I really think Morgan can be that player. They were glimpses there last season of a good player.
As for Rooney ,I wasn't really a big fan of this midfield experiment but he had done recently so far. I'm willing to give him a chance too.
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As for Rooney ,I wasn't really a big fan of this midfield experiment but he had done recently so far. I'm willing to give him a chance too.
Haha, as i said, let's buy these 'better' player 1st, and if you want to discuss transfer I believe we do have transfer forum here in Caf. This is a thread to discuss Rooney's performance.
If you think he is poor, fair enough. There will be others here who will argue if they think he is not. But surely it is a stupid argument, in a performance thread, to say other players; playing in a different team, against different opponents, perform better.
I reinstated, I'm all in for a new better midfielder to play instead of Rooney as I don't see anyone in our current midfield is significantly better than him.
Anybody calling Rooney's perfomances excellent must be
1. British
2. Have some serious rose tinted syndrome issues
1. British
2. Have some serious rose tinted syndrome issues
If Rooney's performances in CM have been excellent, then people have forgotten the standards a an Utd player should play at. I blame Moyes and LVG
tbf every player needs to be reassessed under Mourinho.
van Gaal destroyed a number of players.
It baffles me how some already are convinced he's a great midfielder after what...3/4 games.
Same with the debate about him getting 25-30 goals last summer.
Same with the debate about him getting 25-30 goals last summer.
Van Gaal is a terrible man manager.
Let's hope for an overall improvement on that side and better perfomances from the players.
Well, it took us 2 seasons to finally accept he wasn't a good enough striker, let's hope we don't wait that long before we give up this midfield experiment. Question is where do we now move him when this experiment fails?
Good post. Not surprisingly it's been passed over. People refuse, or are unable, to objectively praise or critique Rooney on here anymore. That, or the posters that can have gotten bored fighting his corner.
It's pretty clear to me that he has been England's best player by some margin. If he adds some goals and assists before the end he will talked about as one of the better players in the tournament.
There is a difference in saying he played well for england in 2 games so far, and saying we should build around him next season. Though I guess many on here dislike him that much that they can't admit he played well out of fear it will look like they think he should be a key player for us or something.
He will be a number 10 again, wasted deep in midfield, then back to striker, then midfield again. It's a process.
Wait, Rooney is getting criticized for the West Ham game? He was our best player after Martial and the only one in midfield who didn't look like he's playing football for the first time in his life. Showed good composure, good tracking back and also did really well for the Martial goal.
I admit he's played well. Just look at my post following his performances. However, I am petrified that Mourinho will bank on him being our main midfield man without a back up plan going into the new season. Same way I was petrified last season that LVG was going to make him our main man upfront without a back up plan.
If Rooney's been excellent I wonder what people think of Modric, Iniesta & Kroos so far.
They were good?
So you are making the rules about what is relevant now? My point is he is not good enough for midfield or up front. That's related to performance.
Not sure why that's so funny considering Rooney's form from August-January meant we finished most of our games scoring no goals? LVG stuck by him through thick and thin and look where it got him.Yeah right
If only he gave poor Chicharito that privilege. Guarantee he have gone 12 games without a goal. But I've always stressed that relying on Rooney and building the team around him is a bad idea. He's finished as a striker and only playing in midfield cause they're afraid to drop him. Letting RVP, Chicha and Falcao go so they could play Rooney up top on his own every game is probably the worst decision I've ever seen in my 15 years of watching United.
It's funny how everything is Rooneys fault and, by your words, if we have kept RVP we would probably win the league. Yet it same RVP couldn't help Fener to win the title but would help United in harder league eventhough he's more done than Rooney is? Cool story bro.
Rooney was poor up-front, but it's not his fault our midfield looked rigid and without and creation, that our defence leaked with DDG making it look much better than it really was and that apart from DDG, Martial, Shaw (preinjury) and Smalling everyone else looked like they've forgot how to play football. That's somebody else fault (hint- he's been replaced with Mourinho) not Rooney.
We should've kept Hernandez, that's only thing that you're right about, but Falcao and RVP are gone, they've both regressed even more than Rooney and thinking that RVP would win us league is just pure delusion on your part.
I know it is repeated often that it is continually Rooney's fault we didn't score in the first half of the season, our shots at goal only increased minimally when he was not playing up front in the second half of the season. I think it is a fairly safe bet the attacking situation was as a result of poor coaching and directives from the manager.
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I f*cking give up.
I think people might be saying he's been excellent there because they've taken into consideration that he's only just started playing in centre midfield, whereas, the players you mentioned have done so for most of their careers.
Steve, you have become very bitter. I no longer believe the "all-round nice guy" tag is correct.
He also seems very concerned about the English national team for a supposed 'Welshman'
Our Wayne must spread the footballing equivalent of toxoplasma.
His 1st half was worse than Herrera's much-discussed performance in that same game, he improved in fits and starts after the break.
So, he's not really excellent when you compare him with actual midfielders, he is just playing well for a player who is playing in a new position?
Yeah but give him 3 years in his "New" role and he might end up 1/10 of the player Kroos is!
Oh, I'm not bitter - just utterly exasperated with the 'indulgence of Rooney by his managers' situation; so exasperated, in fact, that I can no longer be bothered to argue the toss about Wayne in any depth - what's the point when neither side will give an inch?
As for the tag: I didn't choose it.
its a bit like auditions he always go through and pulls his finger out for; new contract, possible captaincy, midfield general.
Indulging the Midfield Maestro seemingly buys his managers time, so why not?
A mediocre English manager talking about a mediocre English midfielder. It reminds me of United over the last few years. The bar is being set lower and lower to accommodate him, yet we all wonder why we're lagging so far behind the best teams. I mean there's something seriously wrong when Rooney is being talked about as being England's and United's best midfielder. I wonder if he'll eventually become a mediocre defender once people tire of him being a mediocre midfielder? It wouldn't surprise me.
Indeed. You don't pay £300kpw (or whatever figure it is), to a player who is "learning to play".
For that sort of money, I'd expect the best in the World performances.
Hehehe. Indeed.
Right and that problem has nothing to do with Wayne Rooney. He's not the greatest CM in the history of the game, but he's been solid in that role for United and now England. That is an indictment on the quality of the other CM players in both the United and England squad than anything else.
Honestly, it seems like people don't understand that even if you think Rooney has been solid you could still want United to add better quality in CM to challenge and create competition for starting XI spots so that we aren't forced in to a situation where Wayne Rooney is our best midfielder. Thinking he's been good in that role doesn't preclude recognizing we need better quality players in CM.
agree with this.
It would be sad to think Rooney is the best we can aspire to for United and England. But it would also be wrong to say he is crap. Rooney still has a very good football brain. A quality player. But age and all the games he has played is taking a toll on him. I am not interested in discussing what he is paid. It has no relevence. I still see him being a valuable player for us until he finishes his contract. It is up to the manager to use him how he sees fit.
Tell us another blatant lie.
He's been in and out of midfield for the past three seasons and had a few experiments under Ferguson too.
And have I just read some gossip that there's talk of a new fecking contract?! Jesus fecking christ, this club is going down the tubes.
He wants to extend his contract.
Nah......
If it's true, he's lunatic.
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