He did misplace quite a few easy passes, in the game.
Nonetheless, it was a terrific performance.
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He did misplace quite a few easy passes, in the game.
Nonetheless, it was a terrific performance.
Agreed. Let's not pretend that Palace are some team. They've been absolutely terrible in the league since December and won only 11 league points in the second half of the season! That's worse than relegation form.Yet we were on the brink of losing to them...
Rooney had a great run for the first goal and did reasonably well (still had several sloppy passes that created opportunities for the opposition) but let's not exaggerate. I predicted long ago that we won't make top 4 with Rooney as our main man in attack and reiterated it even in the midst of his rich vein of form in January. I fear for next season if Rooney is our main man in midfield. We'll make the life of our rivals a lot easier.
He doesn't think, move or pass like a midfielder. He doesn't know what to do a lot of the time and then we see those pregnant pauses and hesitations that lead to him playing square or backward and the entire build up losing momentum, which is catastrophic if he's supposed to be the creative hub of the team.
The run was Gascoigne-esque, but he'd have to do that with the frequency of a Gascoigne for it to be a worthwhile attribute in him as a full-time midfielder.
His passing is inconsistent and conservative when it needs to be probing, expansive and accurate. His short-passing game is also a big worry and often leads to needless turnovers that put the whole team on the backfoot. I feel he can and will get away with this stuff against the smaller sides, but will be badly exposed against better opposition - if the same goes for an actual midfielder in Yaya, I can't see how it won't apply to Rooney who is not.
Very pleased for him for yesterday, but there are so many questions revolving around him and this Mourinho era. I think it's AM behind Ibra or bust.
The run was Gascoigne-esque, but he'd have to do that with the frequency of a Gascoigne for it to be a worthwhile attribute in him as a full-time midfielder.
His passing is inconsistent and conservative when it needs to be probing, expansive and accurate. His short-passing game is also a big worry and often leads to needless turnovers that put the whole team on the backfoot. I feel he can and will get away with this stuff against the smaller sides, but will be badly exposed against better opposition - if the same goes for an actual midfielder in Yaya, I can't see how it won't apply to Rooney who is not.
Very pleased for him for yesterday, but there are so many questions revolving around him and this Mourinho era. I think it's AM behind Ibra or bust.
You summed my feeling up. I thought he was excellent, for a striker who was obviously not a natural centre midfielder. That bit was obvious by the amount of times he screwed up an easy pass or did not received a pass in an optimal body position to take advantage of situations.
Him in midfield will not do if we're to get back to the top of the pile. We need someone better.
I don't think anyone can deny that he has heart and desire. That has never been in question whether you are a fan or not and yesterday he showed that and played like he wanted something out of that game but I will not go as far as saying that it was a brilliant performance by any stretch. I will always call it as I see it. Football does not start and end with United, and if I watched that as a neutral I will not call that a brilliant performance either.
Maybe, we have different standards which I appreciate the diversity of opinions, it is a forum after all but I would never be bias towards a United player in terms of performance. If Gerrard put in a performance like Rooney did, I doubt many United fans will call it above average just because he is a Liverpool player. For me, I will never do that. I thought he was poor in the first half, and surprisingly got better as the game wore on. I say surprisingly because in the last couple of games, he has been decent in the first 45 and poor in the second. And as far as yesterday was concerned, I will give him credit for picking himself up and playing with some drive and heart but I will not call that a brilliant performance by pretending the first half never happened.
One thing I have noticed about home fans in general is that a player can be playing a 2/10 game for 85mins and score a hat trick before the 90mins and he gets bumped up to a 9/10. I find that ridiculous. A good example was Lukaku against us. He was poor for most of the match but had like 2/3 good chances towards the end of the game. If he scored I would find it difficult to call that an amazing performance.
I will always judge a performance relatively and in the I have watched football , I have witnessed some real top performances by individuals and collectively. So when I someone says to me, "Rooney played a 9/10", I expect to see a 9/10 that compares with the 9/10 I have seen. So I find it weird when after the B'mouth game, a charity in every sense, a poster said that he put in a super performance and to me, it was just a good performance. The opposition was non existent, the game was flat, I can hardly remember much that stood out in the game yet I can remember Alex Song putting in a super performance against Man City last, single handedly destroying City.
