Can't see a player getting a testimonial and being sold in the same summer.
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Looks kind of like Giggs did for us in 2007/08, where he was visibly declining and needed to start being rotated and managing his games to get the best out of him. He just looks tired in every game. Still think he can make a big impact for us, he just shouldn't be starting every game. It's come to the point where he needs to reinvent himself really to prolong his career as Scholes and Giggs did, and he definitely has it in him to do that, so I don't agree with people saying we should sell him. Just shouldn't be starting.
I can almost hear a little girly "meh" when he skips over his leg3.20 where he faces up Otamendiabsolutely dire
what tools do you see he has exactly to do this?
Jesus, it gets worse every time I watch it.
If you don't know what tools Rooney has in his locker after watching him over his career I'm not exactly sure it's worth explaining really...
You can't say he's lost it all, not yet. Players often look well below their actual level once they start declining and they aren't adapting their game to their body declining. His overall performance will hugely improve I think once he sits out of the team for a while and starts fighting to get back into the team, to prove himself but also when he just isn't starting 2-3 times a week.
whats Rooney thinking, hows the Linesman supposed to get to that. Fair play to him for trying though
he had 1 touch inside the opposition's box all game.
Thing I don't understand is, what happened to the whole LvG's approach of "Limit your touches and get in between defenders."
He's getting far too involved as a #9.
He's getting far too involved as a #9.
City were expecting "silent domination" after last season's fixture, so Rooney had them completely fooled by serving up some "resounding suckery".
His testimonial has been announced.
My favourite moment was when he turned up in the middle of our midfield, tackled Schweinsteiger, then gave the ball away. If that's tactical instructions then I don't think me and LVG are into the same sport.
His time is up here, he looks burnt out, no disgrace, many great players have gone through the same at the club, he deserves a testimonial, he did some sensational things for us over he years and the club we are we rightly should recognise that but he has been so poor it is unbelievable he is still starting and captain, the English media not going over the top as he is important for their Euros, United media are rightly questioning LVG though and have irked him, I would say after another mediocre effort at the Euros from England the floodgates will open and it will snowball from there. Again though, as one of his biggest critics the past few years of his decline as a top player, and his contractual antics that were hard to digest, he did some great things here over the years, just watch some of the highlight reels from seasons gone he is unrecognisable, seems he peaked and burnt out early, he has after all being playing in the PL since he was 16.
A good third of the length of that "highlights" was him getting stitched up.
Also, at 1:33, he wasn't doing what a 9 was supposed to do. His job there was to lay it off, and get in the box, instead of peeling round and taking Herrera's job and position, who I wouldn't blame if he was pissed off and confused at what Rooney was doing there.
Thought i'd check out his goal scoring after reading that statistic from earlier today. So here's the goal table for all of 2015 so far in only the Premier League.
20 - Harry Kane
18 - Sergio Agüero
14 - Jamie Vardy
14 - Olivier Giroud
14 - Christian Benteke
12 - Alexis Sánchez
10 - Bafetimbi Gomis
10 - Mame Diouf
10 - Sadio Mané
10 - Saido Berahino
9 - Graziano Pellè
9 - Romelu Lukaku
9 - Danny Ings
9 - Diego Costa
9 - Glenn Murray
7 - Riyad Mahrez
7 - Nathan Redmond
7 - Raheem Sterling
7 - Juan Mata
7 - Theo Walcott
7 - David Silva
7 - Eden Hazard
6 - Georginio Wijnaldum
6 - Cheikhou Kouyaté
6 - Diafra Sakho
6 - Dusan Tadic
6 - Ander Herrera
6 - Jonathan Walters
6 - Jermain Defoe
6 - Nacer Chadli
6 - James Milner
6 - Charlie Austin
6 - Steven Gerrard
6 - Wayne Rooney
20 - Harry Kane
18 - Sergio Agüero
14 - Jamie Vardy
14 - Olivier Giroud
14 - Christian Benteke
12 - Alexis Sánchez
10 - Bafetimbi Gomis
10 - Mame Diouf
10 - Sadio Mané
10 - Saido Berahino
9 - Graziano Pellè
9 - Romelu Lukaku
9 - Danny Ings
9 - Diego Costa
9 - Glenn Murray
7 - Riyad Mahrez
7 - Nathan Redmond
7 - Raheem Sterling
7 - Juan Mata
7 - Theo Walcott
7 - David Silva
7 - Eden Hazard
6 - Georginio Wijnaldum
6 - Cheikhou Kouyaté
6 - Diafra Sakho
6 - Dusan Tadic
6 - Ander Herrera
6 - Jonathan Walters
6 - Jermain Defoe
6 - Nacer Chadli
6 - James Milner
6 - Charlie Austin
6 - Steven Gerrard
6 - Wayne Rooney
He only has that goal because Martial pitied him enough to bang it in off him.
