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Thought he was mediocre. A mixture of a few great passes, a few horrendous first touches that caused the opposition to re-group, a few good defensive contributions and a few stupid mistakes (such as for their 3rd).

Bollocking the defense is absolutely fine, but I'd like to see him leading by example. A quality captain for instance goes up to Herrera and tells him to calm down after his first hoof upfield post meltdown, rather than losing their head and starting to run around like a headless chicken. I'd like to see him apply a bit of intelligence and composure (in the form of a bollocking if needed), rather than just ranting, raving and losing his own head.

I'm curious to know how anyone on here would know whether that happened or not?

Obviously, the bollocking is obvious as it's smack bang in the middle of all the replays of that goal. I have absolutely no idea about whatever other quiet words he was or wasn't having with team mates. I suspect you don't either.
 
The thing is, it's not really the time for a bollocking is it? You were winning 3-1 ten minutes ago, shit has hit the fan and now you're at 3-3... now, I'm no psychologist, but I would imagine that at this point you'd want everyone to take a deep breath and calm the feck down. Keep it simple, don't do anything stupid and get back into a winning position... who knows, Rooney's ranting and raving could well have contributed to the fact that our players started to charge forward like moronic maniacs after that point.

But then I'm not a professional football, so feck knows what they respond to.
 
He's not really captain material, never been one but this captaincy lark is overstated. You shouldn't need someone tellng you to calm things down, it should be fecking obvious.

That said there's no better choice than Rooney so he's captain by default.
 
I'm curious to know how anyone on here would know whether that happened or not?

Obviously, the bollocking is obvious as it's smack bang in the middle of all the replays of that goal. I have absolutely no idea about whatever other quiet words he was or wasn't having with team mates. I suspect you don't either.

The fact that Herrera went on to imitate the behavior two more times without Rooney bollocking him would suggest either he did not say it, or he said something and was wholly ignored. However if Rooney warned him after his first panicked hoof, then he would have absolutely destroyed him after the second or third I'm sure.
 
I just want to say that I have no issue with Rooney giving it to the defenders. So add me to that side of the argument.
 
I just want to say that I have no issue with Rooney giving it to the defenders. So add me to that side of the argument.
What about when he played Blackett short twice with bad passes which in turn gave Leicester 2 dangerous free kicks, and his bad clearance that led to the goal where he decided to have a go at everyone else? Needs to take responsibility for his own actions before blaming everyone else I think.
 
What about when he played Blackett short twice with bad passes which in turn gave Leicester 2 dangerous free kicks, and his bad clearance that led to the goal where he decided to have a go at everyone else? Needs to take responsibility for his own actions before blaming everyone else I think.

He does need too. I would like to think he did after the match or someone else on the match let him know. That doesn't mean he is not allowed to tell other players when they are making mistakes though. It is his job as captain.
 
I'm normally very much in the anti-Rooney camp, and while I felt his performance wasn't great yesterday and the lack of Mata created an unbalance in the team, I feel the need to defend some of the captaincy criticism levelled at Rooney. So here goes...

Time for context:

1) Rooney is a new captain, he hasn't had time to experience and develop a type of leadership he's happy with yet. That takes anybody time. What worked for Roy Keane 15 years ago might not work today. We can't expect the same. He's just an (overpaid) lad that lost the ball away and was frustrated with himself and those around him and chose to warn everyone with the first emotion that came to mind, anger. At least he did something.

2) A continuation of point 1, the new players may all require different types of leadership too. They have all come from different cultures. He shouted to get a reaction, right or wrong, in that split second many of you reading this and many players would have done the same.

3) Had United claimed victory again after the 3-3 shout, he'd have been applauded for showing passion for United (finally). We didn't, it was on TV, he gave the ball away for the goal directly before it, as such it's now viewed as a negative.

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The match is done now. What's happened has tragically happened and it can't be undone or analysed beyond what we have already discussed on this thread already. Let's see how Wayne does in the next test and judge that effort then. For all we know, he could be sat in Carrington with his arms around the new lads encouraging them and re-enforcing the standards of the club, the expectations on them and what's needed to move forward.
 
He does need too. I would like to think he did after the match or someone else on the match let him know. That doesn't mean he is not allowed to tell other players when they are making mistakes though. It is his job as captain.

How is bollocking everyone - when they're all clearly shitting their pants - in any way helpful?

People keep saying "Well Keane did it all the time etc. etc." but, and correct me if I'm wrong here, Keane rarely shouted at people after conceding a goal. He'd generally bollock players for mistakes that didn't lead anywhere, probably because he knew they needed some sort of wake-up call/jolt. After just conceding though, he'd generally encourage... largely because that's what's needed at that time.
 
