We are not going to score enough goals

So you think the Glazers and the Glazers only will have the say on this situation?
You don't think there's several other entities and personnel involved?
You think it's just the Glazers who have been conducting the internal investigation?

The Glazers own and thus run Manchester United.

This issue is a serious one and obviously an issue and decision that lays at the owners’ door - ETH has said as much.

On an issue such as this, the buck obviously stops with them.

I’d be suspicious that anyone could genuinely think otherwise.

They are completely responsible for how this has been handled, it would be idiotic to suggest otherwise.
 
The Glazers own and thus run Manchester United.

This issue is a serious one and obviously an issue and decision that lays at the owners’ door - ETH has said as much.

On an issue such as this, the buck obviously stops with them.

I’d be suspicious that anyone could genuinely think otherwise.

They are completely responsible for how this has been handled, it would be idiotic to suggest otherwise.
I disagree entirely, you really think that EtH hasn't had a day in the matter?
He even said he did, he then said it's 'up to the club', not 'its up to the owners'....

You really think no one else has been consulted on the matter?
Have the Glazers been running the internal investigation themselves?
 
Dont understand the shit the OP is getting. We scored far too little last season and resorted to weghorst. All thats happened in an attacking sense is weghorst leaving. We will almost certainly sign somebody, but like casemiro joining after a terrible start last season , to bolster the most glaring gap in our squad, it would have been better to have some business done sooner.

Fingers crossed Hojlund is clinical, as it looks like he's the man we're looking to

Weghorst got plenty of chances but wasn’t able to finish.

To OPs point. We scored 58. City won the league on 94. That said: Many of those from games they scored over 4 or 5 or 6 goals in a match. What does that matter if it’s about points? Chelsea with Mourinho won the league on a bunch of 1-0 wins. Greece won the Euro on 1-0s.
 
In a long season, the games you can be 3-0 by the hour mark, are a hell of a lot easier to play than having to be fully focused for 90 minutes at 1-0.

But it will be interesting to see Hojlund in the Prem before I worry too much about goals scored.
 
It was one of Murtough's ideas after Woodward announced his departure as a part of the bigger plan to restructure the club. It came into being shortly after Solskjaer had been sacked and with the club being in disarray it's not a surprise nobody gave two fecks at the time. MUST, the Fans' Club, and the Women's Supporters Club have representatives. Here are all the names of people who are on the board:

https://www.manutd.com/en/news/deta...-board-to-strengthen-dialogue-with-supporters





The way i read it, the club has already decided to reinstate his status as a member of the first team, but they still haven't managed to get everybody on board. It's quite telling, i believe, that the Women's Supporters suddenly "felt the need" to go public with their disapproval of MG's return to first team activities.

I watched the Muppeteirs video today and I agree with James, that this issue has been dealt with diabolically. Like the takeover, " there has been no communication from the top" to the supporters.

He also emphasised that the journalists naming the England women participants, Mary Earps, Katie Zalem and Ella Toone now have targets on their backs if it is true that they are going to be consulted and the decision rests with them now the investigation "nears completion."

Nevertheless, I think I agree with that the club has made a decision but have held off as they have publicly declared their deadline and it is going to be a distraction from the opening match.

I cannot believe the club has not already consulted the relevant stakeholders. Could it be that the club are holding off until England Women finish their campaign, so the players do not get asked about it whilst they are participating in the tournament?
 
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Yeah I'm glad they have come out like this as it did look like the club were trying to sneak him back into the squad.

Hopefully it works and we never see him in the shirt again

Really hope so.
 
I watched the Muppeteirs video today and I agree with James, that this issue has been dealt with diabolically. Like the takeover, " there has been no communication from the top" to the supporters.

He also emphasised that the journalists naming the England women partisans, Mary Earps, Katie Zalem and Ella Too e now have targets on their backs if it is true that they are going to be consulted and the decision rests with them now the investigation "nears completion."

Nevertheless, I think I agree with that the club has made a decision but have held off as they have publicly declared their deadline and it is going to be a distraction from the opening match.

I cannot believe the club has not already consulted the relevant stakeholders. Could it be that the club are holding off until England Women finish their campaign, so the players do not get asked about it whilst they are participating in the tournament?