Not making any excuse for him, since his performances have been dreadful, but I think van Gaal's idea of football doesn't suit him at all. He's at his best when he gets more on the ball and he's asked to do the exact opposite. Furthermore teaching his players to play with their brian and not with their instincts, as van Gaal calls it, is also the opposite of what he needs to do.
This is interesting. Maybe if he was only playing 20-30 minutes a game coming off the bench and could sprint more, and just starting in the cups to give us some experience and leadership with more youth figuring in, he'd actually be helping us instead of hurting us?
In this case, he'd be Martial's useful backup until Wilson beats him out at some point. We'd buy someone versatile (like Griezmann or Reus) to play either as the 10 or out wide with Mata or Herrera as other options at the 10 or out right and hopefully Memphis starting on the left and maybe 2 of Januzaj/Lingard/Pereira not loan and here covering both wings and the 10 spot.
Yep. Too many are too quick to write him off and just say "sell him". He can still play a very valuable squad role, both in terms of his presence in the dressing room, and also what he can offer on the pitch. He just can't be treated like a 25 year old full of energy anymore. He's always been someone where you thought he could decline early, but he is 30 after all, the age where players usually hit a decline. So he needs to understand that he can't play every game anymore and be effective in them. But yeah, he can still start games, just not every one. A sub appearance now and then, sometimes a start, and saving him so he can be at his best in the big games. Just a squad player role, and we all know how useful it was to have squad players like Giggs and Scholes in Fergie's latter years. They didn't play every game, and probably weren't part of our strongest 11 who would play most games, but Fergie trusted them more then anyone in the big games and when managed correctly, they always put in a good performance and looked fresh. When was the last time you could say that Rooney has looked fresh and hungry on the pitch? He's looked tired and generally not all that motivated for months now. Give him some time out of the side to get that hunger back to get back in the team, and so he gets some well needed rest, so once he comes on he can make a big impact like we know he can.
Anyways, it's not like it has been all that long since he played well. He was probably our best outfield player for the first half of last season. It was only really the last few months of last season where he started struggling, and it carried through to this year.
I don't believe he would accept a squad player role, but i would be happy with him if he did.
Have nothing against Rooney, he just isn't good enough to start for us anymore, as a backup striker that would be fine.
Have nothing against Rooney, he just isn't good enough to start for us anymore, as a backup striker that would be fine.
I miss you boy wonder 
The problem being the best players in the world get paid £300 grand a week not squad players. Rooney does need taken out no doubt but to early to write him off imo.
I think that being a regular is actually hurting his form currently. 1-2 games on the bench might give him that extra bit of motivation. He has been poof before but he has been utterly dreadful for a while now.
What happened to Wayne Rooney? Seriously hes going to be the clubs all time top scorer and yet he puts on such woeful performances like the one on Sunday! His regression is shocking despite the fact that hes only 30 years old, hes actually supposed to be at his absolute peak according to conventional wisdom. I dont think hes being lazy and I dont think its a lack of confidence or desire it just seems like a a complete drop in physical ability. He is not as fit or as strong as he used to be in the past, maybe he needs to do crossfit or something or maybe he needs to sit on the bench and not feel like everything is fecking handed to him.