3) Had United claimed victory again after the 3-3 shout, he'd have been applauded for showing passion for United (finally). We didn't, it was on TV, he gave the ball away for the goal directly before it, as such it's now viewed as a negative.

But that's a paradox isn't it? After it went to 3-3, we were still incredibly edgy, people were charging around the field and there was no calmness in our play. Whilst I'm not saying Rooney's shouting made everyone do that, it's hardly going to calm everyone down is it?
 
But that's a paradox isn't it? After it went to 3-3, we were still incredibly edgy, people were charging around the field and there was no calmness in our play. Whilst I'm not saying Rooney's shouting made everyone do that, it's hardly going to calm everyone down is it?

Very true but it's one of those typical moments in football, once it's shown on TV, if it works it's applauded if it doesn't it's wrong. He could have had quiet words with some of the players after our 3rd goal or their 2nd too, I don't know, but if he did then the shouting and frustration would be understood. It wasn't on TV so it won't get discussed, only those that were there and saw it may know.
 
How is bollocking everyone - when they're all clearly shitting their pants - in any way helpful?

People keep saying "Well Keane did it all the time etc. etc." but, and correct me if I'm wrong here, Keane rarely shouted at people after conceding a goal. He'd generally bollock players for mistakes that didn't lead anywhere, probably because he knew they needed some sort of wake-up call/jolt. After just conceding though, he'd generally encourage... largely because that's what's needed at that time.

Dunno about Keane but Schmeicel was usually at his most vocal after we conceded.

Anyway, this whole "role of a captain" stuff is being made too much of. Yes, Rooney probably wasn't the calming influence we needed but there are all sorts of different leadership styles and he's obviously better suited to firing people up than calming them down. The specific bollocking was richly deserved though and must have come from the previous 10 minutes of shambolic defending, culminating in that absolutely absurd situation of Blind and Smalling getting in each other's way during what should have been a routine clearance. Smalling should have absolutely smashed Blind to get a decent header on the ball but ended up doing a pathetically half-arsed effort. We were defending like pussies, so maybe they needed to be fired up a bit, so they could start winning a few physical battles?

In the grand scheme of things it probably made very little difference in terms of helping us defend better but if the delicate flowers in our back four are going to collapse mentally because they got shouted out then our problems run deeper than I thought.
 
Dunno about Keane but Schmeicel was usually at his most vocal after we conceded.

Anyway, this whole "role of a captain" stuff is being made too much of. Yes, Rooney probably wasn't the calming influence we needed. The specific bollocking was richly deserved though and must have come from the previous 10 minutes of shambolic defending, culminating in that absolutely absurd situation of Blind and Smalling getting in each other's way during what should have been a routine clearance. In the grand scheme of things it probably made very little difference in terms of helping us defend better but if the delicate flowers in our back four are going to collapse mentally because they got shouted out then our problems run deeper than I thought.

That's sort of where I am - his ranting and raving most likely didn't help - but really, it was just his general performance... not as a captain, but as a footballer playing for Manchester United... in those last 20 or so minutes that I'm more bothered about, he completely lost the plot... but then all our players did in one way or another.

I wouldn't be suprised if these lot crumble after a bit of shouting though - we shit our pants as soon as the slightest thing goes wrong at the moment - so really, it's probably likely hat they don't respond all that well to a bollocking. We're a team of fecking pussies at the moment.
 
The most concerning thing for me about Rooney's performance was not his shouting, or his clearance, it was the fact that as the #10 picking up the holding man is his duty. He was berated for not doing this against Pirlo in 2012, he was berated for not doing this against Busquets in 2011, and he has never shown any real understanding of this part of playing #10. Cambiasso advanced to the edge of the box to smash home Leicester's third unimpeded.

Rooney, like the rest of them, lost his head. He started chasing the ball instead of chasing the men. As Van Gaal said, our defensive organisation from the front backwards fell apart at 3-2. Rooney's not to blame for that, although you can make your arguments about what the captain's job is there, but I worry about him as a #10. I think he should be played in a front two with one of Van Persie or Falcao being sacrificed. There Rooney will have more freedom and less responsibility. After Mata went off against QPR our diamond collapsed and the same things could be seen throughout the game yesterday, especially once we lost momentum.

IMO Van Gaal is mismanaging Rooney and his other attackers.
 
