I just hope he doesn't have enough player power to hinder our progress as a team.
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Well put.
I think for the rest of his time here, probably another 2-3 years, we'll have tonnes of "oh if he was number 10", "if he was up front", "if he was deep in mid" he'd be great type threads.
Hopefully we've got a good team so these inevitable threads don't take over.
Mourinho knows how to coach an attack properly in this league/climate. He won't marginalize the forward position and ensure that their job is to hold the ball up, play with their back to goal and operate strictly within the lane of the two CB's. (Then in a rather bizarre turn of events, sell off a bunch of players and play our smallest forward in this role who has no ability to play with his back to goal, go figure on that one).
This will allow the attacking players the freedom to use their creativity from deeper positions and allow them the licence to play passes through the lines or overload the wide areas to create passing options in the final third. The majority of the attack to return to a functioning dynamic unit. From the CF position, through to the attacking/central midfield out to the wide positions.
Most of the last two seasons in the 4-3-3 and the 4-2-3-1 the entire attack has played facing the ball carrier with it being brought forward at a slow speed or recycled in the middle third. It, logically would be one of the first area's I would be fixing in terms of structure, before looking at individual players and their worth.
Goal posts are always being moved when it comes to discussion about Rooney.
His sunday league performances of the start of the season, unsurprisingly, blamed on LvG.
He'd be great in midfield, if we were facing a shite everton side, a crystal palace side struggling to win for 6 months and playing nothing games against Bournemouth week in week out.
This has shades of 'Rooney will score 20+ goals this season'. Ya'll are crazy.
It's not irrational Rooney hate, it's delusional Rooney love. I start to think people are bigger Wayne Rooney fans than Manchester United fans. The guy will be our Gerrard next season. I have 0 doubt about it. He may have a few good performances which will make some in here feel vindicated. But he will return to shite. His hollywood passes to the right wing may please many in here, but it isn't enough to cut it in midfield.
Hopefully Jose isn't as blind to it as LVG and isn't afraid to drop him.
His sunday league performances of the start of the season, unsurprisingly, blamed on LvG.
He'd be great in midfield, if we were facing a shite everton side, a crystal palace side struggling to win for 6 months and playing nothing games against Bournemouth week in week out.
This has shades of 'Rooney will score 20+ goals this season'. Ya'll are crazy.
It's not irrational Rooney hate, it's delusional Rooney love. I start to think people are bigger Wayne Rooney fans than Manchester United fans. The guy will be our Gerrard next season. I have 0 doubt about it. He may have a few good performances which will make some in here feel vindicated. But he will return to shite. His hollywood passes to the right wing may please many in here, but it isn't enough to cut it in midfield.
Hopefully Jose isn't as blind to it as LVG and isn't afraid to drop him.
I agree with you, I want him sold. But Mourinho is gonna risk a media shitstorm in his first summer. Like it or not, that's what will happen. The media love Wayne Rooney.
Relying on Wayne Rooney was LVG's biggest mistake. If he had have dropped him back in that August-January period where he couldn't register a goal in 12 consecutive matches, we probably would have won the league. But LVG showed a lack of guts and was too busy trying to prove something to the press. I believe his first words when Rooney finally broke the duck were "I told you so"... how mad is that? If we gave every player enough time to get themselves back into form, the likes of Falcao and Forlan etc would have probably been a big success here. But we never allowed that. Anything less than 100%, especially when you're a striker not scoring goals should be enough to relegate you to the bench. But not the great Wayne Rooney...
Honestly, I was convinced then Rooney had a clause in his contract or something like that and if Mourinho pulls the same stunt this season, then something is up. At first I thought "Oh, the board are telling LVG to play him so he will eventually break the record", but the more I look into it, I think that shiny new 300k-a-week contract that Moyesy gave him had playing and captain privileges in there somewhere. Which is absolute madness.
No idea where to post this, but has the K/O time of his testimonial been announced yet?
It's on wednesday, surely in the evening then?
First Mou game at Old Trafford!
First Mou game at Old Trafford!
Surely the Euro is a make or break for Rooney, whether Mou wants to bank in his managerial fate on Rooney next season. So far, two managers have failed.
Our boy needs a good tournament. The heat is already on and the knives are being sharpened.
Bs articles as usual. Hogdson's not playing a diamond to suit Rooney. Its to fit Kane and Vardy in, but it clearly doesnt work. Not as a plan A anyway.
We should go back to 433. If that means leaving Kane or Vardy out, then so be it. We need to think about the balance of the team.
We should go back to 433. If that means leaving Kane or Vardy out, then so be it. We need to think about the balance of the team.
Should just play a 4-1-4-1 and bring Vardy off the bench or rotate between him and Kane during the tournament. A fresh Vardy checking in around 60 mins against a tired defense would be very effective. Nothing wrong with having some quality in reserve and keeping balance in the line up. Rooney should just rotate with Barkley or Wilshere in midfield.