I believe a rest will be good for him and if he lost his default starter status he will be forced into taking measures to alter his game so as to prolong his career. What Van Gaal is doing right now is not helping him at all.
I believe a rest will be good for him and if he lost his default starter status he will be forced into taking measures to alter his game so as to prolong his career. What Van Gaal is doing right now is not helping him at all.
I must be the only one but I can't see him doing a good job at Manchester United anymore, backup or not, same as how Fletcher suddenly get done at this club despite still being good enough for the PL as he proved at WBA.For me he needs to be sold.End of.
Or rather too late?
He's been declining since 2012. Offering him such a fat contract was a stupid mistake.
Rooney's game is based on his physical attributes because his close controll is a bit average for a top player. Actually, I don't think there is a top forward out there with a more inconsistent first touch and lesser ability to manipulate the ball in tight spaces. Once his mobility and explosivinness are gone, he is average. He is still capable of class moments but they come relatively rare for an elite footballer. Those citing the example of Giggs and Scholes are oblivious of the important differences between them and Rooney. They were much better in tight situations because of their first touch and superior close control. I think they had quicker mind too. And finallly, they weren't on 300 k per week. It'd be ludicrous to pay a squad player such wages.
Yes he could have a squad role, but this isn't OGS we are talking about who was happy to not always play. Wayne wants to be the main man. LvG needs to do a bit of sweet talking to make him realise that it might be best for the team if he doesn't play every single minute of every single game. It might actually help him to now retire from England duty.
What makes those stats even worse........I bet they have all played considerably less minutes
The 'squad player' thing just sounds like rhetoric to me. I can't see how, having watched Rooney, he appears suited to any sort of role here. Players like Giggs and Scholes, even to the point they retired, still regularly showed moments of genuine quality for us. Rooney is showing no such quality. As @khoazany was saying, Rooney isn't the most gifted of players. He doesn't have the grace of Giggs and Scholes, and when his body no longer allows him to burst past players, his usefulness is very questionable.
It seems some would like him to be a squad player on the basis that that is 'what happens' when top players start to decline - however, there is no actual evidence that Rooney can still offer anything to United. Even at 40, Giggs was usually the only player in our squad who could do certain things - pick certain passes. etc. Rooney is not that player. If anything, Rob van Persie was always most likely to have greater longevity, due to being a more technically gifted player.
I am personally extremely disappointed with Louis Van Gaal. For me, he is going as far as to personally weakening the team's chances of winning a title by insisting Rooney play every game. Some of that is down to him not having better options (at the beginning of the season), but then this is also his fault, he builds the squad, ad obviously misjudged Rooney as some sort of 20 goal striker. I cannot help but think that if we had Martial (or someone useful) against Swansea and Newcastle - we would have made up the two points we are off the top of the league. The Swansea defeat particularly - Rooney squandered every opening we made. I'm not convinced that Rooney will win us more points than he will cost us this season, therefore, if we manage to win the League anyway, the achievement will be great. We would have basically won the league with ten-and-a-half players.
@Rozay I agree with your last paragraph.
Regarding what you said, and has been said in this thread about Rooney re-inventing himself, the only thing that pops to mind that could possibly help us is his eye for that long-range pass over the top to a striker running on that he's shown a few times over his career. Rooney's effectiveness was heavily dependent on his power, pace and flair (which he seems to have drowned with his decline). Take all those away and you have a player who isn't intelligent and technical enough to play at number 10 and someone who isn't quick, technical and powerful enough to play the lone striker role.
Rooney needs plenty of time and room to turn, take in the situation and pick the right pass and IMO, defenders have identified that all they need to do is apply close pressure for him to be dispossessed or neutralised.