Never a surprise to see Pogue defending anything Rooney does and any of his performances are immune to criticism. It was a shit clearance. Absolute shit. If any defender done it then you would be pretty annoyed at them. Just clear it out of play, anywhere but right back into the danger zone. All he did afterwards was lose his head.
He's not a defender. Shit happens, get over it. Much worse defensive errors were made by the defence
 
Rooney The Worst Of United's Bad Bunch...

http://www.football365.com/winners-losers/9483336/Rooney-The-Worst-Of-United-s-Bad-Bunch...

There were complaints from Wayne Rooney that his teammates weren't doing their jobs after Esteban Cambiasso rifled home the equaliser. The red-faced striker marched around the pitch in a manner reminiscent of Roberto Mancini's self-combustion on the final day in 2012, barking at everyone and no-one. But Rooney was more to blame for United's performance than anyone.

Indeed, the captain's display reinforced that he is vastly inferior to the other attacking talents now available to Louis van Gaal. His touch was poor, his speed of thought absent, and his passing careless. It was nothing out of the ordinary, leaving United fans scratching their heads at Van Gaal's insistence that his captain "shall always play".

Rooney largely ignored his own errors post-match - such as the one that led to Cambiasso's strike - but his criticism of the defence is obviously justified to a point - whether it will encourage improvement is another matter. With two separate players conceding penalties, a red card for Tyler Blackett, Jonny Evans limping off and Marcos Rojo struggling against Vardy, it was another alarming display at the back.

It will not be easy for Van Gaal to fix either, considering the personnel he is left with. It's hardly enlightening analysis to recognise that United should have invested further in their defence during the summer splurge, but that only makes it more damning that the club failed to strengthen such a vital area of the team. Throwing stacks of cash at Falcao and Angel Di Maria doesn't prove that Ed Woodward is up to a job for which many deem him unsuitable.

What it does mean is that there was a silver lining to United's defeat, with Di Maria in particular oozing class over the first half. His finish to make it 2-0 was sublime, while an opportunistic effort from Falcao almost caught Kasper Schmeichel off his line again after the break, the striker's shot crashing off the cross bar. It's difficult to understand why both were replaced while Rooney remained the focal point of United's attack until the end.

"I have played Rooney as a striker, before Falcao came, but he thinks his best position is behind," said Van Gaal before the match. On Sunday's evidence, it's clear that Rooney should no longer be allowed to call the shots, especially when Juan Mata promises much of the quality his teammate lacks in the No.10 role.

It should also be remembered that Rooney moaned about not playing as a striker following Robin van Persie's arrival - a player's indecision over their best position often hints at a desperate attempt to halt an unstoppable decline. United would surely be stronger without Rooney starting at this stage.
 
I think he will be okay as a captain, I don't think the role is that important. He needs to step up his game as a player. He's full of mistakes, which is why I think he gets more criticism than someone like RVP.
 
My biggest problem with him in the #10 role is his ball distribution. He's somehow bent on sending it to the wings ( funnily enough, when he's sent a through ball through the middle he got an assist ). With diamond, problem is that he's then stretching our midfield too much - Herrera and ADM go to the wings to create an advantage with our fullbacks and that leaves midfield wide open just with Blind. While it's a necessity to sometimes play it through the wings, I think that given quality we've got and the diamond system itself we're using, we should be unlocking defences in the middle of the park, right in front of the 16 yard box.

This was missing yesterday. Our most threatening attacks and 2 goals came through the middle - there was a huge gap between de Laet and their right centre back that we've exploited for first goal ( Falcao breaking through, that goal came from a wing though ), then di Maria's goal - a through ball that sent him between the two, Herrera goal - again, between RdL and their right centre-back. Now, ADM's through ball to RVP that should've been converted to make it 1-0 went through the same channel, Rooney's lobbed through ball to Falcao, whose shot met the crossbar, got to the exactly same spot Herrera scored his goal from.

There was literally one or two attacks that were dangerous from the wings, one was Falcao's cross and second was some cross by Rafael that was met by nobody ( and iirc it ended with Herrera's goal after ADM set him up, again, through the middle ). But Rooney, due to our previous playstyle that relied on wings, seems to insist on sending the ball to the wings far too much. Thinking about goals that struck us, nearly all happened in the same manner - a winger is gifted a lot of space on the wing and he's free to cut inside and simply run with the ball on goal or cross it. First, second ( penalty incident came from the wing ), fourth and fifth goals - all started on the wings, because - imo - we were too stretched.

