Wilson didn't fair any better in the system as he's a kid with no experience who clearly doesn't look ready for the top level yet, we looked a much better team with Martial as the #9. The system and form excuses are wearing thin, you only have to look at him and look at RvP last season to see it's the same physical decline.
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Martial up top guranteed...
Any blaming of the system is a bit bizarre, in respect to Rooney. His looking lethargic, slow, and generally not up to it as a player isn't the result of how we're playing...especially when he was a bit better last season despite us arguably being worse, and a lot better in Moyes' season, which was horrendous in comparison to how we're doing now. Granted, we don't look brilliant creatively in attack, but at most a more fluid attack would perhaps see Rooney scoring the odd extra goal here or there. It wouldn't fix the fact that he just looks a bit hopeless as a footballer right now, especially when Rooney himself is the sort of player you'd want to drag an attack that isn't overly great to a higher level, which Martial often works hard to do.
Wonder why it's only under Moyes, where Rooney was excel. He's awful in the last few years of Fergie retirement, hence the buying of RvP. Then he's been awful under LvG.
Rooney is United legend, and media darling. I'm starting to think that LvG keeps on playing Rooney, until NOT even Rooney's mum can blame LvG if he eventually drops Rooney in the future.
Rooney is United legend, and media darling. I'm starting to think that LvG keeps on playing Rooney, until NOT even Rooney's mum can blame LvG if he eventually drops Rooney in the future.
he was on form first part of the Moyes season when the contract debate was happening, and he had a point to prove. After that he levelled off as he tends to do anyway. clusters of great form that gets him credit for the lean periods
sorry man. But it's funny.Martial is currently 10 times the player Rooney is. Him being up top will give us a lot of pace and we will be way way way way better.
There are actually some people here who are defending his current 'performances'?
Wow! I'll surely have some of the stuff they are smoking.
Wow! I'll surely have some of the stuff they are smoking.
So Wilson is now a standard bearer for Rooney? When will this end and people start accepting that he is not being made to look bad or that players aren't running of him or whatever the latest excuse and accept that he just hasn't been good enough?
Anyone else seen what that Pilib De Brun guy is going on about on twitter, Malachains.
Last tweet the most interesting one, as are the Scholes on Rooney ones.
Last tweet the most interesting one, as are the Scholes on Rooney ones.
I'm not on twitter, so have no clue if I can see most of the stuff posted (sorry I'm useless with modern technology
) - but I saw that he said Rooney and CO92 have a 'renewed friendship' and that Scholes is speaking for Giggs. Is that what you're referring to?I'm not on twitter, so have no clue if I can see most of the stuff posted (sorry I'm useless with modern technology
Yes, taking with a pinch of salt, but I like Pilib De Brun, he seems to have an idea about what's going on.
Does he really? I thought someone mentioned once that he wasn't as in the know as he liked to portray but I don't much about him. Though tbh, it's possible what he says is true. Might explain the constant defending of Rooney.
Bloody hell, if all of that is true LVG in big big trouble
Does he really? I thought someone mentioned once that he wasn't as in the know as he liked to portray but I don't much about him. Though tbh, it's possible what he says is true. Might explain the constant defending of Rooney.
Bloody hell, if all of that is true LVG in big big trouble
I've followed him for a while, he's certainly very opinionated but doesn't seem to speculate, and he gets alot of credible journo's validating what he says when he does stick his neck out, he also meets alot of the players past and present.
Called the Moyes sacking very early on.
I'd go with the opinion that Giggs is in big trouble if he is right.
As far as I'm concerned, Giigs shouldn't be assistant.
Really? Would be sticky though...Imagine Ed Woody and Fergie fighting
Really? Would be sticky though...Imagine Ed Woody and Fergie fighting
I think it's fair to say we need LvG more than we need Giggs, he gets is Top 4 again then he'll be as safe houses.
Agree. But it' getting the top four that might be a problem if LVG continues with Rooney. He needs to make some big decisions. Don't fancy another season going crazy wondering if we'll make top four.
No me either last season just about finished me off!
I do think that LvG's hands might be ties with Rooney though, highest paid player, captain, sponsors pin up boy... it's very hard for him to drop him, if not impossible.
