We are bottlers

I’d argue the exact opposite, when we under pressure to get a result we often pull it out of the bag, it’s when we’re expected to win and the pressure drops, when we’re goddamned awful.
 
Ole should have taken Fred off at half time and replaced him with VdB.
 
All we need to do next week is a briefing that Ole is getting the sack and we'll smash Leipzig 4-0

Always happens when he's on the brink
 
I do suppose though at team of bottlers doesn't come from being behind at half time to win.

That does go against my previous post, I know.

I guess we are SO inconsistent we are even inconsistent about whether or not to bottle it.
 
Terrible timing for this. Did you watch the game? Name and shame, buddy. Tony's had a mare but the rest were excellent. Tonight's your night to have a free hit at Ole but we in no way bottled that.
 
drunkmonkmeth said:
What upsets me most is that ole wants to emulate fergie o the pitch but isnt intelligent enough to undersrand that he would also need to emulate him off the pitch. Fergie was ruthless.. martial wouldnt jave started today based of recent form under fergie but lets pretend he does. Fergie subs him after that pathetic miss.. fergie also take fred off at half time knowing how lucky we were to still have him on the pitch after 45mins.. jose does the same.

As much as i am blaming martial and fred for todays results.. ole allowed it to happen and ultmately its on him.

Today is a great example of why ole is out of his depths and should have been sacked ages ago
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There's no way Fergie would tolerate the BS Martial has been serving.

If Fergie was here Martial would be out this summer unless he dramatically improves. Even then he wouldn't be 100% safe and if Martial didn't sustain any improvement over another season he would most likely be sold.
 
GenZRed said:
There's no way Fergie would tolerate the BS Martial has been serving.

If Fergie was here Martial would be out this summer unless he dramatically improves. Even then he wouldn't be 100% safe and if Martial didn't sustain any improvement over another season he would most likely be sold.
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People keep saying this but based on what? When did Fergie do something like this to a player like Martial?
 
We are currently a lot of things but hardly bottlers.
We actually bottled more in the last years / decade with more experienced players (including under Fergie between 2011 - 2013).
 
spontaneus1 said:
We are all thinking it so someone should say it. The vast majority of our players have shown they can only do it when the pressure is off. I am 80% certain we will go away to Leipzig next week and lose. All but a few simply aren't winners. We bottled top 4 in Oles first season, we tried our best to bottle in last year. Then we managed to crash out vs Sevilla in the Europa league play offs because the players just won't score when it matters.

It's the same reason why we embark on great runs of form and as soon as we get into contention for anything we go to shit again. The players can't handle the pressure.
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I agree but why is the emphasis of this post only on the players and not the manager ?
 
Tonight had shades of Sevilla for certain in that you just can't believe we've conspired to lose the game. No other decent side would ever create that many chances and lose 3-1. At one point in the 2nd half I was annoyed we weren't 4-1 up. And we lost 3-1. It's just laughable. Also no other decent side would have a walking red card left on the pitch for him to inevitably be sent off.
 
Okey said:
Bottlers cos we lost this game??? Oh come on...any team could have lost to PSG. And we had enough chances to actually beat them. Yes, you might call missing those chances bottling but I'll disagree. This was always a game we could have lost. If we don't make it through, it'll be because we lost in Istanbul and the other teams won there. After all, we won in Paris.
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The reason you guys are still trophyless since Mourinho left are because you guys were bottlers. We were once bottlers but we have serial winner now as manager so hopefully things change.
 
eire-red said:
The first match against Istanbul is where we threw control of the group away. Anyone can lose to a team like PSG, and the manner of the defeat flatters them in the context of the game.

It'll be hugely disappointing if we don't to through, but you can't label us as bottlers after tonight. If we beat RB Leipzig we finish joint top of the group in what's far and away the toughest group.
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Spot on
 
Weird shit after every defeat, maybe I just see things differently but I thought we played pretty well tonight, things flipped in a crazy minute, that's football, I still remember Mourinho as our manager which killed any enthusiasm I had for our games, there are issues at the club from top to bottom we all know that but at least we play some decent football now.
 
