Captain, again. Apparently - https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ster-united-stay-captain-content-forward-role
Not happy.
Wayne Rooney, The Midfield General? Mourinho Says No.
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Captain, again. Apparently - https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ster-united-stay-captain-content-forward-role
Not happy.
if we don't qualify for CL this year we stand to lose shedloads of money don't we? that's their bigger picture, its all about results. And if we do well without him, nobody cares
Let's hope this doesn't mean he always play.
Then again, who else would you name as captain?
We constantly heard Van Gaal wouldn't take any crap from players and had the balls to drop Rooney and that proved incorrect. I just hope the same doesn't happen again with Rooney managing to worm his way into the side under Mourinho even when he is totally out of form.
De Gea or Smalling
Dunno, somebody i don't want to sell. From the outside there doesn't seem to be many candidates. Nobody on the team seems too vocal or likely to push the other lads, while having enough experience under their belt. Zlatan's got the character but he likely won't be around too long and we don't know how he will perform.
If we do not sign any other forwards, is it a risk going in with Zlatan, Rooney and Rashford as our only out and out strikers?
Martial is a striker too.
I don't see the issue especially if we are going to play 1 striker up top most the time.
Schweinsteiger. World Cup winning captain. It's a no brainer.
I'm glad Mourinho sees sense. This "Rooney as a CM" experiment is embarrassing. He gives one Hollywood ball to Valencia and everyone starts calling him the English Pirlo. It's honestly cringe.
Well those comments have certainly cemented even more of my trust in Mourinho and his ability to lead and manage this club going forward. He has echoed statements I myself (and a couple of others, shoutouts!) have made on this forum. Rooney isn't a six, he isn't an eight and especially that playing him 50m from goal is utterly pointless. If you are going to get a meaningful contribution out of Rooney then I see playing him as close to goal as possible and have him contribute with goals and assists as the far more logical prospect than pushing him further from goal and have him pretend to be something he obviously isn't.
A very sensible insight into what Mourinho is planning.
A very sensible insight into what Mourinho is planning.
Personally I think he's been decent in midfield but, by no means ever should have been our main midfielder going forward. But, even Fergie played him there. That Jose does not see him as a CM does not make anyone here right or wrong on whether Rooney can play in CM. He's just got other plans for him and like he said he prefers specialists - so it's not surprising he'll never use him there even though he is versatile enough to do so.
Do you also think he is done as a player ? Because this world class manager thinks of him as England's best player and still sees him as a goal scorer for us and there are enough that argue he should be shipped off and not good enough, probably lot of the same people that don't want him in as a midfielder.
Glad to hear that.
Rooney will have to be far better than ever in order to play in that position.
What is intersting, is that Mourinho will play a 4 2 3 1 with "specialist", and not jokes like Van Gaal did.
Rooney is more natural in this position, but is now weaker than Mata, works less than Herrera
Rooney will have to be far better than ever in order to play in that position.
What is intersting, is that Mourinho will play a 4 2 3 1 with "specialist", and not jokes like Van Gaal did.
Rooney is more natural in this position, but is now weaker than Mata, works less than Herrera
How many times did you watch the press conference to come up with that explanation?
The question wasn't whether Rooney can play in CM but whether he can be good enough for a top team there. What his critics were saying is that Rooney ain't Scholes and never could be great for United in CM. They were very sceptical of Rooney's reinvention as a midfielder. Mourinho agrees, ovbiously.
Further, Mourinho hasn't said that Rooney is the best English player now.
That Mourinho sees him as a No 10 or a No 9 implies only that he intends to use him in such roles and not that he will be a regualr starter for United. Obviously, Mourinho wouldn't say that Rooney is past it even if he thinks it.
Whether or not Jose still thinks Wayne has something to add as an attacker and is wasted in midfield.. the way he made that remark about the passing was a clear jibe. You don't say that unless you are sending a statement to a player that he's not going to be treated well under your regime. It's a huge step in the right direction compared to the non stop arselicking he's had since Fergie retired.
That is what we all hope for but let's see about that. I believe it when I see it
That is what we all hope for but let's see about that. I believe it when I see it
The biggest hint for me that he will struggle to get into the side is the potential signing of Pogba.
For me Rooney has no chance of making it in the team as a 9 while Zlatan is fit and Rashford keeps doing what he is doing.
Pogba operates best in a 3 and as an attacking mid.. so for me the only way him and Rooney can play is if we go 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 against weak relegation foddee at home. So it really limits the amount of playing time Wayne will get imo.
Urghhhhhhh
Cant wait for the day we get rid, one of the most average players of current day, who seemingly has to have a role in our starting eleven, just terrible.
My thoughts exactly. I think he's going to be angry and confused for a lot of this season.
Maybe Zlatan's arrogance/experience could unhinge Rooney also.
Seems that Martial will play on the wing. Doubt he will play through the middle.
1. Mourinho publicly ridicules Rooney's own statements that his future is in midfield.
2. Rooney fans take this as praise and support for Rooney.
You just can't argue with that logic, it's bulletproof.
Genuine question..
How has Rooney been allowed to decline so much?
