Well, apart from the fact that he has a penalty conversion rate (in the PL) of 69% (so scores 7 out of 10, will miss at least 1 for every 3/4 penalties taken... however you want to dress it up)...
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Well, apart from the fact that he has a penalty conversion rate (in the PL) of 69% (so scores 7 out of 10, will miss at least 1 for every 3/4 penalties taken... however you want to dress it up)...
With van Gaal's penalty rotations I don't see any other way.
Wow, that's rude as hell, and I do believe his overall game got better.
Oh, I was just asking if he exclusively took penalties - which the orignal poster was suggesting he do.
LVG's penalty system is really fecking dumb though... I mean, is it too much to ask for the club to have a professional footballer who can score consistantly from 12 yards so I don't have to shit myself everytime we get a penalty?
No Irwins or Cantonas in the club any more. 
It's actually fine. You take them until you've failed, it's fair.
From late 2012:
Penalty kings
Louis Saha 4 out of 4 - 100%
David Beckham 2 out of 2 - 100%
Dimitar Berbatov 2 out of 2 - 100%
Ryan Giggs 2 out of 2 - 100%
Eric Cantona 14 out of 16 - 88%
Cristiano Ronaldo 11 out of 13 - 84%
Ruud van Nistelrooy 18 out of 22 - 82%
Denis Irwin 8 out of 10 - 80%
Wayne Rooney 13 out of 20 - 65%
Javier Hernandez 1 out of 2 - 50%
Robin van Persie 1 out of 2 - 50%
Paul Scholes 1 out of 3 - 33%
Teddy Sheringham 1 out of 3 - 33%
Michael Carrick 0 out of 1 - 0%
Nani 0 out of 1 - 0%
Dwight Yorke 0 out of 1 - 0%
Rooney improved since then though. 4 out of 5 I believe.
Penalty kings
Louis Saha 4 out of 4 - 100%
David Beckham 2 out of 2 - 100%
Dimitar Berbatov 2 out of 2 - 100%
Ryan Giggs 2 out of 2 - 100%
Eric Cantona 14 out of 16 - 88%
Cristiano Ronaldo 11 out of 13 - 84%
Ruud van Nistelrooy 18 out of 22 - 82%
Denis Irwin 8 out of 10 - 80%
Wayne Rooney 13 out of 20 - 65%
Javier Hernandez 1 out of 2 - 50%
Robin van Persie 1 out of 2 - 50%
Paul Scholes 1 out of 3 - 33%
Teddy Sheringham 1 out of 3 - 33%
Michael Carrick 0 out of 1 - 0%
Nani 0 out of 1 - 0%
Dwight Yorke 0 out of 1 - 0%
Rooney improved since then though. 4 out of 5 I believe.
It's been discussed to death (pros & cons and whatnot) but ultimately, it puts a needless added layer of pressure on the taker.
Plus, even the greatest penalty takers miss some. I mean, if we had Irwin himself reincarnated at the club, should we take him off penalty duties if he misses one? Now obviously we don't have an Irwin around... but, considering the talent we have in our squad, we bloody well should.
I wonder if Sir Bobby has a section of veteran fans that are still trying in desperation to paint his legacy in a more humbling light?
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Van Persie only took 2 penalties? I thought he had more than that
He did. That table above is from end of 2012 year.
Berbatov also took a terrible penalty against Everton in the Cup, although it was a shoot out so it might not count.
Yeah, everyone should bow down to the wisdom and intellect of your terrible posts on Rooney instead.
Mine's just an opinion, which I explain every time, and which as you can see many agree with. (S)He just posts ridiculous stuff like this:
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There were also far worse posts last season from him/her last season too in Rooney thread.
In a sea of moaning, it's just a bit of lightheartedness. But whatever, guy. If you have a problem and think mod should intervene, report them. Far better than calling people idiots.
"Ridiculous", hah.
"Ridiculous", hah.
It was just a cocky penalty that failed.
From what I remember he had a pretty good record at Spurs.
Well his pace is gone, no engine and he hasn't played well for us in decades. I'd object to him being undroppable too.
Didn't Rooney air two attempts in the last two games. One was a low cross from the left, and the other a Darmian cross from the right.
I really hope he bangs them in this season, or else we aren't going to be challenging much!
I really hope he bangs them in this season, or else we aren't going to be challenging much!
His movement is fine.
But his all round play and hold up of the ball is terrible. And he tries to do fancy flicks too many times, when a simple pass would do.
But his all round play and hold up of the ball is terrible. And he tries to do fancy flicks too many times, when a simple pass would do.
Really can't see him scoring anywhere near 20 goals. Unfortunately he's completely undroppable.
20 goals my ass.
I agree his movement is decent and there were some good link up with Memphis at times in the first half.
However his first touch is shocking (so loose). I do worry that we will rely on him, hes captain and he never gets subbed (and will start every game). He basically has no competition and tbh, he plays best when he has something to prove and has hunger for the game.
However his first touch is shocking (so loose). I do worry that we will rely on him, hes captain and he never gets subbed (and will start every game). He basically has no competition and tbh, he plays best when he has something to prove and has hunger for the game.
His first touch lets him down but the one thing that could instantly make him a better player is not trying to back heel it. I think he could do with being more selfish too and taking more opportunities for himself.
I see Rooney has added a lot of consistency to his game.
I actually thought his first touch, especially in the first half, was okay. However, he needs to put far more pressure on the back line if he's playing as a 9 and the constant roaming about the pitch is unnecessary. His link play in the second half was awful.