Devil may care said:
Weird shit after every defeat, maybe I just see things differently but I thought we played pretty well tonight, things flipped in a crazy minute, that's football, I still remember Mourinho as our manager which killed any enthusiasm I had for our games, there are issues at the club from top to bottom we all know that but at least we play some decent football now.
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Yeah playing some decent stuff but need to put our chances away
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
We might be but one thing for sure is that we need competition for places.

DDG is almost back to his best when his position was under threat from Dean.

Shaw was also performing well with the addition of Telles.

Our entire midfield has improved overall given the competition.

The front line though.. no starting RW, Cavani only here for a couple of years and is 33. No proper LW as well. Look how Martial and Rashford(to some extent) are resting on their laurels. We need someone like Haaland to light a fire under these otherwise the consistency will never be there.

Sick of Martial tbh.
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I think we're the only teams whose players need competition in order for them to perform.

Other teams have backups.

If our players mentality is they're only playing for their spot and not for their team i think that's a big flaw in personality
 
I disagreed with this thread at first and while I'm not sure that we are bottlers, this team definitely doesn't have a winners mentality.

In 2020, the highest pressure moments have been, our four semi finals, PL game away at Leicester to secure 4th place and the last two CL games vs PSG and RBL. We came out winners in only one of these situations. Now we didn't bottle all of these but something is clearly wrong with this team's ability to win when the stakes are high.

We did very well to get to the top of the PL and once the expectation started to mount we crumble a bit. This forum rightfully takes the piss out of Spurs and their mentality but we seem to be a bit spursy ourselves.
 
Ali Dia said:
Bottlers to me just means we are still lacking too much quality in key positions. We don’t play with enough quality to win. That’s the main problem.
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That's pretty much it.

The facts are that we have achieved a high table position based on the following truths :

1. We have enough star quality in the team, who, singularly or in tandem, are capable of winning games with moments in individual or collective brilliance.
2. We have (for the most part) enough players in the squad with a good work-ethic and strong mentality in order to see through tough and close encounters.
 
Hoof The Ball said:
That's pretty much it.

The facts are that we have achieved a high table position based on the following truths :

1. We have enough star quality in the team, who, singularly or in tandem, are capable of winning games with moments in individual or collective brilliance.
2. We have (for the most part) enough players in the squad with a good work-ethic and strong mentality in order to see through tough and close encounters.
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exactly. None of these lads want to be choking no matter how lazy they look on the pitch but the mix of the team still isn’t right. If we had more ambitious owners I think we’d have had a right crack at it this year but I still think we are a bit ahead of schedule so I’m happy enough. I want Ole as the manager but we still need a few signings in important positions to give us the tools to be able to get to the next level and start dominating and winning convincingly if that’s the genuine goal.Will the board sanction that? Is it just top 4 they want? It’s going to cost but I trust Ole (and Fergie) to find the right players if the money is there.
 
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El Jefe said:
I disagreed with this thread at first and while I'm not sure that we are bottlers, this team definitely doesn't have a winners mentality.

In 2020, the highest pressure moments have been, our four semi finals, PL game away at Leicester to secure 4th place and the last two CL games vs PSG and RBL. We came out winners in only one of these situations. Now we didn't bottle all of these but something is clearly wrong with this team's ability to win when the stakes are high.

We did very well to get to the top of the PL and once the expectation started to mount we crumble a bit. This forum rightfully takes the piss out of Spurs and their mentality but we seem to be a bit spursy ourselves.
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We were wank against Leicester too, nervy as feck and lucky.

We are big time bottle jobs.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
I’d argue the exact opposite, when we under pressure to get a result we often pull it out of the bag, it’s when we’re expected to win and the pressure drops, when we’re goddamned awful.

Agree, but the better sides we play sometimes we are very good for long periods of games , they lack the believe I think they can win these bigger games. And like you said they can be awful if they think the pressure is off.
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Anyone with the opinions stated in this thread title are absolute cancers to any group that try to achieve something and should be avoided at all costs. Stop dragging everyone down in your pit of misery.
 
