Absolutely - said a few pages back, he's (Rooney) the worst captain I've ever seen for United. Completely devoid of leadership qualities.
The whole first team is rotten from it.
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The whole first team is rotten from it.
His forward passes stats are legendary on here.
Need to lose the captaincy and his place. Not surprised there is this malaise in the team - we see it with the national team all the time. Sadly I can't see one English football player with any leadership qualities. It is all about hype, the media, leaking crap, getting managers sacked etc - it's infuriating. What's worse and so disappointing is that LVG doesn't seem to see this. Really disappointed.
The Rooney of the last year, I think he's the worst consistent starter I've ever seen for Utd.
I would be interested to understand people's opinions on why Rooney is still playing, don't know how to start a poll but the way I see it it's either,
a) LvG genuinely thinks he has been playing well
b) The management are pressuring LvG to select Rooney as he is our most marketable player
c) There is some clause in some contract (either the kit deal with Adidas or Rooney's) that says he has to play a percentage of games
d) LvG is scared of what Rooney's reaction to being dropped might do to the dressing room
e) LvG thinks that he is the best of a bad bunch of options
My opinion is 90% d) and a little bit of e)
a) LvG genuinely thinks he has been playing well
b) The management are pressuring LvG to select Rooney as he is our most marketable player
c) There is some clause in some contract (either the kit deal with Adidas or Rooney's) that says he has to play a percentage of games
d) LvG is scared of what Rooney's reaction to being dropped might do to the dressing room
e) LvG thinks that he is the best of a bad bunch of options
My opinion is 90% d) and a little bit of e)
2 moments I recall left me open mouthed, there was a one two Herrera tried to play a bit further out than the d edge of the box, it was like hitting a brick wall off him
then in the second half he was on the left wing, turns into the game to see a pass while the defender just takes it off him
then in the second half he was on the left wing, turns into the game to see a pass while the defender just takes it off him
I think it's difficult to choose one or the other - I think it's a combination of a bit of (c) (d) and possibly (b) to some extent.
I can't believe you've listed 5 ridiculous options and missed the sensible one.
f) He recognises Rooney isn't playing well and hopes/prays he'll play himself back into form because a peak Rooney is better than all our other striking options.
Thats the reason, thats always the reason when managers play over the hill players long past their sell by date.
The real moment that defined what sort of captain he would be was the 5-3 last season against Leicester. You saw him ranting and raving, blaming everyone after conceding a goal that came from him losing the ball.
He's not someone you make a captain and instruct to lead your side. Even at his best, he's just a guy who you'd want him to do his 'job' (in his case, score goals). He doesn't have any qualities beyond that.
He's not someone you make a captain and instruct to lead your side. Even at his best, he's just a guy who you'd want him to do his 'job' (in his case, score goals). He doesn't have any qualities beyond that.
The annoying thing about Rooney is this premise around him that all he cares about is playing football, money and the limelight is secondary and is not chaser of it.
Yet the only reason he is paid so much is because of holding the club to ransom and his marketabiliy, you just need to look at his adopted celebration, to know that is not true, and there is nothing in his performance to suggest he should be on the wages he is on, even 2 years ago. I am sure Giggs and Scholes were on 60-100k in their 30s.
We could all blame Moyes for the contract he is on, but that really should be on Woodward, he sactioned it. Hes going to be getting these wages until he is 33...
Yet the only reason he is paid so much is because of holding the club to ransom and his marketabiliy, you just need to look at his adopted celebration, to know that is not true, and there is nothing in his performance to suggest he should be on the wages he is on, even 2 years ago. I am sure Giggs and Scholes were on 60-100k in their 30s.
We could all blame Moyes for the contract he is on, but that really should be on Woodward, he sactioned it. Hes going to be getting these wages until he is 33...
It's a disgrace that he is still starting matches but it's sheer incompetence from LVG keeping him on for ninety minutes. He should have been the first player off. I accept that we lack options but between now and the winter window, when we can do something about it, we should try Perreira and Lingard alternating on one wing with Young on the left, Martial uptop and Rooney out of the side.
His apologists will bang on about the lack of service but when you see him failing to trap simple balls you then question; what would be the point?
His apologists will bang on about the lack of service but when you see him failing to trap simple balls you then question; what would be the point?
Don't forget our inept performance away to Everton as well when we were thumped 3 nil after we had been playing well before and then we suddenly decide we didn't feel up to it
Games like Leicester and Everton away we need our captain to keep things together. He won't accept any responsibility if he's crap - not gonna go down well with the dressing room - it's gotta cause problems as I said in the other thread.So how have I missed it then - that's basically e) which I say myself is probably partly true
I really think he's only playing because he's close to the record, LVG doesn't want to be the guy that stops it from happening
I don't think it's all Rooney's fault, to be Rooney that we know he should be making tackles and running on defenders and making creative forward passes. Rooney shouldn't be captain responsible and it's not only down to the captaincy thing it's just LvG style doesn't fit Rooney so one has to go or they have to change his role and give him more freedom. But after saying that if Rooney lost his enthusiasm to play for the shirt and I hate to see him leaving he needs at least a kick on the ars by the manager not constant praise.
That failure by LVG to see or accept that this guy has fallen off the cliff is reason enough to note that this is not the manager to take us forward. A manager who is willing to take the down for the benefit of one player has no place at this level of the game.