You keep on pushing your agenda against my comments by saying that I have an agenda against Rooney because I don't he is as good as you think he is. You think he is a top player, I don't. You think he will be key for seasons to come, I don't. You think we should build around him, I don't. You have your opinions, I have mine, deal with the difference in opinions and stop using my comments to enhance your comments here.
Brilliant post this.
I just don't want him to become one dimensional. He has to learn to very his game. That was a great run for the goal and if he can do that - he should do that more often not just spray balls round. If he could tidy up his game - and he does make too many sloppy passes. I'd like to see Scholes also teach him to put backspin on the ball because I don't think Rooney does that well enough. He's shown enough quality in the season to say he's not past it. I just hope he learns to mix up his game more and pays more attention to simple passes.
I look at Herrera's 1st season as a better indication of his abilities than this. When given consistent playing time in the right system he is a very good passer of the baller, presses the opposition well, and will score a few goals as well. He is never going to be world class but he can be a very key clog in the right system. IMO he is a much better all around midfield than Wayne.
Schneiderlein has suffered in a similar fashion to Ander in that he plays one week is on the bench the next despite having played well the week before. The best midfield performance I saw us have this season was against Arsenal with Ander and Morgan both keeping the ball fairly well in possession, maintaining their positions, and Ander getting forward on the counter. If we can get Schneiderlein in the team week in week out with a clear position I think he is one of the best defensive midfielders in the league and has shown that in his time at Southampton.
Yeah him and Valencia have made a big difference for the last few games.
Too true.
It really isn't true.
sure its not...
Better than Martial or Rashford? No chance. There's a confusion between being the best player and being the most involved player.
I've never questioned his work rate or on pitch attitude. It's always good and that carried on yesterday. However comparing him to poor players doesn't really say much. He's been better than Herrera and Schneiderlin lately. It's true but so what? Most teams in the premiership probably have a better performing midfielder than those two.
Let's start judging players against what we need to be EPL and ECL champions again. Rather than "he was better than Fellaini, Lingard and Rojo therefore he's brilliant."
His passing was a bit off but his work rate made up for that. His part in the Mata goal was almost as important as scoring the goal. You could tell he was genuinely desperate to win yesterday.
It's undeniable that many posters on here have an agenda against Rooney too deep rooted to be able to accurately assess his performances anymore.
He was man of the match yesterday without a doubt, and as has been said already if that performance came from any other player it would be receiving more praise.
I believe he still has a lot to offer this club, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing what Mourinho will do with him. He could sell him, build the team around him, or anything in between. He has certainly coveted him in the past, so I expect that using a system to get the best out of Rooney will be high on his agenda.
For what's it's worth I've been reading this forum for many years and believe me when I tell you that the Cafe as a collective love to write a player off. It happened with both Giggs and Scholes well before the end.
He was man of the match yesterday without a doubt, and as has been said already if that performance came from any other player it would be receiving more praise.
I believe he still has a lot to offer this club, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing what Mourinho will do with him. He could sell him, build the team around him, or anything in between. He has certainly coveted him in the past, so I expect that using a system to get the best out of Rooney will be high on his agenda.
For what's it's worth I've been reading this forum for many years and believe me when I tell you that the Cafe as a collective love to write a player off. It happened with both Giggs and Scholes well before the end.
His was brilliant in FA Cup win anyone who fails to recognize that is just being silly.
He was class and there is a good chance he evolves into a superb midfielder. Give him a break
So, in a season where he missed 2 months through injury, and played the last few games in midfield, he still managed 15 goals. Which isn't too shabby.
He was generally poor until January, after which I would say he's played quite well. Scored and created some really nice goals.
I think he is now past his very best, but a good manager could still get something out of him. He can still pass it well, he can still finish, and he still has a good attitude: is willing to work hard for the team, and follow instructions, which is why Van Gaal liked him so much.
Coupled with his trophy winning experience, I see no reason why he can't contribute for a couple of seasons yet, and i'll bet Mourinho takes to him.
He was generally poor until January, after which I would say he's played quite well. Scored and created some really nice goals.
