[Treble]

Been on a recent run where I agree with your posts but this seems deluded to me and then people wonder whyit's so sursurprising that LVG is taking so long to drop him.

Most of the senior posters on this site can't seem to see that Rooney is past it and LVG is the same, the poll said it all... many still think he has it. He is a goner and has been a hindrance for a fair while for club and country, especially since WC 2014 where his petulance was incredible.

There is no way this is a mere lack of confidence and the captaincy point is a joke, he's not a cricket captain. .. people need to face the clear hard facts about Wayne, its tiring to discuss what is fast becoming a non debate. The evidence before us is overwhelmingly one sided..

Three years of making excuses for Rooney's performances (RVP's arrival, Moyes, LVG's system, playing out of position, etc.) won't be easily brushed aside. Desperation reigns.

I think you are wrong about LVG though. IMO, he sees that Rooney isn't particularly great but he uses him to control the dressing room and to keep at bay his pals in the media. LVG has never been great at controlling the team and was sacked at Bayern and Barca for falling out with key players and losing the plot. He doesn't want to make the same mistake here, all the more he plans to retire soon and this is his last job as a manager. This is why he is extremely cautious with Rooney

 

[Maradona10]

There will be a riot if he starts tomorrow and we end up drawing or losing. It may be the final straw. Him being shifted in extra time of the game against boro showed that Lvg knows he cant get a goal, i hope Lvg drops him for lvg's sake. If he keeps on playing him fans will turn against both.
Old trafford may never boo our own player but going by some reactions from match going fans on twitter the tide even inside the stadium has turned. Not saying they will boo him but the displeasure may be shown.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

Surely his age is irrelevant? Whith his natural body types and relatively unhealthy lifestyle choices over the years ( relative as much better than mine but worse then the very elite footballers he should be up there with) he doesn't have the body of a 30 year old

 

[El Zoido]

There will be a riot if he starts tomorrow and we end up drawing or losing. It may be the final straw. Him being shifted in extra time of the game against boro showed that Lvg knows he cant get a goal, i hope Lvg drops him for lvg's sake. If he keeps on playing him fans will turn against both.
Old trafford may never boo our own player but going by some reactions from match going fans on twitter the tide even inside the stadium has turned. Not saying they will boo him but the displeasure may be shown.

He won't be booed. It's not like he's trying to be crap is it? He works hard for the team and we should at least appreciate that much.

 

[Sky1981]

He won't be booed. It's not like he's trying to be crap is it? He works hard for the team and we should at least appreciate that much.

Works hard is an insult to every one on the team. He's not the only one running. Everyone is playing the same game running the same distance sweating the same sweat.

You make it sounds as if he's the only one that works hard in a game.

He's not even that hard workint anymore, he barely sprints these days

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Works hard is an insult to every one on the team. He's not the only one running. Everyone is playing the same game running the same distance sweating the same sweat.

You make it sounds as if he's the only one that works hard in a game.

He's not even that hard workint anymore, he barely sprints these days

No they're not and no they aren't.

Goes without saying that anyone that endorsed booing him is a dick-head. Even if the closest they ever get to actually booing any footballer is belittling him online.

 

[Sky1981]

No they're not and no they aren't.

Goes without saying that anyone that endorsed booing him is a dick-head. Even if the closest they ever get to actually booing any footballer is belittling him online.

Well at least he works hard for the team, let's give him a contract extension

 

[kouroux]

Wouldn't the other Utd players be angry and frustrated to see a very poor Rooney starting week in week out ? Just like one rule applies to them and another to him.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

I reckon Rooney would make a very good wing back these days. I genuinely believe that. His defending is on point these days.

 

[mariachi-19]

His age and the fact it's pretty much unheard of for any footballer to be finished this young, in the absence of serious injury problems. Plus he's never been a striker reliant on pace to hurt teams, so should age reasonably well.

At the same time pogue how many players explode on the international stage at 16? Even Messi and Ronaldo were 20/21 before they became as good as Rooney (and then obviously accelerated beyond).


Additionally I think Rooney has lost that quick burst of acceleration that negated his at times awful first touch. It allowed him to quickly rectify his mistakes, but now he makes one and gets absolutely monstered. It also stops him moving into space more freely hence preventing him time on the ball for shooting and passing.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Wasn't Shevchenko finished at this level when relatively young despite the absence of serious injury? Anyway, I don't think it's age so much as playing time and, by those standards, Rooney is more like 33/34 than 30.

