And yet he was involved at some point, just like Martial for second goal who was fauled and didnt even touch the ball yet him coming to recieve the ball made Colman moving out of position and creating Rojo space which he used to deliver perfect cross for Herrera. Martial didnt asissted directly but he played his small yet important part, at least IMO, just like Rooney. And what whould be my reasons to defend Rooney, he was our worst player for a majority of matches this season, dont think I dont see that.
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And yet he was involved at some point, just like Martial for second goal who was fauled and didnt even touch the ball yet him coming to recieve the ball made Colman moving out of position and creating Rojo space which he used to deliver perfect cross for Herrera. Martial didnt asissted directly but he played his small yet important part, at least IMO, just like Rooney. And what whould be my reasons to defend Rooney, he was our worst player for a majority of matches this season, dont think I dont see that.
Just like Rooney is frequently tagged as one of the fastest in the league? He doesn't catch Rooney of 5 years ago, not a chance, let alone a young Rooney
Like I said. Every player was involved at some point so it was a fairly redundant statement.
He's claiming that Rooney's poor performances are due to lack of service from Herrera and/or having to play in deeper positions because Herrera hasn't been good enough in those roles.
It's just complete bollocks. Herrera has easily outperformed Rooney since he joined us and has been the main victim of Van Gaal picking Rooney no matter what.
One of the stats is indeed 'Total Forward Passes', if you cared to look at it.
We would. We'd say 'Howard made it easy for him' or 'Howard dived way too early' or 'Martial got a little lucky there' or my favourite, 'That's how you do it Rooney!'.
That wasn't my point in fairness. Passing stats for a striker is pretty much the equivalent of goals stats for a defender. It isn't really their job. The only one that should matter is goals. The others are forward facing in the sense that they attack the opposition. Rooney, is nowhere near as direct which is reflected in both his goals output and his passing stats.
I think it means he's playing poor on purpose, because the rest of the new signings are still adjusting to the philosophy (even Bastian) which is in turn making Rooney look poor. And while Herrera looks good sometimes picking up the odd man of the match, anyone who's played the game will tell you its really down to Wayne's selflessnessfullyness
Watched the game finally, and just want to comment on one situation. I can't believe some people actually praised him for that pass to Martial when he was one on one with Howard from right hand side. He was in much much better position to shoot than Martial, how can anyone see that as a good decision by him?
It would be smart piece of play if no one was there but there was Coleman marking Martial, two players in front of Martial already(on goal) and it was slow pass so Howard was already back on goal when Martial took the shot.
He should have taken a shot, no one would blame him if he missed that.
It would be smart piece of play if no one was there but there was Coleman marking Martial, two players in front of Martial already(on goal) and it was slow pass so Howard was already back on goal when Martial took the shot.
He should have taken a shot, no one would blame him if he missed that.
You are wrong. One of the stats is forward passes per match. Costa is the only one with a higher average, but hes only played two games. Some people are so desperate to have a go they'll ignore facts.
Hes actually first or second in every stat in that list. Considering three are chances created, forward passes and key passes i'd say you're talking nonsense.
Rooney has seemed to be awful this season but he has 8 goals in his last ten matches for club and country. Not a horrendous return.
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Putting those figures into context though you have 2 International penalties, a hatrick vs second rate opposition, a single goal against second rate opposition and a ball that bounced off his unaware corpse from a Martial pull back.
I agree, but hes still put the ball in the back of the net 8 times in his last 10 games.
Another way would be to say he got a European hattrick, scored two international goals and got a great poachers goal from a Martial cutback.
Rooney played from a deeper position, he played the #10 role, he is bound to have more forward passes, also unlike the other players mentioned he was supposed to feed our striker which he didn't do effectively.
Rooney is good as a striker, he is a very good finisher and his technique suits the position but he is a liability deeper, because his positional sense is doubtful and his technique inconsistent.
And if the other way of saying it reflected his performances more accurately his match rating would be far higher than 5.4 - truth be told people would be singing his praises and saying "he's back" if his hatrick were at Arsenal, his Ipswich goal were against Newcastle and his 2 International penalties were screamers against Swansea.
Truth be told no one could argue with the following statement accurately reflecting his season thus far: racking up numbers against shite opposition, stinking out the place against decent-good opposition and a decent finish vs Everton. Oh and 2 penalties in dead rubber games for England.
The only really good opposition we've played is Arsenal and Everton. The whole team was awful in one game, he scored and played quite well against Everton. Hes had a pretty poor start but he is slowly improving, whilst still scoring goals, at this point in time against fairly crap opposition. Still scored 8 in 10. However you want to say it, those are the figures.
Winning titles involves your big name players making the difference against the decent-good teams - the likes of Newcastle, Swansea and Arsenal or how Herrera turned up against Everton, or Martial vs Southampton, or Schweinsteiger vs Liverpool, or Smalling in 5-6 games so far, hell even Mata inspiring the win against Sunderland.
