Rooney will never get criticized on MUTV, they're understandably biased and he's the captain. The problem is that there is currently no other alternatives than to play him and hope he doesn't get injured.
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Rooney will never get criticized on MUTV, they're understandably biased and he's the captain. The problem is that there is currently no other alternatives than to play him and hope he doesn't get injured.
Rooney needs competition. I say it over and over, if you give him everything he wants - he becomes complacent. Why has no one noticed this on our coaching team??? Shouldn't Giggs know this already as he's been around him for years? Or maybe as Sir Alex is on tour there, he should say something to LVG. Upcoming season we want to win - no time to be indulging Rooney or anyone else for that matter.
I want to be wrong, but Rooney has been so inconsistent for several seasons now that I cannot see him being the prolific striker we need this upcoming season.
I want to be wrong, but Rooney has been so inconsistent for several seasons now that I cannot see him being the prolific striker we need this upcoming season.
The Villa game is the example I was thinking of.
I think the World Class Rooney from 2005-2011 is gone. He is now just a good striker, no longer a really good one in terms of performing.
Needs to step it up. If not I'd rather watch Chicharito up front. He looked the part last season for Madrid when played.
I agree that Wayne needs to step it up, other than the well taken goal last night he wasn't particularly good. He slowed our attack down far to much and his first touch at times was that of a Sunday league player.
BUT to want to replace him with Javier Hernandez, I'm sorry but that's crazy. It's surprising that he will even still be a United player next year, he shouldn't be anywhere near the first team.
I honestly don't understand how a 'top' player can have such an appalling first touch. Its not even a particularity difficult part of the game.
He was our best striker last season almost by default, because Falcao and RVP were so bad, but he seriously needs to step it up this season. Suarez (cnut) gave him a masterclass yesterday.
He was our best striker last season almost by default, because Falcao and RVP were so bad, but he seriously needs to step it up this season. Suarez (cnut) gave him a masterclass yesterday.
Touch was awful and I'm a big Rooney fan.
I still think he'll have a good season. Takes a while for him to get into full swing. His touch may not improve dramatically as the season goes on, but he'll score goals and he'll continue his productivity for us with assists too.
I still think he'll have a good season. Takes a while for him to get into full swing. His touch may not improve dramatically as the season goes on, but he'll score goals and he'll continue his productivity for us with assists too.
for poaching, chicharito is anytime much a prolific striker than te wazza. at least the pea can score by using his face, isn't he?
Just watched the game, and his first touch is beyond shiteous. It's like his boots have a magnet in them that repels the ball.
I said it in the matchday thread, but if Rooney was as hungry to be the best he can be as Ronaldo is, he would've perfected his first touch about eight years ago. Shocking stuff last night.
It's a damn shame how good he could actually be and how he truly is.
Who do you think are the plenty better in our team?
De Gea, Young, Herrera, Carrick and Mata all had a bigger contribution than Rooney over last season. Smalling also had a better contribution towards the end of the season right at the time Rooney became invisible.
I'm not saying Rooney was a bad player, he's been top quality and at times carrying the weight of a deteriorating midfield for quite a while but the Rooney we're seeing over the last year is quite a few levels below his best. I just can't understand why he can't consistently produce the same kind of form he produced during that really good spell of around 6 games he had last season.
From our current squad quite a few more players are added to that list.
He truly is a master at papering over a below average to awful performance with a pair of goals.
So many times I've raged at his general play and first touch, only for him to pop up with a goal. It's why he is tolerable nowadays.
Still can't wait for him to retire or leave the club, which might be a few years away.
Rooney nowadays is just a good player, who doesn't deserves the credit he gets to be the first name on the sheet every week as captain. He should have been benched tons of times due his performances over the past seasons, but it will never happen.
if van gaal signs pedro, that is the clearest indication rooney is going to be the main number 9 this season. and he needs to get at least 20-25 goals. if not then van gaal will get a world class CF next summer and rooney's position in the team is under more threat than ever.
It's bizarre how his touch has gotten worse as he's gotten older. Most strikers (Drogba and RVP come to mind) it seems like their control improves by their mid 20s or early 30s.
His movement was good against Barca, but his first touch, my god. I've been writing all summer that we don't need a 9 because Rooney will get 18+ goals if we give him 30-32 starts up front and that's tough to upgrade on in the current market, but if he gets 20 in 35 and there is a healthy number of penalties in there and his touch is this bad, it will be fools gold to some degree.
if we rotate Rooney, Chica and perhaps Januzaj/Depay at the top we won't have the best attack in the league but maybe decent enough to fight for the title if all players maintain decent form or don't get injured at the same time. If it's really that bad we can go into market in January.. otherwise next summer we should be all in for Harry Kane..
Charlie Austin would be a good backup player for Rooney who these days isn't anything special himself..
