Not cut out to be a manager
Wayne Rooney | Leaves Plymouth by Mutual Consent
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
Feel for Wazza but no matter how many times he tries, maybe him wanting to be a (successful) football manager just isn't working out.
Such a shame. Would have loved for him to be a successful manager and at some point manage us.
Yeah he’s such a shining example of professionalism
A couple of pints with the lads before a game would get the spirit high, though.
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Brilliant timing.
Whilst the evidence certainly suggests that Wayne is never going to make it as a manager it has to be acknowledged that he has not once taken a job that gave him a decent chance of success. A lot of what happened before Plymouth was not down to him but in light of those prior experiences it was a very poor decision to take on such an incredibly tough challenge this time around, he would have done better to take more time rehabbing his reputation working as a pundit and wait for a job where for once he could work without one hand tied behind his back. I think this might be the end of the road for his Managerial ambitions unless he is willing to drop all the way down the pyramid and work his way up or take a job in a supporting role at a successful team to gain the experience he needs.
He could live stream playing Football Manager.
Phelan lasted a week longer than I expected.
He was set to relegate 3rd team to League One. Safe to say management isn't his thing.
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I would really like him to come back here as a coach.
I also saw a post that apparently he’s forgoing any payout as part of his agreement to leave. If that’s true, that’s a very classy move from him, much more so than most other managers.
I also saw a post that apparently he’s forgoing any payout as part of his agreement to leave. If that’s true, that’s a very classy move from him, much more so than most other managers.
Don't think management is for him, somehow.
Punditry, perhaps?
Punditry, perhaps?
Supposedly he was spotted around the pubs and clubs of Plymouth a bit more often than you'd want from your manager, which doesn't sound encouraging.
If he genuinely wants to have a career in football management, he needs to take himself out of the firing line and drop down to assistant for a few years and learn his trade, otherwise, it’s punditry at best
He hasn’t ever been given a stable or big club like others.
Derby job was derby - horrendous without the shite and points deductions etc they would have stayed up.
Dc united were the worst team in mls they obviously have their rules for transfers etc wasn’t ever gonna rip shit up.
Birmingham was silly they were in a false position when he got the job maybe shouldn’t have took it.
But Plymouth are a league 2 team playing in the championship. If they finish 21st it’s an achievement - feck 23rd is an achievement. He had brought Mike phelan in knowing he needs help hasn’t been giving a chance to let it work.
I am convinced if he gets a job with a stable board and good set up he would be a success.
Failing that I’d love him to be in our back room staff and teach some ethics
Derby job was derby - horrendous without the shite and points deductions etc they would have stayed up.
Dc united were the worst team in mls they obviously have their rules for transfers etc wasn’t ever gonna rip shit up.
Birmingham was silly they were in a false position when he got the job maybe shouldn’t have took it.
But Plymouth are a league 2 team playing in the championship. If they finish 21st it’s an achievement - feck 23rd is an achievement. He had brought Mike phelan in knowing he needs help hasn’t been giving a chance to let it work.
I am convinced if he gets a job with a stable board and good set up he would be a success.
Failing that I’d love him to be in our back room staff and teach some ethics
Did I miss something? Who's been shagging who?
Could he replace Hojlund in the interim?
our ex players need to be a assistant manager or at least a coach to gain experience and knowledge, not just jump into management ! Gary Neville comes to mind 
It is pretty damning that so many top players from Rooneys era have been awful at being a manager, (including Neville, Lampard and Gerrard as part of that, probably a good few more I cant think of).
That being said some of the job choices have been pretty bad.
That being said some of the job choices have been pretty bad.
That’s part of it though I think - so wealthy that he really doesn’t need management to work out for him. So it’s more a hobby.
Back to the Sky studio for Wayne. I just don’t see one of the highest profile ex players and multi millionaire managing in the football league. Happy to be proven wrong but I just don’t get it.
Smokes like a chimney, drinks like a fish, and is the size of a small car. Which current player will take him seriously?
At this point, he's not going to be offered a job at a stable club that has a sensible board.
Unless he wants to be an assistant somewhere, joining a chaotic shit show and turning things around is his only route.