When Rooney inspires the team to a win he'll go some way to getting credit that doesn't resemble: he's been awful but at least he's scored 4 goals against terrible oppositiom and a couple of penalties for England. If he had 15 goals in 10 it wouldnt matter if 14 were scored against Ipswich, Brugge and San Marino; so why use those stats to try to mask the fact that he's been dreadful when it's mattered.
I'm not saying hes not been poor
I'm not trying to mask anything. I've said several times hes been poor. You clearly can't be reasoned with. Its a little too black and white for you i think.
I think he means you are trying to polish a turd with Rooneys goals this season
My only point is that there's no reason to say "not a horrendous return, 8 in 10" without giving it context. Of course it isn't a horrendous return, in fact in a 55 game season he'd be scoring 44 goals and winning every individual trophy going, but we all know that's never going to happen because of the context of his goals.
The 8 in 10 statement alone comes across as quite disingenuous; as if you were implying irrespective of his form he's still been prolific. Naturally that wasn't your intention so I apologise if my post came off as adversarial.
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Haha. He'd have been slaughtered for shooting from a difficult angle when Martial was better placed in the middle.
He simply does have 8 goals in his last 10 games though. You can say some were pens and some were against lesser opposition, but so what? That'll always be the case when strikers go on runs. And Rooney is currently in one.
I'm not disputing the fact, I'm saying that irrespective of the fact he's not been prolific and has been wholly terrible over that period. It's like using clean sheets this season to praise Mignolet... Ok so what? He's still awful.
I just don't see what bringing it up proves or illustrates? That even when he's playing like a Championship striker he can... Score like a Championship striker?
This thread has turned into a pitch for buying Vardy iun January.
Exactly. People just need to stop using statistics and open their damn eyes to actually watch what goes on during the game.
But pretty much everyone who has pointed out that his scoring ratio this season isn't too bad has also said that his overall play has been lacking in a lot of games.
However, if he can still score at a reasonable rate while playing badly, that bodes well for if/when he starts to pick up form - and there are signs that he is starting to.
Except that 3 of those 8 have come from a single game against injury riddled second string opposition, 2 from international penalties, and you can see how important context is.
As I said last night, scoring runs will always involve goals against soft opposition. That's the nature of a run. If he goes another 5 games without scoring, then by all means tell me I was talking nonsense.
But maybe he'll keep up his current 1 in 2 ratio, or even start to better it. I guess we'll see.
Yes, but his scoring 'run' has exclusively come against soft opposition, with the possible exception of Everton if you're going to count the third goal in a three - nil win as important.
That goal he scored was important tbf. Everton were pushing for a goal, which would have guaranteed a nervy end. That goal killed their remaining hope of getting something.
If he hadnt scored those goals, you would have complained as well. Nobody is saying that he's been Lewandowski like, but his return has been decent even though he isnt in the best form of his career.
Rooney has 8 in 10 games for club and country, did you know?
Honestly that's not even a great goalscoring stat for a player of his supposed quality. Then take out one game and 3 goals where opposition bent over. Siddenly you're on 5 in 9 not looking great. Oh and then 2 international penalties...I mean goals are goals but still, facts dont say the full story ._.
Honestly that's not even a great goalscoring stat for a player of his supposed quality. Then take out one game and 3 goals where opposition bent over. Siddenly you're on 5 in 9 not looking great. Oh and then 2 international penalties...I mean goals are goals but still, facts dont say the full story ._.
If you take away all of his career goals he's scored 0 in god knows how many hundreds of games. For a player of his quality and on the wages he is on, that's absolutely shocking and an insult to us fans.
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It's a valid point thought - if we're looking at his performances this season on stats alone, you'll say it's a good season so far based on his return i.e on numbers alone. If you actually watch the quality and type of goals and his performances, it's a totally different story. I mean, the player's worth should be a marriage of the two, and not one or the other. I'm in the camp where his performances have been shocking and the type/quality of his goals aren't far behind. A hat trick against a pub team, one off his knee that he didn't have a clue about, and 2 penalties.
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When you choose numbers to suit then yeah maybe. 2 league goals in 8 games. 1 away league goal in the past 12 months.... Numbers can be represented in many ways tbh.
Yea, but conversely, you can be putting up low numbers but your performances are encouraging or you're creating or you can actually see the player is playing well etc.
I agree. I believe we can ALL see he isn't particulalry playing well.... enough said.
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Again not playing well is one thing. Everyone has their purple patches. But rooney not playing well is championship level at best. That's worrying. We need all the pts we can get, and him not doing the basic hurt the team so much that his occasional goals against cannon fodder wont help.
Haha I had no idea what that was all about, so I backed away from the keyboard slowly....
I realised how bad that post sounds, throwing numbers about here and there. But in reality, its a good point.
You say 8 in 10 is a decent turn around.
Break it down -
3 goals in 1 champions league qualifier game.
2 penalties in 2 international qualifier games.
3 goals in the other 7 games
And its not just the goal stats, its the manner in which they are scored. None of them have made me feel like 'wow classic rooney goal, hes back'. They feel empty man. Basic goals. Its not consistent basic goals, and neither inconsistent world class goals. Just average average goals.
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