[Born2Lose]

why does it matter if they are pregnant?

I can't help feeling sorry for Rooney's son, in the world we live in he's eventually going to find out his dad was shagging prostitutes just before he was born.

Don't get me wrong though, Giggs went down a mile in my estimation too but on the flip side his attitude on the pitch was never in question.

Rooney's been on a downward spiral for a few years now.

 

[paulscholes18]

I read that was our first goal away from home this season in the PL vs a top 6 team, surely not?

Liverpool 0-0
Arsenal 2-0
Chelsea 4-0
City 0-0

 

[Sylar]

He's actually being blamed for where we finished this season? He's barely even featured, he's anything but the problem.

But hes still a problem which has needed to be addressed for nearly 4 years.
Forgetting this season, if were talking about a club, weve needed to move him on to improve this team rather than trying to shoe-horn in him in every position available, but then make excuses; he would be better in a different position, or he needs runners around him, or he needs better players, or whatever excuse has come up.

IMO, United overall have played better football when he hasnt been in the team. (but the problem has been in front of goal). Sadly some of the games hes come on to try and fix that but weve seen how its gone.
Today we kinda played better once we got him out the way and stuck him up front.

The biggest defence for Rooney this season has been "well, he wasnt as bad as player X" which says it all.
Hes not disciplined enough for our team, and the bigger problem is hes not a true captain. His idea of being a captain is running after the ref, screaming or banging down or whatever. He cant lead by example and I would find it tough to listen to him after the way he screamed at his colleagues against Leicester a few years ago, when he was the one that made the mistake for it to go to 3-3.

Thank you for your contribution Rooney, but its sad watching him try to play football.
The truth is we have better or more promising players in every position that he could or should play.

 

[wr8_utd]

But hes still a problem which has needed to be addressed for nearly 4 years.
Forgetting this season, if were talking about a club, weve needed to move him on to improve this team rather than trying to shoe-horn in him in every position available, but then make excuses; he would be better in a different position, or he needs runners around him, or he needs better players, or whatever excuse has come up.

IMO, United overall have played better football when he hasnt been in the team. (but the problem has been in front of goal). Sadly some of the games hes come on to try and fix that but weve seen how its gone.
Today we kinda played better once we got him out the way and stuck him up front.

The biggest defence for Rooney this season has been "well, he wasnt as bad as player X" which says it all.
Hes not disciplined enough for our team, and the bigger problem is hes not a true captain. His idea of being a captain is running after the ref, screaming or banging down or whatever. He cant lead by example and I would find it tough to listen to him after the way he screamed at his colleagues against Leicester a few years ago, when he was the one that made the mistake for it to go to 3-3.

Thank you for your contribution Rooney, but its sad watching him try to play football.
The truth is we have better or more promising players in every position that he could or should play.

He really isn't a problem because he's only playing meaningless deab rubbers or when absolutely everyone is injured. Him being here or not barely makes any difference really.

 

[Sylar]

He really isn't a problem because he's only playing meaningless deab rubbers or when absolutely everyone is injured. Him being here or not barely makes any difference really.

Or hes one of the first to be subbed on and contributes nothing. If were going stats, hes made 36 appearances this season.

If you think hes not a problem, theres not much more I can say. But then again, given your username im not surprised.

 

[Vashu]

Rooney's performance today was like dog shit with a cherry on top of it.

 

[wr8_utd]

Or hes one of the first to be subbed on and contributes nothing. If were going stats, hes made 36 appearances this season.

If you think hes not a problem, theres not much more I can say. But then again, given your username im not surprised.

I have countless times said he doesn't deserve to start or even be on the bench anymore when everyone is fit but he really is not the reason we're rubbish. We've drawn countless games where he's not even been involved. I love Rooney yes but the hate is just OTT. You really can't blame a guy for a team's poor performances when he's not even part of most important games at all anymore.

 

[Sylar]

I have countless times said he doesn't deserve to start or even be on the bench anymore when everyone is fit but he really is not the reason we're rubbish. We've drawn countless games where he's not even been involved. I love Rooney yes but the hate is just OTT. You really can't blame a guy for a team's poor performances when he's not even part of most important games at all anymore.