I admit it is mystifying and, until recently, I still had hopes of a revival but it is starting to look terminal.

Actually, Shevchenko is a good (and worrying) example. Didn't realise he was the same age as Rooney is now when he joined Chelsea.

 

[mancan92]

Interesting discussion

 

[FacerTheRed]

MLS would cough it up.

MLS? maybe when he retires from England national team, if he leave England to MLS he'll lose his captaincy & most likely his place with the England squad. So no way he'll go MLS yet and risking his captaincy.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

we should send him a 3 week holiday.

 

[Ananke]

Interesting discussion

Good video.

The reason why I don't think it's just 'form' and more of a decline like stated in the video is because he's not even shown a glimpse of the Rooney he was. Usually players in bad form will show something at least, where you can tell they're still world class. But with Rooney every part of his game is just bang average at best or shockingly bad at worst. Even his passing, which he started to fall back on in the last few years, is just poor.

Form maybe playing a part in his really bad games, but his good games aren't good...they're "he played alright". And I honestly believe that is him playing at his best in the years to come.

 

[facund]

Interesting discussion

The Geordie lad had some interesting points to make about Rooney, particularly the bit about rushing him back after the Bayern injury and him not really looking the same player since.

 

[superdry]

we should send him a 3 week holiday.

Three week there, then three week back?

 

[The United Irishman]

I don't think it is Rooney, I think it's the system.

 

[Cassidy]

I don't think it is Rooney, I think it's the system.

Explain Martials performances at 9

 

[Shark]

I don't think it is Rooney, I think it's the system.

Yeah because he's scoring for fun and playing brilliant for England isn't he?

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I hope he is shunted to the left wing vs Palace, from where he can be on the peripheral of our attack with Martial switched to leading the line......

 

[The United Irishman]

Yeah because he's scoring for fun and playing brilliant for England isn't he?

It took us 35 minutes to carve out our first chance on Wednesday night without Rooney in the side might I add. Wilson didn't fair much better than Rooney in the first half in terms of productivity or creativity. The system is making some good players look bad imo.

 

[The United Irishman]

Explain Martials performances at 9

Young, gifted, energetic, and eager to impress, look at Rooney at the same age.

 

[Cassidy]

Young, gifted, energetic, and eager to impress, look at Rooney at the same age.

Sooo it is not the 'system' then. Since Martial has performed in it, and Rooney hasn't.
Also explain his reluctance to turn and drive forward, he obsession with spraying the ball out to the right wing.... His inability to take the ball back to goal, hold it up and bring others into play. All points to him not being good enough.

I do think he would score more goals if we just got the ball outwide and peppered balls into the box asap, but blaming the system for Rooneys poor form/performances is a cover up.

 

[The United Irishman]

Sooo it is not the 'system' then. Since Martial has performed in it, and Rooney hasn't.
Also explain his reluctance to turn and drive forward, he obsession with spraying the ball out to the right wing.... His inability to take the ball back to goal, hold it up and bring others into play. All points to him not being good enough.

I do think he would score more goals if we just got the ball outwide and peppered balls into the box asap, but blaming the system for Rooneys poor form/performances is a cover up.

You can say that about a handful of our players why's Rooney only being singled out, please don't bang on about his wages as no premier league player deserves the wages they earn in this day and age.

Also, without Rooney in the side on Wednesday night it was more of the same in the first half, zombie football with very little chances created, in fact we looked more dangerous with Rooney on in the second half if anything!

Fair point on Martial but I think he would look dangerous in any side you put him in.

 

[Sarni]

I don't think it is Rooney, I think it's the system.

Abysmal players are letting him down.

 

[Cassidy]

You can say that about a handful of our players why's Rooney only being singled out, please don't bang on about his wages as no premier league player deserves the wages they earn in this day and age.

It is the Rooney thread. Every other player not performing has been dropped. Memphis, Carrick, Darmian (at times) etc.
Yet we persist with a striker where the build up play always seems to break down at him, yet we have a player who was playing well as a striker and refuse to play him there to accomodate Rooney.

