Nah I'll stick by what I said early season and earlier years. He was not close to playing as bad as he is right now and he was contributing anyway. A lot of the hate on here was purely agenda driven by a lot of people who like to blame Rooney for evreything wrong with the club. Right now he doesn't deserve to be near the team because we do have much better players now. This has not always been the case for the last few years.
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It's just a massive coincidence then that posters six months ago had the exact same opinion you have today?
It's not possible they just saw his decline before you did.
Awkward.
Like I said, at that point and in earlier seasons, he was still contributing even if his play was going downhill and also that we didn't have other options. This year, he's not really contributing that much but I'll still defend his early season performances. The criticism was OTT back then but I've said it for a while now that he should not be playing ahead of the better options that we have and will continue to say that.
There were games earlier in the season where he was even worse than the Swansea game. Or at least as bad.
Now your opinion matches up with the other 95% of posters I thought maybe you would see we were onto something back then. Unfortunately that's not the case, you're still putting it down to agenda.
I can see Rashford's decline right now. It make take 10 years for the reality to catch up with my ramblings, but when they do it's gonna be sweet.
Yeap. Watford.
Sure mate. Some of us were calling for Rooney to be dropped back in 2007.
Credit to Jose Mourinho though. He's normalised Rooney being dropped to the extent that some of his most ardent supporters here have gotten their heads round to the fact that Rooney's declined. Funny thing is, yesterday wasn't even his worst performance this season.
He was an appalling mess of a player earlier in the season, every bit as bad as he is now. The only difference was you were in denial and still had your head in the sand back then.
Worst post I've seen for a while on here. Makes zero sense.
Yeah. He's acting as if it's purely coincidental many were saying Rooney is in steep decline. When in reality it was a well based conclusion from watching him play week in week and be consistently poor.
Rooney's decline was anything but steep. It started already when Fergie was managing the team. The last season when Rooney was relatively consistent from start to finish was 2011/12. Since then he has been good for no more than 3-4 months per season, even if his numbers were good under Moyes. In the second half of the season under Moyes, i.e.after he got that contract, he was average. So, the decline continues for 4-5 years already. His fans have been in denial. That's not surprising though. Media and buddies used to exaggerate the good things and explained away the bad things.
the ones that saw him finally dropped forever as first choice from the united team? those ones?
Let me guess: you are David Moyes in disguise?
Has anyone confirmed that Ashley isn't Baghdad Bob?
Colleen?
I lost it out at this part and burst out laughing.
I would have laughed too, but I heard that one before from the NBC commentators. Martial's fault to get on the way...the excuses people make up.
It's about time to notify the SEC of another asset write-down.
Maybe he was watching these commentators and got this idea from them then. I won't even be surprised.
"I like to think of the clubs money like it's my own"
The absolute worst appointment we could have made at the most crucial time in our recent history. His appointment and Rooneys decline have more or less summed up the club post Fergie.
Injury depleted squad aside, why is he still getting games? Is it because of shirt sales in the Far East or something? United is an ultra commercial enterprise after all, and for the life of me I can't think of any other reason.
I expect that Mourinho thought eh maybew with something to prove he may offer United something and give him options for the end of the season run in... Turns out nah he is wank.
As long as he's making contributions then there isn't really much else we can do at the moment with so many injuries. There is nothing wrong with him organically being pushed out of the side onto the bench and eventually out of the club (the natural progression occurring), regardless of the criticism being over the top, I don't think it really matters. It doesn't mean much at this stage with so many dug deep in the hyperbole hole there isn't much to do but continue to double down and that seems to get most of the high-fives and attention so I completely understand it. I agree I don't really think he's been all that much different this season than he has been in the last three seasons but it is clear that tactically he just didn't fit in between Pogba and Ibrahimovic as a 9.5/10. There has been a mountain of evidence that no player has really nailed down that role in the 4-2-3-1 for various reasons. The front line has been a bit out of shape in various aspects all season and no precision blend of our squad has managed to fire as a combination apart from the individuality of Ibrahimovic plus a supporting cast every odd game.
The criticism over the mistake for the FK I completely understand but there have been so many bone-headed point-costing mistakes/misses during the season and I can understand what another kick in the guts like this brings out. Look at Fellaini, the same issue, plays well for months and then one mistake and everyone is back to doubling down on the hyperbole and any sensible objectivity is seen from the hole as some sort of alien manifestation because from the hole even the little realism's things look alien. The same thing is happening here. People get inside their own bubble of reality and have their paranoia validated relentlessly here until they defend it like it is the truth.