Charlie Austin would be a good backup player for Rooney who these days isn't anything special himself..
this one might be better suited to the "unpopular opinions thread" but what the heck. He'll score 20+ as a striker, 25+ if he'll be taking penalties as well.
Really hope he beats Sir Bobby Charlton's record. That'll hopefully shut a few people up.
Well it will be his 12th season at the club. His record isn't all that exceptional. He'll get it because he has been here so long, which in fairness is also an achievement in itself.
Just putting in perspective that Van Nistelrooy left with 150 goals in 5 seasons, including one which was essentially halved due to injury.
Rooney of course has not always played up top but just saying that he's the record goalscorer wouldn't exempt him from criticism.
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You seem to be missing the point somewhat. He's already scored a lot of goals, doesn't change the fact his overall game has gotten much worse. Scoring a few more goals won't shut people up if he continues to play badly.
I believe Van Nistelrooy was played up top and not moved here, there, and everywhere. Had Rooney played up top, I'm pretty sure he would have beaten the record years ago.
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Of course, but when he breaks the record, it doesn't mean that he's been playing brilliantly to do so. It won't and shouldn't stop critcising him when he plays one of his increasing common clumsy, lethargic games.
Didn't know there was a point that was made. I just think for a player that has given us 11 very good seasons, the amount of disrespect he gets is laughable, hence why I'd love it if he'd beat Sir Bobby's record.
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Of course, but when he breaks the record, it doesn't mean that he's been playing brilliantly to do so. It won't and shouldn't stop critcising him when he plays one of his increasing common clumsy, lethargic games.
That's fine, but lets make sure its not just for Rooney then, eh? I say that because when some of the Spanish lads have a bad game you can't even say anything before people jump down your fecking throat.
Of course. For example, I think Mata was let off lightly after the winning run and thought his level dropped a lot in a few matches at the end of the season. But I think a few people are worried with the way Rooney has performed so far in pre-season which might be unfair as the games mean nothing, but we will be relying on him massively to score and perform at a high level if we don't get another striker.
I'm not worried about him getting 15-20 league goals, Charlie Austin managed 18 for QPR. It's the deterioration of the rest of his game that is the big problem.
His overall play has declined heavily. Compared to a younger Rooney, it's very disappointing
His overall game got better with the years, not worse.
What a pro.
What a pro.
Just for the record, it is quotes like this that I was referring to during our last communication on this matter @Pogue Mahone
Please do not compare van Nistelrooy's ability in front of goal or consitency to Rooney's. It's on a completely different level.
With Rooney you can expect goals and productivity but you can no longer expect him to be a game changer, he hasn't been that for a while and frankly I don't see how he's going to become one suddenly because he moves to a striker position.
Also, the thing with him is that when he's not in form he's a pretty terrible player aside from workrate which he always puts. His touch is abysmal when he's off his game.
Also, the thing with him is that when he's not in form he's a pretty terrible player aside from workrate which he always puts. His touch is abysmal when he's off his game.
Well, if that were true and he could be a consistent goal scorer for the whole season, then we wouldn't have that argument here. But the most common thought is that after a few good games he's suddenly rather shit, so zero consistency, and that's what makes me worry and doubt that we can be a top team with him as a main striker. Consistency over most of 38 games is key.
How many will he miss?
I think that given the penalty taking, he'll certainly get between 15 and 20. Tat isn't an embarrasing number by any means, but I'm not sure it's good enough for Manchester United either. Surely our undisputed #1 striker should be better value than 15-20 league goals. There is certainly room to improve there, and I don't get why we have gone through a whole summer upgrading every position we can, while selling off all of the other strikers and doing all sorts of interviews about how Rooney is now 'the main striker' to create the perfect conditions for him to get his 18 goals. It is not that special, especially given spot kicks. I mean, Yaya is first choice pk taker for City, and Gerrard was for Liverpool when they managed to have not one, but two strikers get over 20 league goals.
I was reading a journo debate on twitter about him yesterday, one of them proposed that 2005/6 was Rooney's best season. Of course, there was also argument for 2009/10, but the debate was that he had become a poacher by then, but was a better player in 2006. It saddened me that there is a debate that our main striker, who is still in his 20s - was either at his best 10 or 6 years ago.
We need competition up top, although I think Adnan may well step up and start (well, resume) his journey towards superstardom.
Zero, or one.
Its not disrespect, its fact, for a long time his first touch has been piss poor and whilst he still scores, he is also responsible for a lot of our moves breaking down due to poor first touch and inconsistent short passing. Scoring a feck load of goals over the years doesn't exempt him from valid criticism.
And he hasnt been played here there and everywhere, he has played a handful of games in midfield and the rest of his time somewhere across the front line, lets not make out he's John O'Shea.
Your wums in this thread are very boring. You make yourself look like an idiot with posts like that, I am surprised you aren't thread banned by now, you are just ruin the thread for no reason.
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