We are not going to score enough goals

People point to Bruno apparently creating so many chances according to the stats. But I genuinely think overall we don't create enough. Maybe it's the local of a focal point up front, but I do worry because we've got so many wasteful attacking players.

This isn't based on the pre-season.
Just call him Rashford
 
MG has not had proper training with the squad in almost 2 years, hasn't played in 2 years and who knows how the team's morale/chemistry will be with him in the squad.

Pinning our hopes on him still being a very good player also seems far-fetched. He could be completely out of form/not up to par anymore.
 
MG has not had proper training with the squad in almost 2 years, hasn't played in 2 years and who knows how the team's morale/chemistry will be with him in the squad.

Pinning our hopes on him still being a very good player also seems far-fetched. He could be completely out of form/not up to par anymore.

His biggest asset is finishing, and that's something that you don't lose tbh.
 
A decision one way or another must have been made by now.

I reckon he'll be reintroduced but the club didn't want him near a pre season/advertising tour.

There's no doubt from a football perspective he's what we need.

Those current forward options are nowhere near good enough.
If we don't bring in another striker (Only the clubs know that) then we need him back in the squad.

I rate Hojlund as a massive talent but i doubt he will score 25+ goals this season.
Rashford can get surely 20+ goals this season.
Martial must be sold!!!!
And the other players in the squad.....Fernandes, Mount, Antony, Sancho or Garnacho can surely score at least 10 goals but 5-10 goals is more likely and that is not enough.
The normal Greenwood can give us surely 20-30 goals.

Anyway the wingers must improve their numbers unless Hojlund scores 35+ goals in the upcoming seasons.
 
His biggest asset is finishing, and that's something that you don't lose tbh.

You can lose everything if you haven't played competitively or trained competitively in nearly 2 years.

There's no guarantee at all he's still a very good player.
 
MG has not had proper training with the squad in almost 2 years, hasn't played in 2 years and who knows how the team's morale/chemistry will be with him in the squad.

Pinning our hopes on him still being a very good player also seems far-fetched. He could be completely out of form/not up to par anymore.

Which is why waiting until the start of the season to make our decision seems crazy. We must have been able to accelerate this - it’s neither in the club’s interest or Greenwood’s to leave it so late. Either we could have reintegrated him and got him up to speed (or assessed if a loan was the way forward) or given him more time to find a new club if we released him.
 
MG has not had proper training with the squad in almost 2 years, hasn't played in 2 years and who knows how the team's morale/chemistry will be with him in the squad.

Pinning our hopes on him still being a very good player also seems far-fetched. He could be completely out of form/not up to par anymore.
The people at the club have surely asked the squad about this topic.

And surely the coaching staff had contact with him in the weeks/months to know his fitness and maybe they have given him a training protocol.
 
James Ducker saying a decision will be made prior with regards to Mason by the beginning of the Premier League. I think he's going to be back in the squad.

Yeah it's obvious that MG is coming back into the team else we wouldn't have needed to prepare the public with these briefs. Given that they would (or should) have taken a decision way earlier that they didn't get Greenwood started onto the pre-season tour. To help him get some rhythm back.
 
Yeah it's obvious that MG is coming back into the team else we wouldn't have needed to prepare the public with these briefs. Given that they would (or should) have taken a decision way earlier that they didn't get Greenwood started onto the pre-season tour. To help him get some rhythm back.

Yeah, I can't see him playing until the new year now. 18 months without any football or professional is way too long for him to just stroll back into the first team picture.
 
The front three have some serious weaknesses. Obviously we'll be adding Hojlund which should improve a couple of areas. But even then we'll still have Rashford, Antony and Sancho on the wings and each of them are really poor in at least one area.
Rashford is seriously thick and his decision making is horrid. He is too Inconsistent. Antony also is thick and has poor decision making, but he's also painfully one footed and selfish, choosing to shoot too often and wasting possession. Sancho is mentally weak and has no aggression and lacks determination.

It's not an attack that comes close to the elite teams that win the league let alone the CL. Nowhere near enough end product. The decision making and composure are seriously poor for this level.
Rashford was one of the best forwards in Europe last season. Quick, exciting, direct and lethal. If he was playing for PSG he’d look more like Mbappe.
As for Anthony, it’s his first season at a big club in a big league. Let’s judge him this year.
 
Based on early indications, my prediction is that we'll score about the the same number of goals as last season. I.e. not good enough.
 