I agree he's in a bind but someone needs to explain to the sponsors that the pin up boy might not be such a good advert at the moment for them if he continues with his dire form. Why not use Basti/Mata as their pinup boys? Basti is charismatic and Mata is photogenic/charming/intelligent. Surely they'd be better for the 'image'?
New low in Rooney thread.
Schweinstegier won't be because he'll be forever associated with Bayern, and Mata whilst great just hasn't got the worldwide appeal Rooney has, that's the point no one has in our squad, and I don't think anyone is even close, maybe that's why we were so desperate to get a Muller, or Neymar type player in the summer.
Rooney has maybe now reached a point where he is more important to the sponsors than he is to the team, a sad place to be for such a top player.
LvG did actually speak about Rooney today, said he was maybe doing too much.
from what I see Mata is the main guy doing nearly every interview and PR obligation. Rooney actually is a very low key public captain
We'll definitely get top 4. I don't rate LVG in terms of winning us a title, but he's good enough, and our squad is good enough, to get top 4. Look at the teams 'below' us.
Diesel combustion
10 years on the caf
Bramble is better than Zidane
Thomas muller is not as good as rooney
Moyes is as good as lvg
Pennant ronaldo
Joe cole is the new messi
Rooney the thor godlike son of odin shackled by the system
Buy the next messi
Bramble is better than Zidane
Thomas muller is not as good as rooney
Moyes is as good as lvg
Pennant ronaldo
Joe cole is the new messi
Rooney the thor godlike son of odin shackled by the system
Buy the next messi
So, Wilson is now the standard which Rooney is aspiring to?
And with regards to the system:
1. the system does not require a striker to have a bad first touch and the second touch necessitating a tackle (numerous games)
2. the system does not require a striker to stop a counter attack, by side or back passing, when all the attackers are running forward and out numbering the defenders of the opposition (vs Middlesborough)
3. the system does not require a striker to be goal shy and dwell on the ball (see the own goal vs Tottenham)
4. the system does not require a striker to ...
well, you get the drift.
Scoring too many goals?
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When you thought you had heard it all ...
I don't understand why that is not possible in your reasoning?
Isn't Wilson injured, so maybe that is the standard he wants from Rooney.
I have just bought my little boy the United Annual for Christmas and a calender. Wayne Rooney's ugly mug right in the middle of both of them.
Maybe the marketing thing is true..just imagine how many calendars we will be able to sell with his face until 2019..Oh the joy!
If anyone cares to read this point of view:
http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2...yne-rooney-is-complacent-and-in-comfort-zone/
Also what do you make of LVG's general comment here: Surely he can't think Rooney is delivering as he should?
Edit - didn't realise this was already posted in the press conference thread.
“I was manager of Bayern, and there the striker was Mario Gomez, and he touched the ball nine times as an average in a game,” Van Gaal said.
“The highest was 14 balls but he scored every game and I don’t think that our strikers touch the ball less. It’s how the balls are coming to him, how he decides, how quick he is in dealing with the situation, it’s much more complicated than everyone is thinking.”
http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2...yne-rooney-is-complacent-and-in-comfort-zone/
Also what do you make of LVG's general comment here: Surely he can't think Rooney is delivering as he should?
Edit - didn't realise this was already posted in the press conference thread.
“I was manager of Bayern, and there the striker was Mario Gomez, and he touched the ball nine times as an average in a game,” Van Gaal said.
“The highest was 14 balls but he scored every game and I don’t think that our strikers touch the ball less. It’s how the balls are coming to him, how he decides, how quick he is in dealing with the situation, it’s much more complicated than everyone is thinking.”
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His footballing talent carried him before, now that has gone he doesn't have the looks to make him marketable. RvP might not be as good as he was but he is still a good looking guy.
Can't believe people find him appealing - there's no accounting for taste nowadays smh
I was being a bit cruel there. Wayne was an amazing footballer who got you off your seat with some of the moments he produced. Now he is a shadow of that. To be using him as the centre of the advertising is madness. If he doesn't improve it might not be good for business.
Don't worry, I agree.
To be fair, I've always liked ugly footballers. Wayne has certainly never been a looker, but its the football that annoys me now .
Our marketing team need to earn their money by making someone else a star.
To be fair, if he expects Rooney to be happy with touching the ball nine times in a game and still score goals, maybe Rooney isn't the one to blame. He's never been that sort of player.
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