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Yes, or the whole world will start seeing what we've been seeing for the past 2 seasons
He played crap for months for us and there was barely a peep out of the UK media, England have one boring performance where Vardy and Kane clearly didn't know how to play their roles and suddenly the journos are on him. 
it does seem familiar doesn't it
I don't want to see any more possession football, thanks.
The English media have always defended him, and seemingly have ignored that his United displays for the large part simply haven't been good enough. A part of me thinks they dont really care if his performances negatively affect United.
But now with England, they cant ignore it. Rooney's decline has been evident to anyone with a functioning pair of eyes, yet the excuses are usually aplenty.
It would be great if he breaks the record and moves on next season. Everyone is happy.
But now with England, they cant ignore it. Rooney's decline has been evident to anyone with a functioning pair of eyes, yet the excuses are usually aplenty.
It would be great if he breaks the record and moves on next season. Everyone is happy.
It's not as if England were going to win the tournement anyway, but it's still ridiculous. Let's move the most effective English at taking centre midfielder of last season out to he left to shoehorn in a finished cf in midfield because he doesn't have the self awareness to retire and the manager is too much of a little bitch to leave him out
good.. can't wait for the fat cnut to get found out. Hopefully a bad euros would make it easier for Jose to get rid of him before next season begins.
The sooner he retires the sooner both United and England will improve. He's just not good enough anymore, and the odd flash of brilliance shouldn't hide that.
I felt it was some hopeless formation than Rooney . Rooney was far too much in front if they were trying 41212 and Kane and Vardy too wide. It seemed more like a 4-3-3 they were playing. Also, using Milner over Wilshere is pretty much a useless pick. I'd rather see Rooney and Wilshere at CM, Alli as CAM and Vardy and Kane as Forwards if they want to try 41212. Add to that Rose and Walker need to attack. you cant be having the 2 forwards going so wide to chase the balls.
You can't blame Rooney for a ridiculously incompetent manager playing a god aweful system. It was almost like Rooney was in false 9 with Kane and Vardy either side of him, just didn't work at all. Rooney needs to drop deeper with Alli furthe forward and Kane and Vardy then up top. Kane as th focal point with Vardy running channels
He has to play either deeper in midfield where he has space to knock 30 yard passes, or stick him upfront and ask him not to do anything defensive.
Really though the answer is bench him. Alli is better as a 10, Vardy and Kane are better as a 2, and playing him wide is completely pointless. I would probably try him in midfield over Milner in last nights formation, but he would probably struggle there anyway.
Either way the 4-1-2-1-2 looks a poor formation, it relys so heavily on fullbacks, but we don't seem to push them high up enough to fully make it effective.
Really though the answer is bench him. Alli is better as a 10, Vardy and Kane are better as a 2, and playing him wide is completely pointless. I would probably try him in midfield over Milner in last nights formation, but he would probably struggle there anyway.
Either way the 4-1-2-1-2 looks a poor formation, it relys so heavily on fullbacks, but we don't seem to push them high up enough to fully make it effective.
Wouldn't blame him for their performance. I think the defenders were slow and pondering - like they were thinking about the nature of reality in between touches. Not much width provided by Kane or Vardy. Rooney had one good run and cross but when you've got those strikers playing - it seems silly to play that formation. Would be better off 4-3-3 and let teams worry about your strikers since they are Englands hope of winning. England ain't going to win every game 1-0.
I thought Roy did the right thing and was bold selecting that many strikers but if they are going to be defending half the time, it almost seems redundant.
I thought Roy did the right thing and was bold selecting that many strikers but if they are going to be defending half the time, it almost seems redundant.
I don't think he was much more average than any other player last night so can't really criticise him too much.
What is daft is playing a striker in a midfield role when there's really no need to do so.
What is daft is playing a striker in a midfield role when there's really no need to do so.
Rest of the country now seeing what Utd have had to watch for the last 2 or 3 years.
Fact is he shouldn't be starting for club or country.
I think everybody knows what to expect from Rooney nowadays, his last 3 years have been pretty much the same added with a steady decline. For some odd reason some fans and managers have this misplaced hope that he's still capable of showing the quality he was once capable of which is where you get "Rooney can get 20+ goals if played up front" or "Rooney can change his game to become a fantastic midfielder".
Like a poster above me said the sooner he leaves both United and England team both theses teams will improve a lot because he occupies such an integral position within theses teams but has such limited ability and performances nowadays.
I think everybody knows what to expect from Rooney nowadays, his last 3 years have been pretty much the same added with a steady decline. For some odd reason some fans and managers have this misplaced hope that he's still capable of showing the quality he was once capable of which is where you get "Rooney can get 20+ goals if played up front" or "Rooney can change his game to become a fantastic midfielder".
Like a poster above me said the sooner he leaves both United and England team both theses teams will improve a lot because he occupies such an integral position within theses teams but has such limited ability and performances nowadays.
Yeah deep in midfield is where he does the least damage and can actually be a positive influence because, like you said, he gets enough space and time.
The formation didn't help but come on people, can we just stop making excuses for him?