It did cross my mind that they are playing the waiting game knowing that, after September 1st, it will be easier to justify him staying and training with the first team. But if England win the WWC (not that it should matter) and the United players come back home to face this shiteshow, words cannot describe how badly it will reflect on the club
 
Really not sure the Glazers would have the final say on this situation, I would imagine they'd leave it to the footballing side to make the final decision
Joel Glazer is widely reported to have final sign off on all club decisions. It literally IS his call, even if it’s hidden behind a club statement or Arnie/Murtough taking the flack.
 
Agreed, we can't compete with the other top sides in the goal scoring department. Has big impact in matches where teams are closing up shop and we can't put games away.
 
Think people might be fretting slightly too much in this regard.

Last season we finished 12.3 goals under our NPxG and were 7th in the league for actual goals. And while a lot of people are quick to point to poor finishing from our CF options as the cause, the reality is that it was much more spread than that.

Below is the percentage of players in the squads of last season's top four sides who returned goals at below their expected values.

Man City - 45%
Arsenal - 34%
United - 65%
Newcastle - 44%

An obvious odd team out there. A swathe of our players scored less than they should have last season, not just our strikers. But the key point is that they haven't underperformed to that extent to before now, either as a squad or individually. So the odds are that they will likely revert to the mean.

In other words even if we put out the exact same team this season as last, it's fairly likely that they'd end up scoring more 12+ more goals regardless. Last season was a bit of an outlier in that regard.

That said, even if we were finishing to par we still only had the 6th best xG in the league. So improvement was still needed on that front. But it's not quite as bad as our horror show finishing from last season might make you think.
 
Jadon and Bruno output should go up with a proper 9 willing to run the channels . Antony will score more. Integrating Amad would be a smart move a she has more end product than antony.
 
I disagree entirely, you really think that EtH hasn't had a day in the matter?
He even said he did, he then said it's 'up to the club', not 'its up to the owners'....

You really think no one else has been consulted on the matter?
Have the Glazers been running the internal investigation themselves?

I'm sure they've all been asked their opinions and involved in running the investigation process, but at the end of the day the decision will be made by the Glazer brothers.

They are the ultimate decision making authority.
 
Unless we got an out and out striker, this was never going to get fixed in one season because we have been bleeding goal-scorers one way or other for multiple years without replacement. In fact, I'm glad we prioritized a Bruno backup/partner in Mount, a high potential striker to replace Martial and a GK comfortable with the ball at his feet. It is a more organic way of building the team up, and I'm glad ETH's strategy was backed by the money men. If the new signings gel in, we'll be closer to being a finished team and ready for a marquee striker signing next season.
 
Joel Glazer is widely reported to have final sign off on all club decisions. It literally IS his call, even if it’s hidden behind a club statement or Arnie/Murtough taking the flack.
Joel and Avaram are hands on, the rest of the Glazers couldn't care less.
That does not mean they will be the ones to make this call considering they are far removed from the situation.
Point being, Consultations will have been going on for weeks of not months and with more planned with the woman's team just shows that they are not the only ones making the decision.
 
I disagree entirely, you really think that EtH hasn't had a day in the matter?
He even said he did, he then said it's 'up to the club', not 'its up to the owners'....

You really think no one else has been consulted on the matter?
Have the Glazers been running the internal investigation themselves?
ETH will have zero influence on the club sale. Why would he have even a shred of a say in the matter ?
 
The fact that Martial is still here when he should have been sent packing years (ago and certainly after a season with EtH) has me wondering what's going on at the club.
No evidence whatsoever that he'll be anywhere near what we need to make a serious challenge for the major trophies.
Antony needs to move beyond being a one/two trick pony.
Sancho, Jadon flippin' Sancho, two whole seasons here and what exactly do we have, I don't know!
If I'm honest the only players that excite me each time I see them are Garnacho and Pellestri.
The thought of Antony, Martial and Sancho doing exactly the same this season as last is so depressing.
 
Season starts today. What is the situation with Greenwood? Apologies if this has been cleared, I've been out of loop recently.
 
Season starts today. What is the situation with Greenwood? Apologies if this has been cleared, I've been out of loop recently.
Decision delayed because they want to ask the 3 England women's players advice on it. Apparently.
 
