We desperately need a right back

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If we could pull those off I'd be over the moon. They're somewhat realistic too.
Yeah that was my thought process. I couldn't resist going into muppet mode for a bit though. We wouldn't need both CBs imo anyway. We could do with a winger and a striker though, Depay would be a shout. On the striker, who can we get? We need someone around 23-26 I'd say and they need to be properly top bracket or as good as anyway. I wouldn't be entirely happy spending 40 odd million quid on Falcao tbh and Robin isn't going to last too much longer I reckon. We could and should aim for the following (understudies/backups in brackets):

De Gea
Rafael (Clyne) - Laporte (Smalling) - Rojo - Shaw
Blind (Carrick)
Herrera/Strootman (Tielemans) - Di Maria
Mata/Di Maria
ST - Rooney/van Persie (Wilson)​
 
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You could screw Juve over by signing Lichtsteiner who only has 6 months left on his contract. Best RB in Serie A and certainly top ten in Europe.

I hope we are looking at this. It could be a good punt.

Clyne seems an obvious option as well.
 
Do you boys think that he's good enough? I'm starting to come to the conclusion that we indeed do need a new RB. As much as I love Rafael, he's another made of glass. Clyne has certainly looked good this season but I'm not sure how far he can go.

He doesn't impress me that much. He is good going forward but Young easily slipped past him several times yesterday. If we are gonna find one in the P.L - I would rather go for Coleman
 
He doesn't impress me that much. He is good going forward but Young easily slipped past him several times yesterday. If we are gonna find one in the P.L - I would rather go for Coleman

Really? I thought he had Young in his pocket all game long, very impressive for most of the game even if he was going against Young as a full back.
 
He doesn't impress me that much. He is good going forward but Young easily slipped past him several times yesterday. If we are gonna find one in the P.L - I would rather go for Coleman

Clyne or Coleman, its a win-win for me. Clyne is younger though. Either of them will be more reliable than Rafael.
 
Shopping List:
Laporte
Strootman
Clyne
Aguero
Tielemans
Varane
Hazard

Is that a fantasy shopping list or a serious one, because Aguero and Hazard are weird inclusion.

For the rest i follow you, they are accessible and young.
 
Lukasz Piszczek is the man on top of the list for me. Having a RB with some decent height and quality like him would be great considering we have Luke Shaw as a tall full-back on the other side.
 
Coleman >>>> Rafa

I don't think anyone sane would dispute that. However, I'm not fully sure Coleman would be attainable now considering how Everton play hard ball with us every single time. I think we are better poaching the few Dortmund players left, especially when they are flirting with relegation.
 
Piszczek would be lovely, that guy knows how to cross.

But I MIGHT be a little biased as he was born and raised in my hometown :D
 
I don't think anyone sane would dispute that. However, I'm not fully sure Coleman would be attainable now considering how Everton play hard ball with us every single time. I think we are better poaching the few Dortmund players left, especially when they are flirting with relegation.

I dunno about that, Dortmund only roll over for Bayern with transfers.
 
Coleman signed a five year deal in the summer. So you would have to pay £30m+ to sign him, he isn't worth that.
 
We will never be able to field this side, will we?

De Gea
Rafael - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
Carrick
Herrera - Di María
Rooney
Falcao - van Persie​
 
Is that a fantasy shopping list or a serious one, because Aguero and Hazard are weird inclusion.

For the rest i follow you, they are accessible and young.
A mix of both :D Varane, Aguero and Hazard are my dream signings!
 
Yeah that was my thought process. I couldn't resist going into muppet mode for a bit though. We wouldn't need both CBs imo anyway. We could do with a winger and a striker though, Depay would be a shout. On the striker, who can we get? We need someone around 23-26 I'd say and they need to be properly top bracket or as good as anyway. I wouldn't be entirely happy spending 40 odd million quid on Falcao tbh and Robin isn't going to last too much longer I reckon. We could and should aim for the following (understudies/backups in brackets):

De Gea
Rafael (Clyne) - Laporte (Smalling) - Laporte - Shaw
Blind (Carrick)
Herrera/Strootman (Tielemans) - Di Maria
Mata/Di Maria
ST - Rooney/van Persie (Wilson)​

Laporte: good but perhaps not that good.
 
Rafael has been sent off, and commited less fouls, then Zabaleta over the past 5 seasons.

Yet people still talk about Rafa being the liability. Its amazing.

Zabaleta's had 3 red cards in 150 PL appearances. Rafael has had 2 in 89 appearances. So, Rafael is slightly more likely to get sent off, but I agree I don't see why he is viewed as a liability in terms of getting sent off. Perhaps he has a tendency to throw himself into tackles more than Zabaleta so there's this image that at any point in a match in a moment of rashness he can dive in and get sent off but the stats show it is unmerited.

Regards United signing a new RB, you definitely need one with Rafael's injury problems. Valencia is just a poor right back and it's farcical that he plays there for you at times. Same for Young at LB but that's just misfortune with injuries. I think you would have done well to get Sagna in the summer. Free, very good and experienced, and clearly willing to accept not starting every match. Now, however, Clyne would seem an ideal signing. The main thing is just getting a capable reliable right back. Doesn't have to be an exciting, renowned player, just one who you know will deliver a 6-7 out of 10 whenever he is called upon. Even someone like Rangel or Gamez could do the job.
 