Gotta just hope that Rasmus can give us something we're missing. Because currently, pre season or not, we have the same issues in our build up.
 
Our only consistent goal threat is the early ball to either Rashford or Garnacho during transition.
 
Gotta just hope that Rasmus can give us something we're missing. Because currently, pre season or not, we have the same issues in our build up.
And hope he doesnt get injured ever…
 
Well done Antony. If only we got more of that consistently.

Garnacho's finall ball has been really impressive today.
 
The good thing about the summer break is that we get new players in. This makes us all excited for the new season, and of course we should be too. But as soon as we have some misunderstandings in a friendly match, like yesterday, there are a lot of people in here who judge the team down. Last year we didn't start perfectly either, and many immediately said that we won't finish in the top 4.
Now, not many people think we will score more goals than last season, but I sincerely believe we will.
1. The team knows each other better than last year.
2. The team is more comfortable with ETH's system.
3. We have two amazing quick players in Rashford and Højlund who are good at being in the right place at the right time and their speed can really scare any defence.
4. We have fantastic players who can lay passes, so it will look very easy for both Rashford, Højlund, Antony, Mason and Martial "when he is fit"

There is no doubt that we are a better team this year than we was for a year ago. But the important thing is, have we improved more than our opponents have??? I believe we have that, and therefore I also believe we will end up with 80+ goals....

We also saw yesterday that we have many on the team, there are able to score our goals, and that only makes us stronger, as our opponents never know where the shot is coming from.

Faith can move mountains and I believe we can allow ourselves to be positive...
 
Hojlund central, Rashford left and Garnacho right with Bruno behind should be able to score enough I feel. Three rapid players with an excellent creator.
 
Garnacho won’t be starting ahead of Antony.
He's the better player. Not out of the realm of possibility that he moves ahead in Ten Hag's pecking order (if he hasn't already) when Antony inevitably proves again to be a dud.
 
He's the better player. Not out of the realm of possibility that he moves ahead in Ten Hag's pecking order (if he hasn't already) when Antony inevitably proves again to be a dud.
Have we ever played Gernacho on the right?

I can’t see it, Gernacho is still young and Rashford needs to be managed so injuries are avoided. Rashford Uptop until Højlund is ready.

On the right, Anthony, Sancho.
On the left Rashford and Genarcho rotating with Rashford first choice at present.
 
He's the better player. Not out of the realm of possibility that he moves ahead in Ten Hag's pecking order (if he hasn't already) when Antony inevitably proves again to be a dud.

He’s the more exciting player. He doesn’t do half of the defensive and off the ball work that Antony does, which is why Ten Hag picks him.
 
Mason will take a month to warm up but goal scoring is a natural talent he won’t have lost. I think the lack of a Kane type signing has forced the clubs hand regarding him being slowly integrated and possible loans for a season. We need him back now.
 
I still think we'll comfortably outscore most teams. We'll have many 3-1, 4-2 games against mid table and lower table teams this season. My concern is whether we can come out on the right side of tight games against the top-6. Even against them, I think we're favorites in our home games. But we'll probably have 1 or 2 chances overall and need to be absolutely clinical when it happens. That's where a one-chance-one-goal striker would be invaluable.
 
He's the better player. Not out of the realm of possibility that he moves ahead in Ten Hag's pecking order (if he hasn't already) when Antony inevitably proves again to be a dud.
Antony's treatment on here is a disgrace. Your analysis of his contribution to the team is less than juvenile.
 
Mason will take a month to warm up but goal scoring is a natural talent he won’t have lost. I think the lack of a Kane type signing has forced the clubs hand regarding him being slowly integrated and possible loans for a season. We need him back now.
This. Also, you'd think he hadn't kicked a ball since he got suspended. Particularly once the decision to end the case against him, MG has clearly been training in prep either to reintegrate or to move to another professional club, which will include ball skills, striking. He'll have access to private facilities, whether at home or elsewhere (where there'll be some kind of privacy agreement) and be able to source people to train with... and not just his mates either. It'll be more a case of adjusting to the intensity of Pl level games as well as to high-level team interplay again, a number of new team-mates etc when he comes back to 'official' training. But the technique shouldn't have deserted him.
 
Antony's treatment on here is a disgrace. Your analysis of his contribution to the team is less than juvenile.
He's not been anywhere near good enough. It's as simple as that. The best wingers on the planet are not hailed for "balance" or "defensive contribution". They are hailed for what they produce. Goals, assists, chances created. That's the primary reason he was signed and that is the basis on which he must be assessed.
 
