Out of all the things that Moyes fecked up, this will have the longest-lasting and most damaging repercussions. 2019?!?Jesus...£45M? Thanks Moyes. Make sure Rooney gives you your cut
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Feck off and support Bayern or Madrid then. Ridiculous.
Giving the cold shoulder to media and worrying about the team are hardly mutually exclusive.
You guys were listening to his press conference in the Stretford End? How is that possible?
didn't know to stick this in the "is Louie scared of Rooney" thread, "post Utd vs City" thread or this.
I wasn't able to watch or listen to the game due to other commitments but managed to follow it via posts on the caf / bbc.
A ridiculous amount of posts in the utd vs city thread were slating Rooney saying his touch is off yet again, afraid to shoot, passes back rather than going forward, he's lost it etc etc, yet when i posted that it sounded like Rooney was having one of "those" games, i had numerous posts back saying it was the usual gang mob picking on the easy target that he's now become rather than tactics / lack of pace and power / goal threat and Rooney just wants to do it all become others just aren't doing it.
I would personally like to see him dropped as he has been off for years, his touch is bad compared to others and he does seem scared to shoot unlike the old days..but i really do think the slating he's also getting saying he's washed out etc is just so wrong. Every player goes through bad patches and he's carried United through the last few years when lets face it, the team was shite. So lets give him a break, back off with the shouting at him as he's a legend for us, bench him and maybe then he'll start to become our new super sub for the rest of the season or something
I wasn't able to watch or listen to the game due to other commitments but managed to follow it via posts on the caf / bbc.
A ridiculous amount of posts in the utd vs city thread were slating Rooney saying his touch is off yet again, afraid to shoot, passes back rather than going forward, he's lost it etc etc, yet when i posted that it sounded like Rooney was having one of "those" games, i had numerous posts back saying it was the usual gang mob picking on the easy target that he's now become rather than tactics / lack of pace and power / goal threat and Rooney just wants to do it all become others just aren't doing it.
I would personally like to see him dropped as he has been off for years, his touch is bad compared to others and he does seem scared to shoot unlike the old days..but i really do think the slating he's also getting saying he's washed out etc is just so wrong. Every player goes through bad patches and he's carried United through the last few years when lets face it, the team was shite. So lets give him a break, back off with the shouting at him as he's a legend for us, bench him and maybe then he'll start to become our new super sub for the rest of the season or something
Never mind dropping which seems to be a fantasy at the moment, why does LVG never sub him ?
I was referencing his displacement or Martial to accommodate Rooney.
But I suppose.... nothing comes close to the coverage you must get in Toronto.
Cpt always plays. I think he might've been quite literal about the always.
I wonder why no journalists have the balls to ask LVG about that. I have never journos ask such a direct question to a manger ("Why do you keep playing Rooney when he is this bad ?")
As bad as it sounds I'm hoping Rooney picks up an injury just to keep out of the side for a few months. I'd rather he found his form but I'm becoming increasingly pessimistic about his future. I fear a situation whereby he is allowed to continue playing badly and the home fans turn on him. Would be horrible to see that considering how important he's been to use throughout the years, I'd rather he bow out with grace than become a burden.
Straight swap with Stones? I'd take a straight swap with Barry, just get rid of him.
They will do it's inevitable. Won't be with us or starting for England within 12 months I say.
The English media themselves refuse to recognise how shite Rooney has been. So it's why they never bother asking him.
This shouldn't deteriorate into a Rooney bashing thread for the haters, but many valid points have been made. It's perfectly obvious that we're witnessing the understandable and inevitable decline of a once extremely good player. He still works hard and provides leadership, and will still have some great moments, but they'll be much less frequent. Sir Alex seems to have had the read of Rooney, and his decision to phase him out (which, it seems, he had set the table for) may have been wise. At present, we're left with a player who is badly underperforming relative to his contract. A new striker, or versatile forward capable of playing in a number of attacking positions, must be a priority.
They wouldn't let Stones go for Rooney no chance.
Throw Jones in as well that'll clinch it.
No, just no. I wouldn't have Barry for all the tea in China.
The fact is that Rooney was a top player at a young age and he is now finished. It should be obvious to anyone with a pair of eyes. His pace is gone, his fast reactions are gone, he is no more a top class player, obviously we should not forget his contribution to United during his career as a top class player. But his time is over, we need a much better man up front if we are to progress. I would love for Rooney to come through and start blasting balls into the opponents net. But common sense tells me it is not going to happen, I hope I am wrong but I very much doubt it. He is slower than he was in years gone by. Lingard would be a better option up front right now, as he is a young player who has the skills needed and is hungry for success. Rooney has no pressure, he could play like a shopping trolley and still be on next match. That is not right in my opinion. Never even taken off, and that sends him the message that he is fine no matter how shit he plays.
