We must buy the next Messi

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My team for next year

The next Schmeichel
The next Javier Zanetti
The next Rio Ferdinand
The next Franco Baresi
The next Philip Neville
The next David Beckham
The next Roy Keane
The next Paul Scholes
The next Lionel Messi
The next Cristiano Ronaldo
The next Marco Van Basten
 
devilish said:
My team for next year

The next Schmeichel
The next Javier Zanetti
The next Rio Ferdinand
The next Franco Baresi
The next Philip Neville
The next David Beckham
The next Roy Keane
The next Paul Scholes
The next Lionel Messi
The next Cristiano Ronaldo
The next Marco Van Basten
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That's just stupid. Thank f*** none of you guys aren't manager of this club.

Everyone knows that The next Beckham and The next Messi would leave the right too exposed for a 433 in this day & age..

The OP. Lord what a thread.
 
Cantona'sCollar said:
That's just stupid. Thank f*** none of you guys aren't manager of this club.

Everyone knows that The next Beckham and The next Messi would leave the right too exposed for a 433 in this day & age..

The OP. Lord what a thread.
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Don't worry. The next SAF, the next Rene and the next Phelan would sort tactics up and make this team a winner for next season. We will be winning the next treble believe me.
 
I dont understand why you are all mocking the OP - its a valid strategy and is one way to go (though, IMO not the optimal strategy).

Previously we have not had a policy of buying the best players - our policy has been to use existing players and make the best of them.
This brought us unprecedented success and is how we ended up with the likes of Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Butt, etc.
More recently we produced Cleverley and Evans (not so good).

What the OP is saying is that we should adopt the strategy of Madrid, of buying Galacticos, but I will contest that this strategy is not a guarantee for success.
We bought/loaned Falcao, Di Maria, Herrera expecting plenty of goals - but as of now, we are struggling to score. Sometimes, Galacticos dont work out.

In summary, big purchases dont always work out.

And with regards to Barca: you can correct me if I am wrong, but weren't most of their players home grown, coming through their own youth academy?
Messi definitely came through their youth system.
Pique spent his youth with Barca.
Xavi - same
Iniesta - same
Bartra - same

These are some of their best players.
So perhaps a blend of own academy players + a few galacticos is the right recipe, rather than just buying all 11 first teamers.
 
How about a stud farm, get all our ex-greats still living to provide samples which are kept in some expensive shiny science chamber buried deep into the bowels of Carrington. We would recruit willing women or do a deal with the Government where we obtain women who have not been in employment for a while, then pay/force the surrogates to repeatedly impregnate themselves with an ex-greats sample. Train and develop then from babies and there you go, the birth of United eugenics, a production line of Giggs, Scholes, Charlton, Robson, Rio, Vidic, Keane,Kanchelskis and little Cantonas the list goes on, any girls we can sell on and boys not showing natural gifts can be sold back to governments for slave Labour or expensive organs.
 
SirBobbysCombover said:
How about a stud farm, get all our ex-greats still living to provide samples which are kept in some expensive shiny science chamber buried deep into the bowels of Carrington. We would recruit willing women or do a deal with the Government where we obtain women who have not been in employment for a while, then pay/force the surrogates to repeatedly impregnate themselves with an ex-greats sample. Train and develop then from babies and there you go, the birth of United eugenics, a production line of Giggs, Scholes, Charlton, Robson, Rio, Vidic, Keane,Kanchelskis and little Cantonas the list goes on, any girls we can sell on and boys not showing natural gifts can be sold back to governments for slave Labour or expensive organs.
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I dont think we should be looking at just any old women, these people are going to be providing 50% of the genetic code for these specimens, we should be using either top female athletes or perhaps the daughters of great players, particularly intelligent strategists.

Otherwise its hard to find fault with this plan.
 
sunama said:
I dont understand why you are all mocking the OP - its a valid strategy and is one way to go (though, IMO not the optimal strategy).
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Well, the OP is what it is - I won't even comment on its mock-worthiness.

But on a serious note, what is suggested here is that we make a habit of buying everything that moves and looks tasty before Real or Barca do. Spend a couple of hundred mill every summer - success guaranteed. Even it it were remotely likely that we could do that (which it isn't), there's no guarantee it would be worth it.

If it's true that Real have managed to buy themselves a trophy or two over the years through their Galacticos "strategy", it has been a remarkably unimpressive return for all that money spent.

I may be overly cynical but here's what I think: If we are actually contemplating adopting some sort of Galacticos model, it will be because Woody reckons it will make us more money - not more trophies. Brand building more than team building.
 
Adebesi said:
I dont think we should be looking at just any old women, these people are going to be providing 50% of the genetic code for these specimens, we should be using either top female athletes or perhaps the daughters of great players, particularly intelligent strategists.

Otherwise its hard to find fault with this plan.
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Hahaha very true, excuse my oversight while devising this plan.
 
sunama said:
I dont understand why you are all mocking the OP - its a valid strategy and is one way to go (though, IMO not the optimal strategy).

Previously we have not had a policy of buying the best players - our policy has been to use existing players and make the best of them.
This brought us unprecedented success and is how we ended up with the likes of Beckham, Giggs, Scholes, Butt, etc.
More recently we produced Cleverley and Evans (not so good).

What the OP is saying is that we should adopt the strategy of Madrid, of buying Galacticos, but I will contest that this strategy is not a guarantee for success.
We bought/loaned Falcao, Di Maria, Herrera expecting plenty of goals - but as of now, we are struggling to score. Sometimes, Galacticos dont work out.

In summary, big purchases dont always work out.