Regarding what you said, and has been said in this thread about Rooney re-inventing himself, the only thing that pops to mind that could possibly help us is his eye for that long-range pass over the top to a striker running on that he's shown a few times over his career. Rooney's effectiveness was heavily dependent on his power, pace and flair (which he seems to have drowned with his decline). Take all those away and you have a player who isn't intelligent and technical enough to play at number 10 and someone who isn't quick, technical and powerful enough to play the lone striker role.
Rooney needs plenty of time and room to turn, take in the situation and pick the right pass and IMO, defenders have identified that all they need to do is apply close pressure for him to be dispossessed or neutralised.
People talk of rest and motivation as a result of leaving Rooney on the bench, but no amount of these factors will rectify the issues that have dogged Rooney's all round game for a number of years.
His first touch is erratic, his short passing inconsistent and his dribbling more or less non-existent. This hasn't just happened this season, it's been the case for a longer period of time, something I vividly remember arguing on this site in regards to his role as a #10.
What has been worrying this season is his noticeable lack of pace, athleticism and strength. He still had these attributes and now that they wane all that's left is a great finisher well past his best, capable of hitting a Hollywood ball out wide once or twice a game.
So dropping him won't change the player he has become. It will only serve to quicken the end of his time at the top level. Rooney is a fantastic finisher, that's something I'll always maintain, but when you draw comparisons between the rest of his game and that's of Martial's, the difference is frightening.
Martial is a better footballer right now, and people at the club need to accept that. No amount of motivation is changing that either.
His first touch is erratic, his short passing inconsistent and his dribbling more or less non-existent. This hasn't just happened this season, it's been the case for a longer period of time, something I vividly remember arguing on this site in regards to his role as a #10.
What has been worrying this season is his noticeable lack of pace, athleticism and strength. He still had these attributes and now that they wane all that's left is a great finisher well past his best, capable of hitting a Hollywood ball out wide once or twice a game.
So dropping him won't change the player he has become. It will only serve to quicken the end of his time at the top level. Rooney is a fantastic finisher, that's something I'll always maintain, but when you draw comparisons between the rest of his game and that's of Martial's, the difference is frightening.
Martial is a better footballer right now, and people at the club need to accept that. No amount of motivation is changing that either.
spell it out to me. Youre saying you think he can change his game, and has the tools to do so. Now, unless you have something lined up that isnt number 10, midfield or winger then we have seen what he has to offer in any other realistic position unless you want to try him in defence? Tools, you say...touch, vision, technique, pressing, positional awareness etc You think he has these things going for him now?
This. He's been in a steady decline for years now, and Ferguson called it in 2013 - I seriously cannot believe that people think it's "too early" to write him off. That said, he deserves respect for what he has done for the club in the past but now it is time to move on.
I am with @Kag How does resting him teach him how to pass 10 yards?how does it teach him not to come to deep? win duels wi defenders? hold up the ball, improve his first touch. It's not like he looks tired. He's running up and down just fine, even say too much.
He simply has lost what made him a great player. His pace, explosiveness and agility have deseted him. With that,nais confidence has gone.
There was a moment on Sunday, when he got the ball on the end of a run and had a decent angle to shoot from just inside the 18 yard box. Top Rooney would have banged that across the keeper but this pretender tried a reverse pass.
Anyone that thinks his performances will automatically improve after a period on the bench is fooling themselves.
He simply has lost what made him a great player. His pace, explosiveness and agility have deseted him. With that,nais confidence has gone.
There was a moment on Sunday, when he got the ball on the end of a run and had a decent angle to shoot from just inside the 18 yard box. Top Rooney would have banged that across the keeper but this pretender tried a reverse pass.
Anyone that thinks his performances will automatically improve after a period on the bench is fooling themselves.
Fergie said because of his physique he always has to be in tip top condition, that was in his mid 20s. when he gets suspended or injured he needs 3/4 games to supposedly get back to normal. If he is burnt out by end of October what does that say?
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