Just how comfortable is Cuadrado at right back? Say if we signed him, Depay, Strootman and a centre back or two in the summer we could play 433 and use Cuadrado as back up for Rafael and a first choice winger.

But if he's not any better than Valencia back there then yeah forget i said anything.
 
Red cards aren't the best indicator of rashness. Once you're on a yellow, you tend to rein yourself in a bit. Rafael is quite obviously an over-zealous tackler who is prone to selling himself short - visibly more so than Zabaleta, but not as bad as he once was.
 
I'm not sure who I'd like us to sign, but I would like us to sign a right-back. Someone to demote Rafael to backup, he can still contribute throughout the season but we simply cannot rely on him.
 
If Rafael remains injured and is replace I will cry and not like football as much.

Seriously he has so many fans on here because he simply is that good when he plays. He is literally one of the main outlets in the team to get forward. He routinely leads the team in touches along with Carrick. I don't follow all the stats but I think it's impressive for a right back to get so many touches every game.

He is dynamic and skilled and plays with urgency and balls. I don't think there are many fullbacks out there who are available who can do a better job.

Let's face it - we lack pace and skill and dribbling. Rafael provides all if these. Getting a steady right back who can cross won't be enough. We need skill.

I fully understand why people want another right back. These injuries are just so sad.
 
The situation isn't as desperate though as in the case of other areas in the team. I'd rather get a CB than forking out for a RB/LB. And not to forget, we would have Varela coming back as well next season.
 
I don't think anyone sane would dispute that. However, I'm not fully sure Coleman would be attainable now considering how Everton play hard ball with us every single time. I think we are better poaching the few Dortmund players left, especially when they are flirting with relegation.
Errr i do, I think Rafael is much the better player, for some reason Coleman's (and Baines for that matter) defensive liabilities seem to be completely overlooked, its baffling.
 
I'd say we need 2 RB and a LB. We can get rid of the last of the crocked twins and bring someone who pass much of the time on the pitch and not in the treatment room.
 
With all due respect to Tony V and Ashley Young, who have both put in a shift as fullbacks, we need to stop messing with these positions and find reliable players there.

I can understand the left back slot being a peculiar circumstance as we have 3 options, a starter (Shaw) who's injured, the first choice back up who's injured (Blind) and the next option having to fill in at center back. There were instances in last game where the midfielder would look up and see a vast void in space on that right side with no one to pass to.

I love Rafael and he does a fantastic job when fit but he's far too susceptible to pick up injuries and suspensions quickly and we need a reliable option B for him, either a starter or a very good back up. In my opinion, this is even more important than a center back or winger as the fullback positions are specialist positions where a makeshift player can be easily found out.

So, what are our options and who's available?

Not that desperate this season, we don't have any other competition other than the FA and EPL

Rafael / Valencia and probably a youth prospect in case of terrible emergency is more than enough (bar any major bad luck with injuries occuring on both of them)
 
De Sciglio's not been at his best recently but seems to be the case with most of the Milan team. Can play both sides too, should take a punt on him.

With Rafael's persistent injury problems it really isn't, Valencia is a shite back up.

I would take him right now. He's not better than a fit Rafael, but it would be a major boost for us. Young and talented, but more reliable than the Brazilian.

I'm afraid that LVG is waiting on Dani Alves next summer to swap position with Rafa, but I won't be sure of his level.

1) De Sciglio -> Milan are short of money and we would have him for 15M€
2) Coleman --> We can propose them Cleverley in exchange or one of our players in loan, but Everton will ask a lot
3) Clyne --> But we have to wait until the end of the season to see if he keeps his good form
4) Dani Alves --> 31 this summer, free agent, but he will cost us a lot on wages
 
Fit Rafael is best right back in the world as Lahm stopped playing right back.

We need cover for him thou, as he's feckingly injury prone. Nathaniel Clyne or Matteo Darmian would be good enough I think.
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Ivanovic & Zabaleta are ahead of him in the PL, and arguments can be made for Coleman as well.
Piszczek (bar Dortmunds shite season so far) & Carvajal shouldn't be shrugged off so easily either.
And just because Lahm plays in midfield, doesn't mean he isn't a capable right-back anymore.

Why do people have to make statements so bombastic instead of just saying that Rafael is one of the best right-backs in the world when fit?
Why doesn't fitness come into play when rating players? getting them on field surely should be a huge thing.
 
Fit Rafael is best right back in the world as Lahm stopped playing right back.

We need cover for him thou, as he's feckingly injury prone. Nathaniel Clyne or Matteo Darmian would be good enough I think.

Never at any point during his career was Rafael the best RB in the world.
 
Much as I like the guy - and similar to Evans, Jones and Smalling - enough is enough. You can't have a first choice player who misses huge swathes of games every season. We need to buy someone to compete for his shirt. If he stays fit and keeps his place in the side then great.
 
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