He is still only 30, with all the modern technology and World Class coaches at his disposal, you'd think he wouldn't have been able to decline so rapidly as still a fairly young age. If anything, he should be at his prime or just on a very slight downward curve
But just watch a match from between 06-11 and compare it to the Rooney of now, it is jaw dropping how much he has declined
How has Rooney been allowed to decline so much?
He is still only 30, with all the modern technology and World Class coaches at his disposal, you'd think he wouldn't have been able to decline so rapidly as still a fairly young age. If anything, he should be at his prime or just on a very slight downward curve
But just watch a match from between 06-11 and compare it to the Rooney of now, it is jaw dropping how much he has declined
1) His body clock is that of a 34 year old. His body is shot from all those games from the age of.
2) As a PT, I don't think he has really looked after himself as much as he could have done.
3) He has been over hyped at crucial points of his career and maybe believed in the hype way too much.
I agree to the extent that he is a 6/10 midfielder. His CM season was nowhere near as good as Drinkwaters and I don't recall Rooney having a spell in CM where he was as effective as players like Nolan or Drinkwater, yet Rooney will always play on rep regardless so it is better to push him up top where he will actually have to perform and score goals to get minutes as opposed to being a 6/10 CM
I get the feeling that most didn't actually watch the press conference and read bits on twitter.
I watched it and it seemed to me that he doesn't believe Rooney can be effective enough in midfield.
Although you are right he also is saying he wants him closer to the goal, and that is what he is good at, scoring goals.
He has over 700 career games under his belt.
I could list other players who have also played as many but haven't declined as dramatically
Don't think it's a matter of how he's been allowed to decline. That can be put down to a number of factors; the sheer number of games he's played, and the fact that his explosive physicality always papered over his deficiencies which are on full display now. The problem now is that our last 2 managers have refused to deal with this reality and have propped him up to be an undroppable figure to be shoehorned into the team, to the detriment of others and the club as a whole.
I've just been texted by the club to buy tickets for rooney's testimonial. However, it is not being advertised as such. The text reads, 'Manutd.com/tickets or call 01614592016 to buy tickets now for Jose Mourinho's first match at Old Trafford v Everton (Wed 3 August)'. Quite telling that the club realise that Jose will sell more than Wayne.
I have feeling rooney Will be our torres when mourinho manage Chelsea.. He will make us fail the title in the first season..
We sell him in 2nd season buy main striker from atletico (griezmann) and won the epl title in 2nd season..
We sell him in 2nd season buy main striker from atletico (griezmann) and won the epl title in 2nd season..
The Mou watches the Roo:
DDG would be my only suggestion apart from Rooney but then he's not very vocal.
Same with Smalling, except he's less as a guarantee to start.
Schweinsteiger isn't likely to start most game and Zlatan is far too new to be made captain.
you cant do anything about genetics, he just has that natural body shape. Ferguson even mentioned these concerns in his book, and that was when Rooney was around 27. Compared to a Becks or Giggs who were naturally lean and not carrying a big frame
For the last world cup he did get in shape and was the slimmest he has ever been, but with that went his strength
What about Carrick? With rooney schwei and smalling as vice captains.
I can see Carrick starting a few games if he stays fit
I don't want to sound like a broken record but genetics should not be a big excuse for a paid professional with all the sport science. As a PT, I have seen people who thought they had terrible genetics getting super fit with easily accessible support. The difference is that they had to work extra harder than the average Joe. I have known amateur athletes on a small pay, designate a sizeable chunk of their wages to keeping fit and being in top shape. Some had to spend money to get the best treatment to get rid of habits like smoking, drinking and diet control, and these guys have no dream of playing with the big boys.
Every athlete, especially the highly paid ones have a responsibility to themselves and owe the fans to do ALL they can to keep fit all year round. If you know that your playing career will last at most 20 years after which you will retire and do whatever you want with your body, is it not worth it while earning millions per year. People poke fun at Ronaldo for his looks and regime but he is doing ALL he can to keep in tip top shape. I think in the Euros, he has clocked the most minutes before the Euros started, yet he is still clocking serious miles up till the Euro final.
I wrote an article a while back on how Messi, as good as he is, has a super strict diet, changing it every season. Even Aguero said that Messi suggested his diet and personal routine to him and he took it on board. I also remember Craig Bellamy doing the same thing, he hired a personal fitness coach that followed him every where, even to the training ground at City. No wonder he tore us apart and Fergie wanted to sign him. Giggs and Rio also took up yoga at their peak.
My friends and I have considered Rooney's physique for some years and while it may be good enough to pass the minimum fitness tests he could have done more to prolong his career definitely. He is not the only player to have this "genetics" issue, neither is he the first to have clocked up such body mileage or played as many games so I don't think it is good enough to put in the "Rooney excuse box". I know that they have personal lives but @ £300k/w, spending £30k/a foro a personal trainer to keep you on top is not too much.
Ps. Has anyone seen the beef'd up Lingard lately?
I'm sure he could have done more but then I'm sure that's the case for most footballers.
Rooney has played about the same number of games as Craig Bellamy did upon retirement. About the same as Beckham did before semi retiring in America. More than Gary Neville did when he called it a day and about the same as Scholes. More than Vidic and almost as many as Rio.
You'd probably consider some of those to be top professionals yet their bodies could no longer keep going at the equivalent games to what Rooney has now clocked up.
He's simply reached retirement age in terms of games played.