As I said, hes not THE problem, hes A problem.

Your response was he really isnt a problem. If that was the case, then you wouldnt say he doesnt deserve to start or be on the bench.

Hes A problem, because hes not just any other player. Hes the captain and the highest wage earner for us.

Much like we had to move on Keane, or Ruud for the betterment of the team, we have needed to do the same with Rooney for about 4 years.

 

[wr8_utd]

As I said, hes not THE problem, hes A problem.

Your response was he really isnt a problem. If that was the case, then you wouldnt say he doesnt deserve to start or be on the bench.

Hes A problem, because hes not just any other player. Hes the captain and the highest wage earner for us.

Much like we had to move on Keane, or Ruud for the betterment of the team, we have needed to do the same with Rooney for about 4 years.

Yeah he might be one of the many problems (poor finishing, Lingard, no winger etc) but this forum would make you believe he's the reason for our downfall and all you need to do is take him out of the team and we'll be champions. It's definitely not the case. Him being here or not really is not going to change much of our fortunes for the better or worse

 

[dichinero]

As I said, hes not THE problem, hes A problem.

It's bigger than A problem. The fact that the last couple of managers have put a blind trust in him has seriously inhibited us big time. A Rooney-less United would have undoubtedly force our hands to fill the position of Captain, poster boy, top earners with a better player or better players.

 

[wr8_utd]

It's bigger than A problem. The fact that the last couple of managers have put a blind trust in him has seriously inhibited us big time. A Rooney-less United would have undoubtedly force our hands to fill the position of Captain, poster boy, top earners with a better player or better players.

We've done that with Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhi. We're still nowhere better in terms of league position.

 

[spwd]

So it was another silent domination type of thing. He gets attributed a goal because of his movement distracting a player and them putting it into their own net? Doesn't matter that he didn't touch it, doesn't matter that it was Martial that did all the work and was the one that actually whipped it across into a nigh on impossible area to defend it.

Ghost foot Rooney.

Nice one

Rooney's performance today was like dog shit with a cherry on top of it.

Or a £10 note covered in dogshit

 

[Sylar]

Yeah he might be one of the many problems (poor finishing, Lingard, no winger etc) but this forum would make you believe he's the reason for our downfall and all you need to do is take him out of the team and we'll be champions. It's definitely not the case. Him being here or not really is not going to change much of our fortunes for the better or worse

But its a start which really needed to be made a few years ago.

It's bigger than A problem. The fact that the last couple of managers have put a blind trust in him has seriously inhibited us big time. A Rooney-less United would have undoubtedly force our hands to fill the position of Captain, poster boy, top earners with a better player or better players.

i dont necessarily disagree with that. I do think with him around, its stops us from progressing as a club though.

 

[ZAGREB RED]

Sorry, keep saying it, he has been a great player for United over the years, but he needs to go in the summer. At 31, a lot of players are still in their prime but he offers little or nothing for the huge wage he is picking up.

 

[dichinero]

We've done that with Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhi. We're still nowhere better in terms of league position.

Which is why we have not heavily invested in a long term goalscorer because Rooney is still at the club. At least José spotted that and tried with Zlatan

 

[Jaybomb]

He was terrible today but to be honest, I'm tired of complaining about him. We all know he's shit and past it, lets just hope he doesn't stay beyond this season cause he offers us nothing on the pitch.

 

[The Hacker]

Fergie knew he needed selling way back. Moyes bottled it then LVG Did too. Fergie put the club, the aim of the club way higher than almost any player. Moyes and LVG both put player or probably more accurately how they are perceived by the players ahead of the club.

That was Fergie strength. He could move on from player to player because he had the clubs interest at heart, and only that.

I hope Mour can do the same this summer. Wayne, as much of a club legend he is (and he is) he really needs the decision made for him because he won't make it himself.

 

[Jonno]

He's absolutely finished at the top level. He looks like a retired player jogging around in a testimonial.

He looks as frustrated as anyone, but maybe he should have tried harder to stay fit this last 5 or 6 years. I've read Fergies books and it sounds like he was always making sure Rooney was staying fit, seems he's dropped off since Fergie departed and he got his contract, bravo Moyes.