He is not being singled out, apart from Memphis he is our worst performer this season, he needs to see the bench

 

[Adisa]

I don't think it is Rooney, I think it's the system.

This nonsense again.

 

[Sparky_Hughes]

It took us 35 minutes to carve out our first chance on Wednesday night without Rooney in the side might I add. Wilson didn't fair much better than Rooney in the first half in terms of productivity or creativity. The system is making some good players look bad imo.

Maybe so but the system doesnt make players have the first touch of a rapist.

 

[K2K]

I don't think it is Rooney, I think it's the system.

 

[The United Irishman]

Laugh all you want but the system is shit, the football is shit, it will be enough to drag us into the top 4 and that is all, we won't be winning any titles that's for sure. Rooney will be dropped but the same problems will remain.

 

[Cassidy]

Laugh all you want but the system is shit, the football is shit, it will be enough to drag us into the top 4 and that is all, we won't be winning any titles that's for sure. Rooney will be dropped but the same problems will remain.

We already played better with Martial up top this season, not perfect, but a lot better than with Rooney up top.

 

[Turnip]

Rooney wasn't there the first half of the Middlesborough game and it didn't help...
I don't think he's been playing well, but don't think he's the cause of our problems right now either.

 

[Shark]

Young, gifted, energetic, and eager to impress, look at Rooney at the same age.

Rooney was lethal at the same age, but it's clear to most people that he peaked too early and is done. I'd love that not to be the case, but watching him struggle to run with a football, control a football, shoot and everything else that should come as basic to a professional footballer has led me to that conclusion.

 

[Sarni]

Maybe so but the system doesnt make players have the first touch of a rapist.

He's lacking basic technical skills at the minute to even perform to the minimum required level. But yeah, it's the system and van Gaal making him look bad. Also, it's the fecking abysmal cretins of players who can't get the best out of beautiful Wayne.

 

[drdoityourself]

Rooney wasn't there the first half of the Middlesborough game and it didn't help...
I don't think he's been playing well, but don't think he's the cause of our problems right now either.

You can't use a front four of Memphis, Pereira, Wilson and Lingard as a measuring stick can you? Surely a player that can not control a ball half of the time, and is much more negative in possession than Martial, is not helping our cause. He needs to be dropped, as soon as possible.

 

[K2K]

Laugh all you want but the system is shit, the football is shit, it will be enough to drag us into the top 4 and that is all, we won't be winning any titles that's for sure. Rooney will be dropped but the same problems will remain.

Life isnt so black and white you know.

Its possible that both the system and Rooney are shite, they arent mutually exclusive. Especially when you consider Rooney's recent England performances, all the way since the World cup have been poor. That is under a manager without any philosophy , yet he has still struggled.

You have admitted yourself that Martial has looked good within the system, further evidence that the problem here lies with the personnel.

Of course there are problems within the system, but dropping Rooney will not be THE solution. It should merely be ONE of the solutions.

 

[clarkydaz]

Rooney wasn't there the first half of the Middlesborough game and it didn't help...

neither were half of the first team

 

[Sam]

we should send him a 3 week holiday.

Why? What would that achieve?

We're two months into the season, where he's just come off a two month break (with no international tournament) and he's playing like this. What would a random three weeks off do to help? Is he going to invent a time machine in that time, and go and bring the 2010 version of himself back? If so, I'm all for it!

Laugh all you want but the system is shit, the football is shit, it will be enough to drag us into the top 4 and that is all, we won't be winning any titles that's for sure.
The system is creating the problems for Rooney in the same way it was supposedly causing RVP and Falcao's poor form last season, and the minute they switched teams they'd be back to their best. Remind me, how did that one work out for them?Rooney will be dropped but the same problems will remain.

Like when Martial played upfront and we instantly looked miles better upfront, and actually had a threat from a central area? Hmmm

The system is casuing Rooney's problems in the same way it was supposedly to blame for RVP and Falcao's poor form last season, and the minute they changed clubs they'd magically return to their best, away from nasty LVG. Remind me, how did that one work out for them?

 

[BennyBlanco]

It's not LvG's systems fault when Rooney isn't able to complete a 5 yard pass, or fail to trap a simple ball to feet or give it away 20 odd times in a single game,
It's a point though, the style we play can be tough on the forward compounding the issue.