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Btw I have a sneaking suspiscion that in fact LVG doesn't rate Rooney.

I think he's talking him up as a direct challenge to him to start performing.

Stating that he isn't happy with Rooney as a striker is about as much as a man can openly criticise the man who means too much. Rooney certainly isn't a better number 10 than Mata is, yet LVG seemed to criticse him too.

I dunno - I still have the feeling we'll play better without Rooney, but that we missed the boat where selling him is concerned and now have to continually challenge him and massage his ego to get any value out of his huge contract.

I wonder what Louis really makes of some of our players.
 
After LVG's recent comments it may take a run of games with Rooney malfunctioning at no.10 to sort this shit out once and for all. He doesn't have the game to play there. He's either a striker or you bench him as far as i'm concerned.
 
Yep, it's an interesting and strange comment at the same time by LvG that not only did he say that he wasn't that satisfied with Rooney as a striker, but also stated that Falcao would be more suitable there.

LvG really has a job to do now, because even if you take Mata out of the equation (and let's be honest, Mata being the nice guy he is, won't even moan too much), LvG still needs to keep all 3 strikers happy.
 
shamans said:
He's being paid that much for his marketability. English, Manchester United, Striker and famous.
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His being payed that much cos of Moyes, if SAF was still here he would have sold him off by now!

I'm not his biggest fan but will admit that his a hard worker on the pitch.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It's chicken and egg. The best players at any big club tend to be the most marketable.

Unless you think he's marketable on the basis of his good looks?
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Well, I suppose because he's been the face of England since he burst on the scene as a teenager has played a part too. He's also the third highest earning footballer in the world in terms of advertising (behind Neymar and Messi) which doesn't accurately reflect his ability in contrast (Or Neymar's). Definitely how good you are plays a huge part but so does the stature of the player in their country and their previous reputation, not to mention his private relationship is in fact very public too.
 
Cina said:
Well, I suppose because he's been the face of England since he burst on the scene as a teenager has played a part too. He's also the third highest earning footballer in the world in terms of advertising (behind Neymar and Messi) which doesn't accurately reflect his ability in contrast (Or Neymar's). Definitely how good you are plays a huge part but so does the stature of the player in their country and their previous reputation, not to mention his private relationship is in fact very public too.
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There's two elements to it. The player and the club. Best player at biggest club = massive marketability. Don't think there's much more to it than that.

If Ronaldo was still at United he's be absolutely miles more marketable than Rooney.

EDIT: Is Ronaldo really fourth in that list you mentioned? Wtf? Madrid need to sack someone in their marketing department...
 
Dans said:
Btw I have a sneaking suspiscion that in fact LVG doesn't rate Rooney.

I think he's talking him up as a direct challenge to him to start performing.

Stating that he isn't happy with Rooney as a striker is about as much as a man can openly criticise the man who means too much. Rooney certainly isn't a better number 10 than Mata is, yet LVG seemed to criticse him too.

I dunno - I still have the feeling we'll play better without Rooney, but that we missed the boat where selling him is concerned and now have to continually challenge him and massage his ego to get any value out of his huge contract.

I wonder what Louis really makes of some of our players.
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Nah, I think LVG definitely rates Rooney quite highly. There's setting out a challenge to a player where you think they might improve, but if you're going out and making someone captain when you've got plenty of top talents in attack and play him regularly as a central figure to the team, then it's fairly clear that LVG rates him highly and has faith in him.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Actually, he's being paid that much because he's been a hugely important player for one of the biggest/wealthiest clubs in the world for 10 years already and recently signed a new long term contract.
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(Rooney = Commercial revenue - ££££££££'s) shhhh.... don't tell anyone
 
Dans said:
Btw I have a sneaking suspiscion that in fact LVG doesn't rate Rooney.

I think he's talking him up as a direct challenge to him to start performing.

Stating that he isn't happy with Rooney as a striker is about as much as a man can openly criticise the man who means too much. Rooney certainly isn't a better number 10 than Mata is, yet LVG seemed to criticse him too.

I dunno - I still have the feeling we'll play better without Rooney, but that we missed the boat where selling him is concerned and now have to continually challenge him and massage his ego to get any value out of his huge contract.

I wonder what Louis really makes of some of our players.
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:confused: He made him captain and revealed he has special privileges?
 
Pogue Mahone said:
There's two elements to it. The player and the club. Best player at biggest club = massive marketability. Don't think there's much more to it than that.

If Ronaldo was still at United he's be absolutely miles more marketable than Rooney.

EDIT: Is Ronaldo really fourth in that list you mentioned? Wtf? Madrid need to sack someone in their marketing department...
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That was an old list actually, most recent ones state Ronaldo as #1.

Anyway, my point wasn't a negative, we pay Rooney so much in part because he is so valuable to us in terms of marketability and advertising too, and yeah, that's as a direct consequence of what he's achieved here. I'm pretty sure I've read certain reports stating portions of that 300k figure are reliant on shirt sales and advertising etc too.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
:confused: He made him captain and revealed he has special privileges?
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As many others have said, we don't have players who are more senior at United than him. He basically had no choice if you ask me and even if you think he did, then I would suggest that this is another ploy to get better performances out of Rooney.
 
Dans said:
As many others have said, we don't have players who are more senior at United than him. He basically had no choice if you ask me and even if you think he did, then I would suggest that this is another ploy to get better performances out of Rooney.
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Of course he had a choice, you really think van Gaal would have made him captain had he not rated him? No chance.
 