Stick any retired striker still in his 30s in the box and he will nick a goal like he did today.

 

[PepsiCola]

Yeah he might be one of the many problems (poor finishing, Lingard, no winger etc) but this forum would make you believe he's the reason for our downfall and all you need to do is take him out of the team and we'll be champions. It's definitely not the case. Him being here or not really is not going to change much of our fortunes for the better or worse

He is quite symbolic of our downfall, at least.

The start of what I refer to as the 'banter period' of United's history will always by synonymous with our slip up giving him a ridiculous contract and not moving him on when SAF set it up for us to do so, perfectly.

 

[Dobbs]

He really isn't a problem because he's only playing meaningless deab rubbers or when absolutely everyone is injured. Him being here or not barely makes any difference really.

Which is in itself a problem. The purpose of having a player is for them to make a difference.

 

[Jonno]

He really isn't a problem because he's only playing meaningless deab rubbers or when absolutely everyone is injured. Him being here or not barely makes any difference really.

I'd take a fit and able striker to come off the bench though than Wayne Rooney.

 

[wr8_utd]

I'd take a fit and able striker to come off the bench though than Wayne Rooney.

I don't see too many fit and able strikers who would have come to play second fiddle to Zlatan though. Rooney's not taking anyone's spot because when everyone is fit, he often finds himself "injured" and not in the squad anyway.

 

[NinjaZombie]

Yeah he might be one of the many problems (poor finishing, Lingard, no winger etc) but this forum would make you believe he's the reason for our downfall and all you need to do is take him out of the team and we'll be champions. It's definitely not the case. Him being here or not really is not going to change much of our fortunes for the better or worse

I can't say I've seen anyone make this argument here.

 

[spwd]

He's absolutely finished at the top level. He looks like a retired player jogging around in a testimonial.

He looks as frustrated as anyone, but maybe he should have tried harder to stay fit this last 5 or 6 years. I've read Fergies books and it sounds like he was always making sure Rooney was staying fit, seems he's dropped off since Fergie departed and he got his contract, bravo Moyes.

Stick any retired striker still in his 30s in the box and he will nick a goal like he did today.

Exactly, I'm 100% positive if we had Defoe instead he would get a shit load more than Rooney does.

I can't say I've seen anyone make this argument here.

Nobody is blaming him completely for our downfall but he is symbolic of it and he is a major problem on and off the field which will be over at the end of the season because there's absolutely no way he will be here next season , thanks for the memories but you need to go Wayne.

 

[Sylar]

I don't see too many fit and able strikers who would have come to play second fiddle to Zlatan though. Rooney's not taking anyone's spot because when everyone is fit, he often finds himself "injured" and not in the squad anyway.

So basically, youre happy with him just being part of United, being captain, top earner, whilst not being a starter or even on the bench (or the squad), as he doesnt make a difference either way...

Interesting.

 

[Red_toad]

We've done that with Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhi. We're still nowhere better in terms of league position.

Stop talking sense, it's all Rooney's fault

 

[Jonno]

I don't see too many fit and able strikers who would have come to play second fiddle to Zlatan though. Rooney's not taking anyone's spot because when everyone is fit, he often finds himself "injured" and not in the squad anyway.

Next season we will, and it won't be Rooney. I'd take Defoe over Wayne, and I've been a Rooney fan for his entire time here.

 

[manunited1919]

We've done that with Pogba, Zlatan and Mkhi. We're still nowhere better in terms of league position.

We would be possibly in top 4 were it not for the Europa League and fixture congestion. We also would be if we could finish our chances. Last year we were not even creating chances, while this year our problem has been finishing. There has been a massive improvement.

 

[BenjaminP]

His physical attributes are no where near top level. Simple as that.
Seems like Mourinho is the only manager since Moyes who acknowledges that, and giving Rooney less and less role in the team which is a good sign.
He's surely off this summer, so there's really no need to discuss further. We can then use his wage bill to attract other players.