Decision delayed because they want to ask the 3 England women's players advice on it. Apparently.

This is where we are now

This is the type of person we are encouraging if we bring him back.

It's disgusting and reflects very badly on the club.
 
To OPs point. We scored 58. City won the league on 94. That said: Many of those from games they scored over 4 or 5 or 6 goals in a match. What does that matter if it’s about points? Chelsea with Mourinho won the league on a bunch of 1-0 wins. Greece won the Euro on 1-0s.
Cup competitions are an entirely different kettle of fish.

As for Mourinho's Chelsea: they won the league with a goal difference of +57, a record at the time. 17 of their 29 wins was by more than one goal, 8 of them by three or more. And that is actually important: a team that has to fight to the bitter end in every single game because each of them is always balanced on a knife's edge is a team that's highly unlikely to win the title, simply because all too often one mistake, or one lucky deflection can lead to dropping points. Those games that you win by 3, 4, 5 goals build confidence and momentum and allow a certain sort of "rest".
 
Decision delayed because they want to ask the 3 England women's players advice on it. Apparently.
OK thanks.
It's safe to assume the club is stalling until we know we can maybe get another striker in. Otherwise I'm sure the decision would've made a while ago. As it probably should.
 
OK thanks.
It's safe to assume the club is stalling until we know we can maybe get another striker in. Otherwise I'm sure the decision would've made a while ago. As it probably should.
They are stalling because he's coming back and the dotting their Is and crossing their Ts I'd reckon
 
OK thanks.
It's safe to assume the club is stalling until we know we can maybe get another striker in. Otherwise I'm sure the decision would've made a while ago. As it probably should.

That’s very unlikely to play any part in it. At the moment, it just reeks of incompetence. We’ve had over 6 months to deal with this issue and have left it until the start of the season. The club have obviously then provisionally decided that he should be kept on as a player (there would clearly be no reason to be consult with the women’s team if they’d decided there were sufficient grounds to terminate his contract) and seem to have got cold feet last minute and/or realised that they should have done more to brief the women’s team.
 
OK thanks.
It's safe to assume the club is stalling until we know we can maybe get another striker in. Otherwise I'm sure the decision would've made a while ago. As it probably should.

I think I it's reasonable to assume the club want to bring him back into the fold. If they wanted rid, they'd have got rid by now. I suspect they're just trying to ascertain if the PR shitstorm would be something they could ride out or not.

The club are never going to let a £100m+ asset leave for nothing, so the best thing they could do is loan him out somewhere- which they could've done weeks ago - then sell him in a year's time when they can get some money for the 'asset".
 
Jadon and Bruno output should go up with a proper 9 willing to run the channels . Antony will score more. Integrating Amad would be a smart move a she has more end product than antony.

I do think that a lot depends on Sancho. If he fulfills his potential and becomes productive in terms of assists and goals then we can score just about enough.
And hopefully Rashford will score heavily.
 
What’s the background/context here?

The club being stupid which I don't think is the Glazers alone but also Murtough / Arnold with some responsibility on the matter. They publicize that this decision will be left to the women's representatives. If the decision is made and the player is sold their incompetence puts the women's reps at risk of being abused online.

Aside this however, United haven't done much to rectify the goalscoring problem on paper. Heading into the new season with potentially the same issue as the last.

Hopefully the new team shape can accommodate some attacking flair and more chances created for the players to convert. That's why this isn't a 8/10 window for me, I've seen some posters say it's a 9/10 window. On the premise of what was lacking last season the positions that needed strengthening was a right back, right winger and a striker. The midfield needed quality but it's not as urgent as passive lackluster wingers.

The only word due to the summer signings for improvement in scoring is hope. Hope's a wonderful thing in certain contexts but sometimes you need certainties. There's absolutely no certainties that United will score more goals this season than the last.
 
The club being stupid which I don't think is the Glazers alone but also Murtough / Arnold with some responsibility on the matter. They publicize that this decision will be left to the women's representatives. If the decision is made and the player is sold their incompetence puts the women's reps at risk of being abused online.

Aside this however, United haven't done much to rectify the goalscoring problem on paper. Heading into the new season with potentially the same issue as the last.