Overall his tour has been underwhelming. Tried to combine with Memphis but they haven't managed to create a great deal.
We sold the wrong striker.
You could do a video of that performance to the Benny Hill theme tune.
We need a striker that have a presence and can link-up with our attacking players, unfortunately they are rare and the ones good enough are not available.
Maybe Januzaj can impress if given a chance.
Rooney isn't good enough anymore and that is not based on this pre-season.
Maybe Januzaj can impress if given a chance.
Rooney isn't good enough anymore and that is not based on this pre-season.
He's a 'poor' footballer, and we are beyond fecker if we are sentenced to 3 more years or whatever is left on his deal with him as undisputed 9. He will get some goals, but overall, the amount of strikers who can replace what he offers us is worryingly big, to the point where it includes Charlie fecking Austin, who would probably at least match his output in our side. Seeing as his all round game has gone to site, we can't even argue that Rooney offers much more than Austin elsewhere. He's basically in the team to get goals alone, and he probably doesn't get enough of them for that anyway.
Just put Adnan up top and be done with it regardless of the outcome. At least he will play with more hunger if he's given his chance.
We're in trouble if Rooney doesn't sharpen up immediately. Continuing to choose him regardless of his performances is really pissing me off. Make him fight for his place ffs.
We're in trouble if Rooney doesn't sharpen up immediately. Continuing to choose him regardless of his performances is really pissing me off. Make him fight for his place ffs.
I see of people bemoaning his touch always after games, but I raised this concern in another thread - does Rooney actually play like a centre forward? All his instincts to me look like those of a number 10. The desire for possession retention, the dropping deep and playing a safe pass, even when he finds himself in space in attack he looks like a number 10 whose landed up in an attacking position. Now, I know last season he had some good moments in attack but my question is more to do with style. I don't see the physicality nor that instinct of a centre forward where they light up in the box to do something impactful.
He already became a problem some years ago. I genuinely thought RVP was better than him even last season. Rooney doesn't seem to have any particular strenghts in his game to play with. Even the most criticized players like Valencia, and all the players we've let go, had something they're very good at.
"First touch" is definitely not the only problem he has. It will yet again be very frustrating to watch him start game after game next season.
"First touch" is definitely not the only problem he has. It will yet again be very frustrating to watch him start game after game next season.
He's done. Struggling to see why people keep making excuses for him when all the signs point to him being done as a footballer of the highest calibre. Always with the "his touch/movement/passing was ok/not bad", "but he needs to to do this and that etc." and "he needs better players around him, not his fault he's playing shit".
He's has played at the top level for close to fifteen years now which surely has put a strain on his body. I would love to be proven wrong as he is a legend but it's infuriating to watch him continuing to deliver perfomances not even close to be worthy of his status and standard (not a knee-jerk reaction based on pre-season alone, but the fact that he's continuing from where he let off last season).
He's has played at the top level for close to fifteen years now which surely has put a strain on his body. I would love to be proven wrong as he is a legend but it's infuriating to watch him continuing to deliver perfomances not even close to be worthy of his status and standard (not a knee-jerk reaction based on pre-season alone, but the fact that he's continuing from where he let off last season).
Position wise he's a number 10. And that's as far as his "number 10-ness" extends. His first touch, vision, control, dribbling and overall technical ability are severely lacking; all of which are number 10 attributes.
He isn't a playmaker, nor is he a good enough striker. He's a master of nothing.
That wasn't my point. I'm not talking about his qualities nor his current position. I'm talking about his instinct. Rooney has never been a great number 10. His goals have always been the overriding factor that has made it work regardless. But he's got a number 10's instinct for me which isn't aided by his real lack of physicality, which is funnily enough a common and harmless trait among number 10's but not one you want as a centre forward, particularly if you aren't extremely quick.
Rooney may think he can get United 20 goals plus ,but on today's showing he has a lot of convincing to do.
I'm officially annoyed if we're going to be solely dependent on Rooney to come up with the goals and keeping the team shape as it is. It's so obvious he's not a #10. Neither is Memphis. If LVG is adamant that Rooney is our striker, then Memphis needs to be shifted out to the wing and Mata needs to be our main creative force behind Rooney. We'd have been better off keeping Kagawa playing behind Rooney ffs. Very tough to judge our strikers on the amount of service they're currently given. Seeing the way Zlatan drops back and play the midfield in comparison to Rooney makes me wanna cry.
There is a stage which a player eventually reaches and he needs to go. That time has come for Rooney like it did for both Scholes and Giggs. We're Manchester United, we need players who can perform at their best every week.
The glorious day is getting closer!!!
every "performance" (if it can be called that) he puts in just reiterates my point, yet we've still got some clueless muppets that reckon he can lead the line and bag us 25 goals. Talk about delusional, brings me back to my original post when I said he won't even get 15 goals, can I reduce that to 10 goals now?
Similarly, I really don't see Rooney getting anywhere near 25 goals. The spine of the team lacks at least one top class central defender and a central striker who will stay in position and not try to do everyone else's job for them.The glorious day is getting closer!!!
every "performance" (if it can be called that) he puts in just reiterates my point, yet we've still got some clueless muppets that reckon he can lead the line and bag us 25 goals. Talk about delusional, brings me back to my original post when I said he won't even get 15 goals, can I reduce that to 10 goals now?
This being the case I don't see great things for us this season, 3rd at best.
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