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Man, that is one ugly football kit.
Anyone afraid he's becoming our Gerrard? Feel like regardless of what position he plays there's always much better options, both in the club or in the transfer window.
When were this "options" in FA Cip final i wonder.
To be fair - the fact that we consider struggling for the majority of the game against Crystal Palace in a final further is proof that we need to strengthen in that area. He's slow, lethargic, his first touch is pub standard at times and he doesn't seem to do very well when pressed. It's as if he's just played for the sake of being played because he's Wayne Rooney, which takes me back to my earlier point. Gerrard was in a similar untouchable status at Liverpool.
He played well in the final but he was given so much space to do so. In fast paced games where he is pressed he isn't as reliable in midfield.
I am.
He shouldn't be starting every game for us. The idea of him being our midfield playmaker is laughable, he can do a hollywood pass out to Valencia but that doesn't make him Pirlo.
You can expect him to have a few world class moments in a season still, but it's not enough to justify him being untouchable.
Benching a player who is on 300k a week sounds mental to me, ideally we would ship him out to China, but i doubt it will happen.
Absolutely. Only a small minority of teams will give him enough room to amble around the pitch spraying balls across to each wing and not put him under enough pressure for his awful first touch and poor short passing to be woefully shown up.
The mysterious case of "Roonesia" is upon us again whereby a couple of games where everything goes right for him and suddenly we've found a position he can play to a top class level. He can't. These last 4 seasons he's been a world class number 10, until he's played there consistently and disproven it beyond reasonable doubt. He's then a world class number 9, until he disproved likewise. He's also been a potentially fantastic number 8, until again he gets shown up as not having the required skill set against any decent opposition. Rinse repeat.
Is he awful in any if these positions? No. Will his desire and natural talent mean that he could play the occasional role in central defence and look like England's answer to Beckenbauer? Yes. Does that mean he can consistently be relied upon in any position for a side wanting to win trophies? Hell no.
In that respect you're spot on; he's our Gerrard. The difference is Gerrard was a liability for a couple of seasons. This time next year Rooney will have been here for his 5th consecutive year of (on the whole) utter mediocrity.
We need a strong manager willing to finally show him the door, as Fergie was about to rightfully do 3 years ago. I hope that's Jose.
No. Mourinho will know how to sort him out.
You mean bench him?
No, I don't.
What do you mean?
His best position is always the position he's not currently playing
I find it a bit strange the diagonal ball criticism. That was Scholes' go to ball for his last 2-3 seasons with us and we all loved it. Rooney does it and we beat him round the head with it.
I was just trying to say you need more than that to play in midfield. But yeah, it's been effective.
Hope he won't be given Ivanovic treatment, the guy just could not be dropped no matter how awful he was.
Tbh Scholes used to switch the play all the time and not just do it for the sake of it. Rooney is predictable (only one receiver), Scholesy was not. And the diagonal pass was just one part of his amazing passing array. And the great thing about Scholes was that he dictated where the players should run by passing it in the space in front of them. Also it helps when the receiver is C.Ronaldo, RvN, Giggs and Rooney in their prime rather than a very limited midfielder-turned fullback. And Scholes was also way better at actually hitting the intended target.
In Scholes last couple of seasons it was Valencia he was pinging it out to. I'm not sure he was that much better at it than Rooney, just seems a bit harsh to me. Not saying Rooney is anywhere near Scholes level as a midfielder but he's showing signs that he can play there.
Mourinho has become a miracle worker on here now. In the past week I've seen posters claim he will rejuvenate even Rojo. Everyone is becoming world class under him, don't you worry.
Give up mate, people just won't have it that Rooney might be a functional midfielder
No one is saying that all the players will be world class but it's very reasonable to expect most of the players performance levels to go up because isn't that the main goal of management, to extract every ounce of quality out of each player in the team?
You'll soon see the LVG excuse will be bs, it was as much on him as on the players. Even around the end of Fergie's reign you could see clear signs of Rooney tailing off, he's 31 soon, has a hilbilly body structure which has been battered by professional football since he was 16. The sooner people accept that maybe, just maybe his time is over the faster we will grow in quality as a football team.
If he plays like he did in the opening 4-5 months of last season Mourinho will bench him and then sell him. Rightly so.
Ivanovic...
I think he will keep Rooney for this season but I definitely see him benching him and both of them ultimately falling out unless Rooney accepts being more of a squad player and utilised against lesser opposition.
Just not at the highest level.
Just needs to vary it. Rooney had a pretty decent season considering. I hope Jose works on him to work on the kinks in his game.
I've always thought people were overly harsh of Rooney on here. Yeah he's not what he was but he's still a good player I think. Under Mourinho I wouldn't be surprised if he put him behind whoever ends up being our striker and id be fairly happy with that. I highly doubt he's going to go into a premier league season with Rooney as his main creative midfielder, unless Woody seriously messes up the transfer window.