Hopefully the new team shape can accommodate some attacking flair and more chances created for the players to convert. That's why this isn't a 8/10 window for me, I've seen some posters say it's a 9/10 window. On the premise of what was lacking last season the positions that needed strengthening was a right back, right winger and a striker. The midfield needed quality but it's not as urgent as passive lackluster wingers.

The only word due to the summer signings for improvement in scoring is hope. Hope's a wonderful thing in certain contexts but sometimes you need certainties. There's absolutely no certainties that United will score more goals this season than the last.

Yeah but what’s the background on who the twitter profile is/what the post is about? I understand he’s tagged two United-players from the women’s team.
 
Yeah but what’s the background on who the twitter profile is/what the post is about? I understand he’s tagged two United-players from the women’s team.


The club have basically said the final decision rests now with those players which is a disgusting thing to do as they will now get criticised no matter what happens.

It's shameful how badly this club is run at times
 
Yeah but what’s the background on who the twitter profile is/what the post is about? I understand he’s tagged two United-players from the women’s team.

It's a veiled threat from a MG fanboy to the players saying basically if they don't give their blessing for MG to return that something will happen because they are being watched.
 
Who isTony Della Ghetto and why does his opinion matter to Manchester United? The club will take pragmatic action in regard of Greenwood regardless of what the outsiders think. Seriously as brash as it sounds, millions people won't stop watching or supporting Man United if Greenwood stay. It is what it is.

edit: my post will make me seen as pro-greenwood which i am not.
 
Who isTony Della Ghetto and why does his opinion matter to Manchester United? The club will take pragmatic action in regard of Greenwood regardless of what the outsiders think. Seriously as brash as it sounds, millions people won't stop watching or supporting Man United if Greenwood stay. It is what it is.

You've totally misunderstood the point that was being made.
 
Exactly if you look at the stats for goals scored it’s been a huge issue: which means moaning about Hojlund is barking up the wrong tree. It’s all about the formation/style and getting those chances
Not exactly. It is not coincidence that strikers (even only solid ones) cost as gold. Top striker will score out of nothing, top striker will score half chances, top striker will win you games when whole team have a bad day.
Of course that style and a way of play are important but top class striker is the one who makes real difference. And you realise that only when you have one.
 
He’s 100% coming back. He’d have been sent on loan/sold months ago if that wasn’t the case.
 
Out and out strikers are a dying breed. Whats excruciating is we have that goal scorer in the squad but we cant use him due to obvious moral reasons. With all those big chance bruno made last season he should have easily hit 25 assists but for poor finishing and decent saves from keeper that wasent the case. I wouldent be averse to a second striker tbh. Someone in the Firmino, Bergkamp, Sheringham, Cantona mould would be a good option (big names i know). Someone who can give us 10 or 15 goals with some imagination, strength and a decent first touch when up against defenders with his back to goal. I know hes experimented with sancho but he dosent really have the strength and is too indecisive for me to play this role even though he did fairly well in pre season he wasent that great. That seems more attainable than getting a 30 goal striker at the moment.Any players like that around or any who could potentially transition into that role?
 
Hojlund, Rashford, Garnacho, Sancho, Antony, Pellistri*, Amad*, and Martial* will be enough to score plenty - we are only short if all * or 2 of the * will leave by the end of the window.

Midfield adds another 15 and we are fine.
 
Not exactly. It is not coincidence that strikers (even only solid ones) cost as gold. Top striker will score out of nothing, top striker will score half chances, top striker will win you games when whole team have a bad day.
Of course that style and a way of play are important but top class striker is the one who makes real difference. And you realise that only when you have one.
Well I would like to throw in the banana peel on this one. I 100% agree with your top class striker view but there is, has to be the alternative just now and as an example I will name the Croatian team. They have a striker force that on a good day couldn't hit a barn door but as a collective go far in competitions. It is "the sum of the parts >" mode.

Yes I know it difficult to transfer to our league but there is much for a team that is fluid and well oiled in a process to produce the numbers without that Gold standard striker up top.
 
I think regardless of the players this is something that will improve when they all get used to the formation changes that have happened this summer.

We have plenty of players who can score more goals than they did last season.

I'd say Bruno, Sancho, Mount, Anthony, Martial and Hojlund could/should all score over 10. Even Garnacho and Casemiro could possibly be added to that list with Rashford 20+