Saying we are bottlers is saying we are not getting the results we should be getting, and that's not true. We are pretty much where we should be.

We had a good period and now we have dropped from that.
 
Upon reading the thread title I thought “bullshit” but then reflecting a little while, it might be right.

4 semi finals in 12 months, top of the UCL group and lost 2 games when a point would have been enough, including going 0-3 down early on to an average Leipzig side. Then getting top spot in the league only to lose to bottom of the league.

Hopefully it doesn’t become something expected of them, as we’ve seen how it’s impacted Spurs over the years.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
I’d argue the exact opposite, when we under pressure to get a result we often pull it out of the bag, it’s when we’re expected to win and the pressure drops, when we’re goddamned awful.
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Completely agree. We’ve also had 7 away comebacks in the league and have taken far more points than anyone from losing positions (21). Honestly think our collective mental strength is fine. Failing to get wins from the Leipzig, Sheff Utd and Arsenal games isn’t down to bottling, it’s down to horrific profligacy in chance conversion, bad individual performances and unimpressive tactics.
 
Does anyone else think it's not just the Spurs mentality we seem to have, but also fatigue setting in mid-season as per last season due to a small squad lacking quality depth?
 
We've won a ridiculous amount of points away from home from losing positions, but yeah, we're mentally weak. Dogshit thread.
 
RashyForPM said:
Completely agree. We’ve also had 7 away comebacks in the league and have taken far more points than anyone from losing positions (21). Honestly think our collective mental strength is fine. Failing to get wins from the Leipzig, Sheff Utd and Arsenal games isn’t down to bottling, it’s down to horrific profligacy in chance conversion, bad individual performances and unimpressive tactics.
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I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that, although that could be the case for Arsenal with some great chances wasted. I just believe far too many in our squad who switch off in the lesser games.

Look at the Sheff Utd match, no team that is switched on would allow any opposition player so much time in our box and give him two bites at the shot. It just stunk of, ‘we’ll be OK it’s only Olly Burke!’ or, ‘don’t worry lads it’s only Sheffield United, we'll get a couple.’
 
ivaldo said:
We've won a ridiculous amount of points away from home from losing positions, but yeah, we're mentally weak. Dogshit thread.
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How else could you explain Wednesday night then if not for poor mentality?
 
ivaldo said:
We've won a ridiculous amount of points away from home from losing positions, but yeah, we're mentally weak. Dogshit thread.
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We are clearly mentally weak. The amount of semi finals and must win games where we have failed to perform is more than enough to confirm this.

Beating bottom half teams from a goal down in the premiership midway through the season does not hide the fact when the pressure is really on our players cannot handle it.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that, although that could be the case for Arsenal with some great chances wasted. I just believe far too many in our squad who switch off in the lesser games.

Look at the Sheff Utd match, no team that is switched on would allow any opposition player so much time in our box and give him two bites at the shot. It just stunk of, ‘we’ll be OK it’s only Olly Burke!’ or, ‘don’t worry lads it’s only Sheffield United, we'll get a couple.’
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That’s actually what I’m saying. We go into games, even some that we won like Fulham, with an arrogant attitude as if we’ll win playing half-arsed. No concentration whatsoever.
 
RashyForPM said:
Completely agree. We’ve also had 7 away comebacks in the league and have taken far more points than anyone from losing positions (21). Honestly think our collective mental strength is fine. Failing to get wins from the Leipzig, Sheff Utd and Arsenal games isn’t down to bottling, it’s down to horrific profligacy in chance conversion, bad individual performances and unimpressive tactics.
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Doesn’t coming from behind also sort of suggest we play better with the pressure off. It’s only when we go a goal down and we’ve nothing to lose that we play with freedom.
 
We can't get the right players in during transfer windows, biggest issue right there.
 
ivaldo said:
We've won a ridiculous amount of points away from home from losing positions, but yeah, we're mentally weak. Dogshit thread.
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Pressure is off when you fall behind. You’ve got nothing to lose so we start to commit bodies forward.
 
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