And with regards to Barca: you can correct me if I am wrong, but weren't most of their players home grown, coming through their own youth academy?
Messi definitely came through their youth system.
Pique spent his youth with Barca.
Xavi - same
Iniesta - same
Bartra - same

These are some of their best players.
So perhaps a blend of own academy players + a few galacticos is the right recipe, rather than just buying all 11 first teamers.
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Posting under different accounts is a bannable offence, Nick.
 
best thread ever. Only read the first and last pages though.

Did anyone even point out Barcelona didn't actually buy Messi though, making even the hilariously simple premise of "Buying the top players" not actually completely what they've done?
 
Chesterlestreet said:
Well, the OP is what it is - I won't even comment on its mock-worthiness.

But on a serious note, what is suggested here is that we make a habit of buying everything that moves and looks tasty before Real or Barca do. Spend a couple of hundred mill every summer - success guaranteed. Even it it were remotely likely that we could do that (which it isn't), there's no guarantee it would be worth it.

If it's true that Real have managed to buy themselves a trophy or two over the years through their Galacticos "strategy", it has been a remarkably unimpressive return for all that money spent.

I may be overly cynical but here's what I think: If we are actually contemplating adopting some sort of Galacticos model, it will be because Woody reckons it will make us more money - not more trophies. Brand building more than team building.
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Of course. To be fair, I think that Perez 'invented' that strategy for the same reason too.

Though, spending and winning are heavily dependent on each other. But as you said, as Madrid has proven, spending doesn't guarantee success.
 
Revan said:
Though, spending and winning are heavily dependent on each other. But as you said, as Madrid has proven, spending doesn't guarantee success.
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Though I don't agree at all with the Perez philosophy, it should be noted that it has yielded them as many European Cups in the last 14 years as us. Obviously they expected more, but, you know, it didn't not work.

The fact they were overshadowed by the greatest homegrown side of all time slightly exaggerated the impression of failure too.
 
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Mockney said:
Though I don't agree at all with the Perez philosophy, it should be noted that it has yielded them as many European Cups in the last 14 years as us. Obviously they expected more, but, you know, it didn't not work.
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It depends how much it worked. They have outspent any club on both wages and transfers and yet haven't won as much as Barca or United during that time. So, it hasn't worked that well.

Like in all things, I think that a balance is needed. So, spend big on players we need instead of just spending for the seek of spending which at times might cause more troubles than it is worth it (the last few years for us).
 
The OP needs to tell us who he wants to buy. He says the next Messi, Suarez, Neymar, etc. But he says he doesn't want kids with the potential to be the next big thing, he's after 22-25 year olds that make an instant impact and stay at the club for 7-10 years or so to deliver success.

These are players we should know. So who do you want us to buy?

Pogba (21), Reus (25), Neymar (23), Marquinhos (20)?

Who do you want? Give us your wishlist and how likely we would be to get them.
 
nick2004 said:
Guys, it is not reasonable to have Barca buying Neymar for 100 million and we buy Herrera for 30 million... and somehow we expect that Herrera will play as well as Neymar. He may do once in a while, but not day in and day out.

If you want a front line as good as Barca's then we have to spend 100 for "anti-Naymar", 100 for "anti-Suarez" and 200 for "anti-Messi".

Yes, it's a lot of money. But that's the only way to do it. That's what Real Madrid did.

If there is some other way, please tell me what it is. Because I don't see any other way.
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:lol::lol: gold!! Just gold!
 
Anyone else read back over this thread just for a lol. Pure accidental comedy genius.

No offence to the op just the context of the replies made me laugh alot. Defo contender for thread of the year.
 
Mockney said:
Though I don't agree at all with the Perez philosophy, it should be noted that it has yielded them as many European Cups in the last 14 years as us. Obviously they expected more, but, you know, it didn't not work.

The fact they were overshadowed by the greatest homegrown side of all time slightly exaggerated the impression of failure too.
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That's fair enough. But Real weren't some kind of City'esque upstarts when they got the Galacticos idea. So, they certainly didn't have to stick to it. They had the fanbase, the resources, the pulling power (everything you could wish for) to go for any kind of strategy.

One may also question whether Real - in full Galacticos mode - were actually good enough at the time to take advantage of a hypothetical non-Pep/non-Messi Barca...erm, not getting in their way. They may have won the CL under Maureen if Barca hadn't been as strong - but that's about it and it's plausibly one year, not more. Before Maureen arrived they were disorganized as hell most of the time, as I remember it. Couldn't defend for shite, etc.
 
Next Messi


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(could be Stolen-from-Ivor Messi)
 
Mockney said:
Though I don't agree at all with the Perez philosophy, it should be noted that it has yielded them as many European Cups in the last 14 years as us. Obviously they expected more, but, you know, it didn't not work.

The fact they were overshadowed by the greatest homegrown side of all time slightly exaggerated the impression of failure too.
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We'd probably have 2 more European Cups without that Barca team too.
 
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Have we started preparing a bid for the next Messi yet?
 
By the way, I don't mind the funny posts.

However, the point is that we have to buy our future success.

And we can afford to do so, because we are a very rich club.

We should forget the "homegrown talent". That was a different era.
 
nick2004 said:
By the way, I don't mind the funny posts.

However, the point is that we have to buy our future success.

And we can afford to do so, because we are a very rich club.

We should forget the "homegrown talent". That was a different era.
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We should NEVER forget trying to bring through homegrown talent.
 
nick2004 said:
It seems that the team is trying to buy the new Neymar! :D:wenger:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-news-transfers-new-5181966

Manchester United news and transfers: 'New Neymar' set to seal Red Devils deal?
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This isn't what you said you wanted though. You didn't want kids that would become stars in a few years time. You wanted ready made players. That's why I asked you to tell me who they are. If they are 20/21/22, you should be able to identify the "next Messi".
 
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