Yep, I do.

Make RVP captain and you piss off Rooney. He's a temperamental hot head and too much of a primadonna - much like Ronaldo, who I'd also consider to be the last man I'd make a captain.
 
Dans said:
Yep, I do.

Make RVP captain and you piss off Rooney. He's a temperamental hot head and too much of a primadonna - much like Ronaldo, who I'd also consider to be the last man I'd make a captain.
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Well then you're blinded by hate.
 
Don't be so fecking daft. I don't rate him as much as others do as a footballer (he's not in Ronaldo or Messi league by a long long way) and I certainly don't rate him as a captain. I don't know him, so how could I hate him?

It's daft to bandy a word like that about frankly. I could say you're blinded by unrequited love though.
 
Dans said:
Don't be so fecking daft. I don't rate him as much as others do as a footballer (he's not in Ronaldo or Messi league by a long long way) and I certainly don't rate him as a captain. I don't know him, so how could I hate him?

It's daft to bandy a word like that about frankly. I could say you're blinded by unrequited love though.
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van Gaal is a manager unconcerned with agitating players for the good of the team, we know this, this is fact. Yet you suggest he made Rooney captain because he was wary of upsetting him?
van Gaal has, on more than one occasion, complimented Rooney. He's also made him captain, something of high importance to van Gaal, yet you suggest he doesn't actually rate him?
 
I think before LVG even came to Utd he had worked out Rooney and would have realized that due to the latter's status in England he would have to be cautious and smart in handling him. How LVG handles Mata as well as any further signings will truly reveal LVG's plans for Rooney.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
van Gaal is a manager unconcerned with agitating players for the good of the team, we know this, this is fact. Yet you suggest he made Rooney captain because he was wary of upsetting him?
van Gaal has, on more than one occasion, complimented Rooney. He's also made him captain, something of high importance to van Gaal, yet you suggest he doesn't actually rate him?
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You can upset him perhaps a month or two after he's shown you he's not got what you want. You can't do that right at the begining of the season.
 
He needs to have proper justification is what I am saying. I would imagine United board also know no one his interested in Rooney and we will not be selling him any time soon so we need to get the most out of him.
 
Dans said:
He needs to have proper justification is what I am saying. I would imagine United board also know no one his interested in Rooney and we will not be selling him any time soon so we need to get the most out of him.
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So the board are interfering with team selection and van Gaal's decision making?
 
KiD MoYeS said:
So the board are interfering with team selection and van Gaal's decision making?
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It wouldn't surprise me in the least. I doubt it's uncommon anywhere. It'll be nothing compared to what the Bayern board did when he was there.
 
Cina said:
Well, I suppose because he's been the face of England since he burst on the scene as a teenager has played a part too. He's also the third highest earning footballer in the world in terms of advertising (behind Neymar and Messi) which doesn't accurately reflect his ability in contrast (Or Neymar's). Definitely how good you are plays a huge part but so does the stature of the player in their country and their previous reputation, not to mention his private relationship is in fact very public too.
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Yeah, I don't think you actually said anything I disagree with.

Mainly responding to one or two of the thread's resident loons who keep bleating about him only being paid/picked because of his "marketability". The inference being that this is somehow distinct to what he delivers on the pitch.
 
Dans said:
It wouldn't surprise me in the least. I doubt it's uncommon anywhere. It'll be nothing compared to what the Bayern board did when he was there.
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Once again, I would conclude that if your suspicions are correct then we're screwed, no matter what any of our thoughts might be on Rooney.

I doubt they are correct, though. Don't think Van Gaal would stand for that shit.
 
Before Van Gaall arrived, all anyone could talk about (rather gleefully I might add) was how Van Gaal would come here and drop Rooney in favour of RVP and how he would realise that Wayne Rooney was in fact shit at football. This was all based on Van Gaal's reputation of dropping players if he didn't like them and not giving a shit about the boardroom.

Of course Van Gaal came in and made Rooney his captain and by all accounts seems to rate him very highly. You would think at this stage some people would rethink their ridiculous opinions on Rooney but no we're back to the board dictating Van Gaal's team selections.

The lengths people go to to blame Rooney is quite astonishing.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
:lol: so utterly stupid.

Play him as one of the two uptop, please.
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LVG has already stated that he's not good enough to be apart of the front 2 and also said Rooney prefers to play behind them as a #10. Then goes on to say he wasn't happy with Mata as a #10. Looks to me LVG is trying to fit Rooney in as he knows himself Rooney's days of a top striker are over and we all know Mata is the better #10. I don't like this 1 bit. Again Rooney is having a say in decisions on the pitch which I don't like. I don't want this to happen with any player. (Basically LVG telling Rooney he's not good enough to play upfront and Rooney saying well then I will play behind them = tell Mata to f-off - in simple terms).
Right now I hope we change formation to 4-3-3 with 2 wingers, play 1 of Valencia/Young/Januzaj or bring back Nani from loan, i dont care how but it must be done so we don't have accommodate all the highest earners on the pitch at the same time (if Mata can be dropped then so should any of Rooney, Falcao or RVP be able to). It would be better if we had 1 of RVP/Falcao at ST, 1 of Rooney/Mata at #10 and bench the other 2 so we can bring on some quality off the bench when needed. Performance and form should determine who starts and no player should be give more privileges than any other. This will then show the true class of these players and which player rightfully deserve a place at UTD.
 
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