He's physically done. Completely.
He's never once 'fit' into a system, he's always been a square peg in a round hole, now with his physical decline he's an anchor dragging both United and England down.
Shouldn't be anywhere near the starting lineup for either, let alone having the system of both teams changed just to accommodate him.
He's physically done. Completely.
He's never once 'fit' into a system, he's always been a square peg in a round hole, now with his physical decline he's an anchor dragging both United and England down.
Shouldn't be anywhere near the starting lineup for either, let alone having the system of both teams changed just to accommodate him.
England are having the same problem we've had for the last 4 seasons. Trying to accommodate a player that is past his best who is living of his past reputation.
England have the same issue as us. He's captain, has to play and still a decent player but the team can always do better in any position you place him.
What's all this crazy talk? It's clearly the system and his team mates causing him to be poor for England as well as us. He's just waiting to get played in his proper position, with the right system, the right players around him, the weather to be just right and the correct Chinese year so he can dominate the world as the new Scholes/old Rooney.
Always the victim, never his fault. I thought he'd last until November calling himself a midfielder, but I'm starting to think he will be calling himself a striker again after the Euros.
Always the victim, never his fault. I thought he'd last until November calling himself a midfielder, but I'm starting to think he will be calling himself a striker again after the Euros.
Any excuse to bash Rooney
More like any excuse not to, lets review shall we?Any excuse to bash Rooney
He needs to play upfront
He gets no support
Its the other players not being good enough
Its the system
He needs to play at number 10
He needs to play in midfield
blah blah blah blah
But the game last night was completely the system as was seen by the fact that everyone was shite. If Rooney had played in the midfield position that's he's been taking up for Utd in recent months he would have been far better as would the whole team. He's not got the pace to play up top but can certainly stil cover ground in the middle. I understand critasism when it's just, but Rooney was completly played wrong Yesterday in a sort of false 9. (Here comes the response about excuses...
)I hope everyone in the world from Ronaldo to Messi to Zlatan now get to see how shit it would be to have Rooney in your team (with their interviews saying what a wonderful player he is and stuff) and i hope Jose takes note that with Rooney in the starting line up United will keep going backwards.
Always the victim. Never his fault.But the game last night was completely the system as was seen by the fact that everyone was shite. If Rooney had played in the midfield position that's he's been taking up for Utd in recent months he would have been far better as would the whole team. He's not got the pace to play up top but can certainly stil cover ground in the middle. I understand critasism when it's just, but Rooney was completly played wrong Yesterday in a sort of false 9. (Here comes the response about excuses...
You're going on like he's been great in midfield for us, he hasn't. He had one good spell at the end of the cup final, before that he was average at best. He played against some of the worst teams in the league in midfield and still didn't shine. Nothing he's shown has indicated he would have been far better if played in a different position. He's been tried in several and not been particularly good in any of them. If he was really that good he'd have a position and wouldn't be getting moved around to try and find one that he can play in.
Personally think he's been easily our best midfielder this year in the last month and has put in displays that none of our other players have shown or are frankly capable of. Poor opponents means jack shit then they are the same teams that the rest of our players are playing and look crap against. I've defended Rooney to death on here, but I don't really know why I bother considering people don't actually judge him on performance.
I have generally defended Rooney. Let's be fair will we- You can single him out if he is the only player who is struggling, looking out of place. Like Rojo type of cases, but yesterday, all 3 strikers were struggling. Eng fielded a 41212 but it was more of 433 with Kane and Vardy on flanks. I agree Rooney as a striker is over, but he is more than useful if utilised properly. Rooney should be in central midfield with someone like Wilshere. Kane and Vardy upfront with Alli behind them. But Rose and Walker need to advance and make the pitch wide.
We can't be having arguments week in week out of how good/past it he is. Last 2 games- he becomes the rooney of old, deserves to stay; then the next week- he is past it.
We can't be having arguments week in week out of how good/past it he is. Last 2 games- he becomes the rooney of old, deserves to stay; then the next week- he is past it.
If we have any player the same opportunity, privileges, game time that was afforded to Rooney, they will eventually hit form and look. Same with Borini two years ago. The manager at Sunderland presisted with his poor displays until he hit form towards the end of the season and was putting on some terrific displays until they paid big money for him. Does that make him an awesome player?
We also need to get our heads out of the clouds if we think he'll be an awesome midfielder. I'm struggling to think of any forward that was successfully converted to a midfielder. We keep on using Scholes, Lampard and Pirlo as examples but forget these guys for at least 15years as midfielders at the top level. Frankly, I find it disrespectful that we can call him the next Scholes, like the midfield position is some irrelevant position and a retirement home.
He should not be anywhere the midfield at all. His competition should be with the forwards only and if he's good enough to oust them then he should start but until then...
I think England's problem is much worse, because the quality of players they have right now in positions Rooney can play are of higher quality than the ones United have had the past two seasons.
Alli, Kane and Vardy are suffering and playing out of positions with Hodgson trying to shoehorn him.
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