 

[Sky1981]

His physical attributes are no where near top level. Simple as that.
Seems like Mourinho is the only manager since Moyes who acknowledges that, and giving Rooney less and less role in the team which is a good sign.
He's surely off this summer, so there's really no need to discuss further. We can then use his wage bill to attract other players.

This is good

WANTED: Striker to replace Rooney. You can have his salary

 

[wr8_utd]

We would be possibly in top 4 were it not for the Europa League and fixture congestion. We also would be if we could finish our chances. Last year we were not even creating chances, while this year our problem has been finishing. There has been a massive improvement.

We've consistently drawn matches through the season. Can't really blame it all on Europa.

Next season we will, and it won't be Rooney. I'd take Defoe over Wayne, and I've been a Rooney fan for his entire time here.

Fair enough and then Rooney deservedly won't even make the bench again. Hopefully he won't be to blame if we're poor again then

 

[wr8_utd]

What is it now though? 3 goals in his last 4 starts? Atleast he's ended just over Sir Bobby's record.

 

[Sparky10Legend]

What is it now though? 3 goals in his last 4 starts? Atleast he's ended just over Sir Bobby's record.

Here we go again.

Let me guess, give him a bunch of starts at No.9?

 

[djembatheking]

End of an era , Great player for us in his heyday and Jose has been fantastic in the way he has phased him out this season . I don`t see the point in moaning about his performances because he has to play in our last two league games just to rest our Europa League players . Glad we are at home to Palace on the final day and hope he gets a good send off from the crowd , I am sure he will .

 

[wr8_utd]

Here we go again.

Let me guess, give him a bunch of starts at No.9?

No I don't want him in the squad for any game of any importance. However I'm happy he's not going to leave after just beating Sir Bobby's. 3-5 more goals feels better. Hopefully a farewell goal on Sunday.

 

[wr8_utd]

End of an era , Great player for us in his heyday and Jose has been fantastic in the way he has phased him out this season . I don`t see the point in moaning about his performances because he has to play in our last two league games just to rest our Europa League players . Glad we are at home to Palace on the final day and hope he gets a good send off from the crowd , I am sure he will .

He definitely will. On here he'll still be getting blasted despite it being a nothing game and his last game for us probably.

 

[shamans]

I can't help feeling sorry for Rooney's son, in the world we live in he's eventually going to find out his dad was shagging prostitutes just before he was born.

Don't get me wrong though, Giggs went down a mile in my estimation too but on the flip side his attitude on the pitch was never in question.

Rooney's been on a downward spiral for a few years now.

Rooney's attitude and effort on the pitch has always been 100%. A lack of quality is why he's not playing not attitude

 

[arthurka]

But but but we can still play him in the midfield role....

 

[Pink Moon]

Watching him lately I have to admit his time is up. I'd defended him previously but it's unarguable now. He is done. Which is sad because he was absolute quality and shouldn't have peaked and declined so early and so rapidly.

There was a moment yesterday in the first half where United had a counter and Mata was through the middle which was the obvious and easy pass and would almost certainly have resulted in a goal and instead he sort of scuffed it 5 yards in front of him at Lingard's feet who was took by surprise and Spurs easily regained possession. It was painful to watch.

I think the vitriol on here is way OTT though. Like him or not he is a Manchester United legend and it's probably the individual sacrifices for the greater good of the club which have resulted in his premature decline.

 

[AndyJ1985]

Watching him lately I have to admit his time is up. I'd defended him previously but it's unarguable now. He is done. Which is sad because he was absolute quality and shouldn't have peaked and declined so early and so rapidly.

There was a moment yesterday in the first half where United had a counter and Mata was through the middle which was the obvious and easy pass and would almost certainly have resulted in a goal and instead he sort of scuffed it 5 yards in front of him at Lingard's feet who was took by surprise and Spurs easily regained possession. It was painful to watch.

I think the vitriol on here is way OTT though. Like him or not he is a Manchester United legend and it's probably the individual sacrifices for the greater good of the club which have resulted in his premature decline.

I've seen this said a few times and it's a load of rubbish. His premature decline has come from poor lifestyle choices and not looking after his body to a good enough standard.