If I had to guess what it is about, I think a lot of it boils down to trusting Mourinho to do what they want/feel/think is needed in the summer. A lot of trust has been broken in the last three years after SAF left (not with SAF obviously) and I think it has really warped the perception of some of the realities at the club, especially Rooney. He may leave, he might not, but we have to trust Mourinho to sort this situation out and largely to his credit he has done it and we are witnessing it at a micro level and I don't think we will really start to understand it until we zoom back out and look at the macro of what this situation represents. I think a lot of people are silently disappointed that they had a bit of a mare thinking that Rooney would rock the boat and are still trying to chip away at that perception to make it a reality so that they can continue to stoke the paranoia, but to be honest he has to get credit for the way he has handled this as well.
Football is cyclical, this is the great thing about form and the squad. Every game that comes around means that the players get a chance to redeem themselves and/or perform better than the last game. You can't just turn the ship around and sail back three years because of some rough seas. We are along for the ride from port to port.
Some TY-esque comments here!
From the usual people yeah
I'm not really sure this is true. Fellaini's been criticised a lot because he's generally seen as not being good enough for the clubs long-term ambitions: he's been okay this season, but most of his good form tends to coincide with when the team is putting in good performances, and he's still incredibly rash and lacks discipline, something he doesn't really make up for with his limited ability. Criticism of Fellaini for his actions last week weren't hyperbolic because we're used to him doing stuff like that.
Similarly with Rooney, criticism of him tends not to kneejerk but is instead more of a culmination of frustrations which have been building up over the past two years due to the fact he's noticeably declined as a player. Again, criticism of him very rarely comes from one game; more his continual form.
don't question my fanbase!
Rooney has clearly declined. However, I think he has more goals and assists combined than any of the players he's competing with (despite playing less minutes). It feels he's being judged by different standards to the likes of Mata.
Even on Sunday, he put the penalty away clinically and was unfortunate not to score a second when Martial blocked his shot (those blaming Rooney for that incident would most definitely be saying it was his fault if he had blocked a goal bound shot by Martial). There were far worse players than him in that match.
He's clearly gone in the Summer and that's the right move for both parties given his wages and decline. However, he isn't the waste of space being portrayed on this thread. I'd expect him to, rightly, still get a fair few minutes in the remainder of the season.
Even on Sunday, he put the penalty away clinically and was unfortunate not to score a second when Martial blocked his shot (those blaming Rooney for that incident would most definitely be saying it was his fault if he had blocked a goal bound shot by Martial). There were far worse players than him in that match.
He's clearly gone in the Summer and that's the right move for both parties given his wages and decline. However, he isn't the waste of space being portrayed on this thread. I'd expect him to, rightly, still get a fair few minutes in the remainder of the season.
I think it's safe to assume that Rooney's name is the last one that most of the Caf members would want to see in the team sheet nowadays. However, if for whatever reason Jose still gives him game time, where in the attacking line up would you rather have him to be shoehorned into instead of the other positions?
Even though I still believe in his goalscoring ability, on the current form I find it hard to trust him to play in the congested area of the striker or no 10 position, as he doesn't seem able to beat a man now, let alone two or three in that area. I don't remember the last time I saw him play wide on the right, so that leave the wide left forward as the only position that he may still compete for, also considering Martial's current form. He won't dribble past defender there, but he may still come inside with the ball to give key passes or without the ball to strike from behind.
I think besides Martial, the other player he competes with for that position is only Young, as Rashford is now our main striker and for me Mata, Micki and Lingard play much better on the right or central side of the pitch.
Even though I still believe in his goalscoring ability, on the current form I find it hard to trust him to play in the congested area of the striker or no 10 position, as he doesn't seem able to beat a man now, let alone two or three in that area. I don't remember the last time I saw him play wide on the right, so that leave the wide left forward as the only position that he may still compete for, also considering Martial's current form. He won't dribble past defender there, but he may still come inside with the ball to give key passes or without the ball to strike from behind.
I think besides Martial, the other player he competes with for that position is only Young, as Rashford is now our main striker and for me Mata, Micki and Lingard play much better on the right or central side of the pitch.
After last night Rooney's decline looks even worse. Easy to forget Ronaldo is older than Rooney. Ronnie just takes care of his body better.
Done here and rightly so. Our biggest game of the season so far and he cant get a sniff of action ahead of Rashford, and cant even get on in front of Young and Martial. Will play him against Arsenal at the weekend with the rest of the second string.
Hope he gets us some good transfer fee in summer from a club in China.
And the press haven't even mentioned it. No uproar. Jose has played a blinder here.
Doubt he'd play in the final, if we get there.
Spot on. it was no coincidence that RVP stole the limelight in Feriges last season, because Rooney had already started declining by then as was not the player he was in his youth.
And as you said, while this was going on the media talked him up while he (for some reason) was undroppable under our two previous managers so it masked his decline
C'mon Rooney! Please prove me wrong!
C'mon Rooney! Please prove me wrong!
No.
Wow.
Imagine if he somehow turned into the old Rooney today. It's almost impossible, but one can always hope..
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