He was not rank bad awful today, but he was no better than average with regard to his attacking responsibilities.
With 20 mins to go as Lingaard came one, the sensible decision was to take Rooney off, move Martial across to no 9 position and play Lingaard wide left. Kompany was on yellow card and the game was begging for Martial's pace and trickery to have a go. Instead Mata came off, Lingaard replaced him wide right; Rooney stayed central no 9 and Martial stayed wide left.
I suspect thats simply because Rooney clearly enjoys undrop-able and unsub-able status. It sucks.
I think thats what todays frustration is about.
I'd let him go for free tbh, relieves us of his galactical salary and he won't be stinking up the changing room if the manager grows the balls to drop him.
And give his still blinded supporters the excuse of needing games after injury to get back into form? No thanks though I agree with your sentiment. An injury will be the only way LVG doesn't play him.
this isn't a patch, he has been like this all season I'm afraid. whether he is physically fading or not suited to LVGs philosophy (how ironic is that?) he is a constant red flag in the team. Years of service are great and he would have been hailed for it back then and rightly so, that doesn't or shouldn't give him a free pass now if its hindering the team moving forward.
There was a consensus where I was sat that he should be dropped & certainly should have got the hook. A lot of frustrated fans at his performance especially when you have Martial almost wasted out wide.
Personally I thought LVG was tactically naive today. Against Kompany you need to match his physicality & Rooney when on fire or struggling will never be able to do that. Martial for his physical qualities should have been up top today & maybe Rooney wide, even more so as the game got stretched.
Despite that it still wasn't a performance from a player nailing 300,000 dabs a week!
Personally I thought LVG was tactically naive today. Against Kompany you need to match his physicality & Rooney when on fire or struggling will never be able to do that. Martial for his physical qualities should have been up top today & maybe Rooney wide, even more so as the game got stretched.
Despite that it still wasn't a performance from a player nailing 300,000 dabs a week!
he must be dropped
May have been posted already but
Thank feck for that!
Can the rest of the press please wake up and discuss this farce?!
Kompany was on a yellow card from the first half, putting Martial centre for even last 20 minutes would have caused him problems with his pace and quick feet. Having a basic physical battle with Rooney all game was right up his street
May have been posted already but
But...eh, he tried!
We have same damn level of resources as those clubs and they wouldn't put up with this shite either, so no, you feck off with your lack of ambition.
Mate he gave the ball away 28 times.
biggest Wayne Rooney here but he gives no one a chance to defend him. Even the late Johnnie Cochran would struggle to defend this guy now.
You shouldn't make any shit defender looks like Nesta mixed by Franco Baresi world class style. The guy is so poor he made City defenders looks miles better than they were.
Even Titus Bramble in his worst form would fit Rooney nicely into his pocket it seems.
You shouldn't make any shit defender looks like Nesta mixed by Franco Baresi world class style. The guy is so poor he made City defenders looks miles better than they were.
Even Titus Bramble in his worst form would fit Rooney nicely into his pocket it seems.
If they wouldn't sell Stones to Chelsea for the money they were offering, they sure as hell wouldn't do a straight swap for Rooney.
May have been posted already but
Mata was even substituted.
Martial is such a better fit as a striker for us at the moment. I'm struggling to see what LVG is seeing. I'm not even saying Rooney is finished but just so out of form its untrue
But your whole point was that he was disrespecting sensitive souls like yourself by refusing to answer questions about Rooney. Or is your real point that you are upset with him for playing Rooney? (which is fine because I am too - I just don't feel disrespected; same as when Moyes was here.)
Not sure what my being in Toronto has to do with anything other than allowing you a chance to score points in an internet argument - if that's the case, then advantage iKeano!
Yea but Bramble was better than Zidane.
This is all on Van Gaal and his stubbornness is the reason why he won't go down in history as a top manager. There is no way a sane manager would watch that and not only keep playing him but never subbing him off when he is clearly holding the team back, we had City on the ropes and if we didn't have a dispossession machine (stolen) in our attack we could have etched out a few more chances and possibly won the match just as it was vs Swansea. I have had my doubts re-Van Gaal but this farce has convinced me that we need to get rid and bring in someone who is more adventurous and is quick enough to see his mistakes and rectify them - he did it last year with Herrera, almost did with Smalling this year, repeated it with Herrera whilst all the while allowing Rooney to drag the team down to his Sunday league level.
This thread has been far more entertaining than that derby. Keep it up, people.
LVG isn't blind, he can see it too. It doesn't look good to drop your captain, and perhaps he offers a lot in the dressing room that would effect morale if he was left out. He's an absolute liability on the pitch though. He's been a hot/cold player all through his career but he looks totally finished at this point. It doesn't bode well for us if we must persist with him, nor for England at the Euro's next summer. I doubt Hodgson will have the balls to drop him from the national team either.
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