Just speculation. Some pictures came out the other day from a pub in Plymouth, Rooney sitting with 2 women. Nothing too incriminating.
He also had a go on the karaoke, there's video of him singing.
Apparently it was a from a little while ago.
Ah thank you.
What was unstable about Birmingham? He got 0.67 points per game, absolutely abysmal. There is no excuse. 2 wins in 15 matches, with a team better than that. They did better before and after him last season.
I'm shocked he didn't take up acting
Birmingham for some reason sacked a coach who was doing well and was seemingly liked by the players and replaced him with Rooney. That had disaster written all over it, it was never going to work for anyone, it was stupid of him to even go there.
With Plymouth, it's a no win situation, they're probably going down regardless of who the manager is.
Derby was the same, a dog fight with no chance of really being successful. I get that it was a sort of a free hit, but it's another no win situation.
MLS, same shite, weaker club fighting against the odds to try and move up.
Either these are the only jobs he gets offered or he goes out of the way to look for hardship and difficult jobs. Don't see him getting many more opportunities.
Think unfortunately for him that although I think he did a decent job with Derby/DC, neither were amazing jobs which you really need to have when you couple them with the Birmingham/Plymouth disasters. He's had an uphill struggle at every club but ultimately he's chosen to take those positions on and if you don't succeed at them you'll find it really hard to get back into work again.
It’s never a good time to go into any job though, 99.9% of the time the job is only vacant because they sacked the last guy for getting them in the shit. If you wait for the perfect role you end up being out of the game for 15 years like Roy Keane, and you’ll never get back in.
Which of these clubs did better with him than without him, because I know several were better off without him.
I don't doubt other people did better jobs, but these are all clubs where the job he chosen to go into has been under different sets of difficult circumstances. Ones where a coach of his experience is never really going to prosper.
According to Argyle fans, by agreeing to mutual consent he has given up the right to any compensation over leaving, which allows Plymouth to strengthen in the transfer window. Though they accept he wasn't good enough and had to go, there's a lot of love for Rooney in Plymouth.
Well when a manager goes usually things are going really badly or really well. It's very rarely a great situation like Liverpool.
Without a doubt he has good intentions and I bet he puts in a lot of effort.
There is indeed. Plymouth are my 2nd team and it was only really Oxford away where the fans felt enough was enough.
By all accounts his player management skills were excellent and many of the players liked him so I don't think it was a case of him ever losing the dressing room and makes me think an assistant gig might be a future role for Rooney.
On the pitch he had the team playing good football in possession. Unfortunately there wasn't enough upfront (a bit like United) and defensively Plymouth have been shambolic to say the least.
The club are punching above their weight currently but the board are ambitious and hope to become an established Championship club. That may take a few relegation / promotions to achieve (if it's achieved). DoF has gone as well so think the rest of this season could be a tough watch.
I feel it reflects his playing style - not in quality obviously, he was a truly magnificent player, but he always seemed willing to do the hard yards and play the role of almost two players on the pitch. Had he been a bit more selfish I'd argue he'd have even more personal accolades than he got! In management too he seems to have taken sacrificial jobs where there's really very little in it in terms of fun.
He should be an assistant or part of coaching staff for one of the top managers, if he can find a role like that. You’d think that would be a better learning experience than these Pulis/Dyche type jobs he keeps taking.
I'm not saying he's better, just that he seems to either deliberately go for shit jobs or only be offered shit jobs.
At Derby, Cocu was sacked with them bottom of the table, Rooney took over as interim player manager and they just about stayed up. They had 21 pts deducted in his second season, without that point deduction they would have been comfortably in mid table.
DC Utd finished were fairly crap before he arrived and they did slightly better with him. They are still fairly crap.
Birmingham were doing well, sacked the manager out of nowhere and appointed Rooney. He did shite, but that was never going to work.
Plymouth, it looks like they really overachieved for a couple of years, avoided relegation by 1 point. It wasn't a job he was going to do well in, they needed a more experienced head in there to set them up to focus on staying up first of all. He was never going to do well there.
He's not picked good jobs.