the same class as Aguero or Costa as a finisher of scoring chances.

Goals have to come from somewhere and if it's not from Rooney then who? Maybe Depay, but I don't think we can bank on him scoring at a striker's rate. Young and Mata will give us few, but not many. I hope we don't see Fellaini moved into a striker role. Definitely not RvP and Wilson.

If we bring in Bale, then we've got a reliable 20 goal scorer to go with Roo's 15 (I doubt he'll be taking pk's next season), but if we don't bring in Bale we absolutely must bring in a proper striker that Roo can work with, as he did with Tevez and with Berbatov. He just can't do it alone.
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I wouldn't agree with that. Not Costa anyway. Aguero has a better left foot but Rooney is very reliable when he gets chances
 
RDCR07 said:
All our top title winning teams have had one or two strikers in top form throughout the season. One who can hold up play, one who be a nuisance throughout the one, one with pace. We dont a striker who can do any of that right now. On paper, we have the best striker combination maybe even in the world but on the pitch they combined for around 30 goals this season. Three world class strikers scoring only around 30 goals between them isnt a great return.

I love RVP and Falcao. But its fairly evident that their time at this club is over and should ship them both out. We should either give Wilson a proper chance next season or at least send him on loan and sign a striker. We cant have Depay play up top on his own. He isnt capable of playing as a proper #9. Maybe a false #9. If Rooney is injured then we really dont have a good threat up top.
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I think you are being a bit harsh on RVP. Granted he didnt do much today, but he is just coming back from a lengthy absence.
 
Benteke is getting popular here since he's in excellent form.

I was sort of against it, but we do seem to hit a lot of crosses, and he's probably the best aerial option out there, right? The goal he scored against Southampton was just a lofted 50/50 at the back stick of the kind we seem to throw up a lot.

42 in 81 starts, 7 sub appearances from age 22-24 at Villa. How many penalties in there?
 
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