If we allow Rooney to keep playing despite his evident regression, simply to break an excel sheet-esque goal record, then we've fecked it as a football club.
Barely anyone outside our club knew that he was close to it until it was brought up recently in the media in the last couple years. It's not that fecking important if he breaks it.
It also diminishes it (the record) and its importance a tad when we're having to drag the git over the line with regards to it. I mean essentially if RVP (or anyone else) was in his place and close to the record, we would have sold Rooney instead or something?
This is all of course forgetting that if Rooney was anywhere near as good as his paycheck and reputation in the English media suggests, he would have broke the record at least 3 years ago.
Barely anyone outside our club knew that he was close to it until it was brought up recently in the media in the last couple years. It's not that fecking important if he breaks it.
It also diminishes it (the record) and its importance a tad when we're having to drag the git over the line with regards to it. I mean essentially if RVP (or anyone else) was in his place and close to the record, we would have sold Rooney instead or something?
This is all of course forgetting that if Rooney was anywhere near as good as his paycheck and reputation in the English media suggests, he would have broke the record at least 3 years ago.
Let's face it, the club treat him like a king - look how the MUTV people drool all over him? It's Rooney this Rooney that - we can blame the manager but he is only partly to blame for falling for Rooney's crap - but most of the blame lies with the club for giving this elevated status. Woodward needs to sort it the feck out and if it's LVG that's being stubborn, then order him to drop Rooney's ass.
It's got nothing to do with any record. It is insane that he is never dropped but it would be batshit of the highest order if the reason was for him to break a scoring record
Was the best game I've seen him play this season. Actually was the only attacking player doing anything. Still poor but better than the other performances.
Remember when Chelsea wanted him? For a lot of money? Missed our chance we did.
That would have been Sheva, Torres, (others I'm possibly forgetting) and then Rooney. Chelsea mugged off - then, now and always.
I thought then it was a good idea to get rid of him - but most United fans didn't agree..... so there you have it.
Martial was better, of course. Kelly struggled against Martial and their manager changed his position in order to avoid him being red-carded. Besides, Martial created a very good chance for Rooney. Rooney wasn't that bad, just painfully average. It isn't surprising that Leicester are above us.
Yip. We desperately needed leadership and our captain made a balls up before screaming at a nervous looking Mike Smalling and a teenager. Great leadership there.
I'm utterly baffled what it is LVG sees in him as a leader. He's come out and said he's the best captain he's ever had, what does he do when he's not hiring and firing the kitchen staff?
I think off the pitch, Rooney is great with the guys. Also almost every United player interviewed says Rooney is a monster in training - more in the working hard sense than the quality sense im sure. That is what LVG probably means when he says he is great captain.
This is closer to the truth for me. I believe there is a serious incentive for him to break the club goalscoring record, both for the club and Wayne to gain publicity and money. He is being given every chance to get across that line, and coupled with Van Gaal's stubborn nature, we are unlikely to see change soon.
He's utterly fecking shite. Worst player in the PL atm.
The most animated he gets is when he's running over to shout at the ref.
The most animated he gets is when he's running over to shout at the ref.
The problem is the hair. Balding/bald Rooney is better than transplant Rooney.
Just read on the Guardian that he was 'isolated and starved of service.' What game were they watching?
Its never Saint Wayne's fault. The poor little lamb, constantly let down by all those around him. If he had better team mates he'd be as good as Messi.
I don't buy this theory that LVG is scared of dropping Rooney for morale reasons. This is a guy who seems to almost thrive on conflict and hardly seems the kind to bow down to anybody, whether it be the locker room (just ask Luca Toni,) or the higher-ups (ask the Bayern hierarchy.) I think he's just being stubborn and trying to prove a point (that he was justified in making Rooney his captain and sticking with him. It's the only explanation that remotely makes sense (not that I agree with it at all.)
The commentators were over the top in their efforts to either praise him ('that's a fantastic pass') or downplay his shiteness ('he didn't hit it too well'.) But Martial get singled out in the strongest terms as he failed to make one run into the box.
The milk has gone stale. Im being dead serious if I say he wouldnt improve a championship side. He's just average in everything he does at best, at the moment. He doesn't have anything that sets him apart.
For me, the picture (or I should say the video sequence) that said a thousand words about how bad he is now is when he was too slow to catch what was a perfect through ball from Martial and then added insult to injury by fanning on the shot. Mark that moment with a hot rod into your brains, people. That's the perfect example there is to explain how Rooney has lost that split second/extra step that differentiates quality players from average ones.
Did anyone feel that way when you saw that moment?
Did anyone feel that way when you saw that moment?
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Maybe he doesn't want to heap the pressure of being Man Utds main attacking option on the shoulders of an inexperienced 19 year old considering the likely reaction should he not score a hat trick in every game........
If Falcao had played like this especially playing every minute he would have been slaughtered by the media. Not them making excuses.
To hell with that. Wayne Rooney was given the task to carry the attack on his shoulders when Van Nistelrooy started showing signs of slowing down and repeated injuries. I don't think there's an issue in doing that again with another 19-year-old if he looks fit to do it at the moment. Furthermore, Martial looks to be well ahead of where Rooney was at the same age in terms of fitness and vision of the game.
Rooney was FAR more experienced, and already used to the British press when he signed for Utd.
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