He's not been anywhere near good enough. It's as simple as that. The best wingers on the planet are not hailed for "balance" or "defensive contribution". They are hailed for what they produce. Goals, assists, chances created. That's the primary reason he was signed and that is the basis on which he must be assessed.
Very few players light up the PL in their first season. He’s 23 and came from the Dutch league. Remember Mourinho sold Salah and De Bryune judging them as not good enough at a young age.
 
Is Garnacho good enough on the right?
He's not been anywhere near good enough. It's as simple as that. The best wingers on the planet are not hailed for "balance" or "defensive contribution". They are hailed for what they produce. Goals, assists, chances created. That's the primary reason he was signed and that is the basis on which he must be assessed.
Well he is our player, 23 years old, and the constant negatively verging on abuse on here is out of order and you can sit and make up as many stupid reasons to not support our player anyone with half a football brain just read and laughs. He scored and assisted yesterday so you lot have had it in for him since he arrived plain nd simple. The season hasn't even started and you are all it.
 
Have we ever played Gernacho on the right?

I can’t see it, Gernacho is still young and Rashford needs to be managed so injuries are avoided. Rashford Uptop until Højlund is ready.

On the right, Anthony, Sancho.
On the left Rashford and Genarcho rotating with Rashford first choice at present.
This isn't even my final form!
 
Well he is our player, 23 years old, and the constant negatively verging on abuse on here is out of order and you can sit and make up as many stupid reasons to not support our player anyone with half a football brain just read and laughs. He scored and assisted yesterday so you lot have had it in for him since he arrived plain nd simple. The season hasn't even started and you are all it.
I assume you’re talking about Antony? I wasn’t saying anything negative about him, I was just asking whether Garnacho would be effective on the right, given that I’ve only really seen him on the left.
 
He's not been anywhere near good enough. It's as simple as that. The best wingers on the planet are not hailed for "balance" or "defensive contribution". They are hailed for what they produce. Goals, assists, chances created. That's the primary reason he was signed and that is the basis on which he must be assessed.

Two goals in his last two pre-season friendlies. He should have had a few more during the rest of pre-season, too. I think Antony’s number are going to improve quite a lot. Time will tell.
 
I assume you’re talking about Antony? I wasn’t saying anything negative about him, I was just asking whether Garnacho would be effective on the right, given that I’ve only really seen him on the left.
i was replying to Dannn411 negativity and not so much your question.
 
It will be interesting to see who are top goalscorer is at the end of the season. It should be Hojlund. If it is then I expect Fernanded, Rashford and Anthony to be behind him, and I do think Anthony will get at least 10 goals this coming season. I think we'll be alright for goals as long as our No 9 settles in ok.
 
It’s a problem that’s been getting worse every season, and last time out we were 50 goals behind city and 40 off Arsenal.

While I’m aware we are chasing a striker and ETH acknowledges the issue, it’s unnerving that our focus seems to be on a young player in Hoijlund that is not certain to score more than ten in a season.

Rashford did great last season but has a habit of blowing hot and cold. We can’t rely on Mount for more than five to ten goals max. Antony doesn’t score goals. Martial is always inured. Sancho wont get more than six.

There’s just no chance we are mounting a title challenge currently and while Onana helps the playing style, it’s the amount of goals that City, Arsenal and Liverpool score that makes the difference.

I think it’s this issue that could see us only just scrape top four. We really need two new strikers.

Anyone disagree or do you think the new playing style plus Hoiljund and Mount might be enough?

36 behind City and 30 behind Arsenal, let's not exaggerate. That said, the sentiment of your post obviously stands.

We also got 14 less than bloody Brighton, who had Alexis MacAllister as their top-scorer in the league at 10 goals. Their top strikers where Danny Welbeck and Evan Ferguson with 6 goals apiece. Brighton aren't scoring a lot of goals due to having great out-and-out goalscorers, but because they are capable of playing fecking good football, heh.

We got 12 fewer than Spurs too, who played fecking bad football, heh, but had Kane (and Son).

All this to say: yes of course having better players and goalscorers help, but so does evolving a footballing identify on the pitch. With ETH at the helm, Højlund in, maybe Martial can stay fit for a hot minute and maybe we even manage the masterpiece of snagging Kane next summer, we are definitly on the right trajectory.