Rooney came in and was far better than the show ponny, the man who is compared to Messi, who is compared to Maradona. Do you remember Ronaldo being calle a show ponny?
So, Rooney gave us glorious performances since day 1. We knew he would reach the sky. Everybody was expecting him to do amazing stuff each week. And if we want to be fair, he did for a long period of time.
When you lift such a weight as an U-21 player and you keep doing this for over a decade, EPL level, you are damned. Your body will let you down. Rooney 's body could never be the same after some serious injuries, so it let him down. But he kept doing what he was told to do. A true red soldier.
Ronaldo left the team, Rooney stayed and we reached the CHL final again. I have always said that Rooney, Evra and Carrick were the lungs, Rio and Vida the heart of the team. Ronaldo was a shiny necklace over them. But hte heart and lungs could do without the necklace.
Manchester United fans, especially the english ones, are very harsh on Rooney. He obviously is less than half of what he was, but I respect the lad. He is a legend.
Some will be upset, some will be delighted, and most will be indifferent, especially if United get
a high class midfielder IMO.
United were virtually out of the title race after those four months or five months , lets hope Mourhino does not leave if that long. Cannot hope to compete for titles in a competitive league carrying a player for that long.
I just disagree here LVG was clearly making the players worse which is just not what good managers do. When players like schniderlin come to utd in the past they would then move up a level not down a level and thats my point. Under Mourinho i fully expect all players to move back up a level and if they dont then the players arnt good enough. Im sure that might be the case with some of them but others certainly have more to give.
No one is doubting what he gave the club, and he may yet improve under Mourinho. But the bolded part, whatever it means, is just wrong. He held the club to ransom twice, and would've left if he hadn't gotten astronomical wages. I don't want to move off topic, but making him out to be some hero because he stayed and 'settled" for Man United just irritates me.
Also, whichever way you look at it, we wouldn't have won the champions league without Ronaldo. To say he was a luxury is just daft in my opinion.
The fact is without Rooney FA Cup would have been likely lost and it was Rooney who managed to do something special to get us into extra time. No one else was really bothered, so much for lethargic.
Wah, look at Twit Rooney and his band:
He should be doing 5million laps every day to get himself fit for next season, not singing songs with Failure Neville.
He should be doing 5million laps every day to get himself fit for next season, not singing songs with Failure Neville.
What a fascinating human being Wayne Rooney is.
I understand your point of view. But first, let me clear the "red soldier" thing.
When I say "soldier" I 'm talking about what 's happening before, during and after the match day. He has played where he was asked to play. Everywhere. 9, 10, wings, midfield. And he 's done a good job. As for training days, I ve got an official MU magazine where his coaches state that when somebody asks "who 's gonna play CB and can do this" Rooney is the man who answers "me coach". Finally, his teammates always see him arriving first in Carrington every morning.
Nobody in pro football denies a better contract and modern day players will use managers, media and rivals to achieve a betrer salary. That 's all.
As for CHL, yes we did, we reached the final without Ronaldo but SAF decided to use Giggs and Carrick against Xavi and Iniesta. Ridiculous. And we could have reached the final again, if it wasn't for stupid or unfair red cards to Rafael (against Bayern Munich) and Nani (against Real Madrid). So, Ronaldo wasn 't the missing part.
In fact, I always felt it was somebody like Hargreaves that would give us something against Barcelona. Not to mention that nobody reached Brown 's top form.
Wah, look at Twit Rooney and his band:
He should be doing 5million laps every day to get himself fit for next season, not singing songs with Failure Neville.
Neville on acoustic.Is that James Bay?
I've noticed that some think he's a miracle worker, the ability to turn back time on Rooney and Schweini would be a neat trick.
It's the unconditional Rooney haters. They will hate him no matter what. That's not be saying he was terrible throughout 2015, but since 2016 he's been very good yet some will just hate him regardless.
I also don't have a problem with anyone thinking he should be benched or not a part of Man United anymore, even though I don't agree with that, it is a valid opinion. It's the ones that will say "oh so one good performance in 1 year? not worth it" etc
Anyway, here's my prediction: He will be a part of the team and will be one of our best 3-4 players of the season next year. Mourinho will know exactly what to do.
I understand where he's coming from, though. Not that Ronaldo was a luxury, just that Rooney, Carrick and co were harshly criticized for long periods of time. As it happens, Rooney probably deserves his criticism by virtue of being our "star" player, but one who is in steep decline. Not sure how much of it is Rooney's fault -- might just be that he's shot as a top class player. We'll see if Mourinho can get more out of him though.
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