I think he is now past his very best, but a good manager could still get something out of him. He can still pass it well, he can still finish, and he still has a good attitude: is willing to work hard for the team, and follow instructions, which is why Van Gaal liked him so much.
Coupled with his trophy winning experience, I see no reason why he can't contribute for a couple of seasons yet, and i'll bet Mourinho takes to him.
That was a captain performance on Saturday if I ever saw one. He wanted that Cup and wanted it badly. He was a leader among men.
You might be a bit biased... Bastian
Actually, I think it's hard to argue that Schweinsteiger should be an automatic option for the 2 CM spots. And Morgan needs to seriously step up to take his chance. We still need top quality in midfield. I hope Jose does not think Rooney in midfield is a great idea.
He does like Rooney though, he tried to sign him when he first arrived back at Chelsea, don't know where he would play him though. I think Mourinho will love Schweini, he has had a nothing season but he's a leader and a top player, I really think we will see the best of him under Jose.
Yeah he did. But wouldn't all agree that this season was a turning point for Rooney? I at least hope there won't be any undroppable nonsense and that he'll find another captain. De Gea would be a good shout. Best player. Always plays.
Based on his first season at United it would seem he is more suited to be an automatic option for the out spot.
But not to fret, given how misfit Bastian is, i doubt he'll stay injury free next year, probably miss huge chunks of the season as well.
I think it's unlikely Mourinho wouldn't bench Rooney if he was playing anywhere near as shit as he was for the majority of this season. That's just one of many examples of LVG being a lunatic.
Rooney much like VG were enough to get us a FA Cup, but lets not start playing square pegs in round holes, Mourinho needs to strengthen the back bone of the team. I look what we have got, there is a platform, but I hope next season plans does not involve wayne rooney. Was rooney good in the FA Cup? yes and no, he made a difference, but his overall play, his passing sums up why he is not good enough for united going forward next season. We defiantly need a RB, a couple of CB's, defiantly we need a few CM, upfront I feel the team has the quality, it maybe given one more signing, but I hope mourinho does not try playing rooney much next season. If his striker days are over, I feel jose should move him on along with the likes of fellaini, young, etc etc
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Another reason to not get excited about Rooney in midfield is his possible other partners.
Rooney/Schweinsteiger - too old and too slow to be effective in the EPL
Rooney/Carrick - same problem
Rooney/Schneiderlein - might work if they both play very well. If one has a poor outing our midfield could get run over.
Rooney/Herrera - not good enough defensively
So the only way it works is if we play 3 midfielders and the most advanced midfielder has to come back and help often.
Rooney/Schweinsteiger - too old and too slow to be effective in the EPL
Rooney/Carrick - same problem
Rooney/Schneiderlein - might work if they both play very well. If one has a poor outing our midfield could get run over.
Rooney/Herrera - not good enough defensively
So the only way it works is if we play 3 midfielders and the most advanced midfielder has to come back and help often.
Blind is missing. Surely with loony tunes gone he is more welcome in midfield rather than at center-half position
It's called Squarepegoroundholism - playing players where they should not be considered because of age, past history, big name appeal. Also called Shoehornism. Commonly suffered by Manchester United!
The old Teflon potato looked pretty sharp when he came on and took his goal well.
Well done Wazza:
Some finish for his goal yesterday.
You would think a coach like Mourinho will understand not marginalizing players and hoping they meet a certain line. He'll understand how to get the best out of Rooney in my opinion, I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays out.
@Wade3 that YT link is dead.
@Wade3 that YT link is dead.
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Why he doesn't have number 10 anymore. Was it only for this game or did they gave it to Sterling.
He wasn't a starter. In friendlies, England number their starters 1-11.
Have to say, he did very well yesterday in his cameo too.
Oh thanks, didn't noticed it before and was genuinely suprised that they would gave Rashford number 9 too
Let's hope it was a mistake. A captain for England should not be wearing fecking #19. Let's hope this was just a thing that happened for the friendly games. Embarrassing to say the least. Such a great servant to club and country should not be degraded like that.
I think Rooney will have a great season under Mourinho. He may play him as an out and out striker or have him in midfield as he has been in recent matches.
Is this a joke?
Rooney will still be captain and he will wear the #10. For both club and country.
eh?
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