Of course when everybody started panicking and shitting themselves, we decided to drop the midfield completly and simply hoof it to Falcao/Rooney/RVP/Januzaj who were forced to the wings and then neutralised by Leicester's defenders. I imagine that in the perfect diamond, it's the strikers and fullbacks who drift wide ( feck you FIFA ) and the midfielders stay more compact in the middle - this allows them to stretch when hit on a counter and neutralise it. I do believe that Mata is simply more suited to this role, he's not afraid of playing quick one-two with other attackers through the middle ( was visible numerous times against QPR ) and doesn't spray it to wings as often.

tl;dr - if Rooney's to play the #10, he has to stop spraying it to the wings.
 


What it does mean is that there was a silver lining to United's defeat, with Di Maria in particular oozing class over the first half. His finish to make it 2-0 was sublime, while an opportunistic effort from Falcao almost caught Kasper Schmeichel off his line again after the break, the striker's shot crashing off the cross bar. It's difficult to understand why both were replaced while Rooney remained the focal point of United's attack until the end.

Only if you're an idiot. Try and think who played the pass that led to both those chances?

(aimed at the blogger, not you)
 
Whether Rooney had quiet words or just gave that bollocking is irrelevant for me, although it's highlighted as he's the captain. Everybody on the pitch is capable of having a quiet word with the bloke beside them and going 'hang on we need to calm down a bit here, keep the ball and kill their momentum'. Having a few players/leaders like that is far more important than the role of one person.

EDIT: It's also worth noting that a lot of these players are new to each other in football terms and so communication and understanding is not exactly top notch at the moment. That should improve with time.
 
Pogue's argument is ridiculously biased. Of course they play like strangers -they are and one week training didn't change that. It was Smalling's first appearance and Blind's second period. Half the team doesn't even speak English much less Northern English.

Rooney as captain should have been settling things at 3-2 and even more at 3-3. Maybe asking the manager or Giggs if they should defend at 3-1 instead of the gung ho naivety we saw from all including him to score more. Instructing Ander to stay deeper to help the tiring Blind and the same with Rojo who was leaving Blackett alone vs Vardy.

He is the captain, yet the only time we see him issuing instructions is after an equaliser he had a big hand in.

If he hasn't lost his experienced head like the rest of them we could have had a draw at least. If one person is not allowed to lose their shit it's him.
 
With the captains armband would it be time for Rooney to sacrifice playing upfront for a deeper (and more influential) role in midfield? Seems it might be worth a punt because at this rate we will be running Di Maria into the ground.

Still think this team will come good though. Too much talent not to improve and once the team starts to gel the defensive solidarity will get better. I just hope Rooney can somehow regain his pace (and touch) if he is playing behind the strikers.

Not bothered at all about the bollocking he gave. I think that's taken out of proportion. He was frustrated just like the rest of us and we were really poor in our desire to win 50/50 balls.
 
“We have played well but can improve and I was not so satisfied with Rooney as a striker and Mata as midfielder and that’s why I’m changing.

“Rooney can play in more positions, he’s a multi-functional player and I have tried him in a striker’s position. He’s played well but not spectacular and Falcao is a striker and I think he can do it better.”

LVG on Rooney
 
With the captains armband would it be time for Rooney to sacrifice playing upfront for a deeper (and more influential) role in midfield? Seems it might be worth a punt because at this rate we will be running Di Maria into the ground.

Still think this team will come good though. Too much talent not to improve and once the team starts to gel the defensive solidarity will get better. I just hope Rooney can somehow regain his pace (and touch) if he is playing behind the strikers.

Not bothered at all about the bollocking he gave. I think that's taken out of proportion. He was frustrated just like the rest of us and we were really poor in our desire to win 50/50 balls.
He doesn't have the ability to play in midfield, his passing and touch is suspect and he doesn't have the calmness about his play to survive at the top level midfield.
 
Only if you're an idiot. Try and think who played the pass that led to both those chances?

(aimed at the blogger, not you)

Lol, but, but...Rooney, nobody can do what he does, he can't be replaced....its impossible.. Hahaha

If you think Mata can't do what Rooney did with those 2 passes and I'd even go to say Mata would create and provide far more chances than Rooney then guess who's the........ and before you point out Mata is weak and got caught out on the ball, i don't want to see him in a deeper position but only as a #10 behind the strikers
 
Lol, but, but...Rooney, nobody can do what he does, he can't be replaced....its impossible.. Hahaha

If you think Mata can't do what Rooney did with those 2 passes and I'd even go to say Mata would create and provide far more chances than Rooney then guess who's the........ and before you point out Mata is weak and got caught out on the ball, i don't want to see him in a deeper position but only as a #10 behind the strikers
We'd be way more open defensively with mata in there instead of Rooney. Anyways, our attack wasn't a problem at all, we played probably our best attacking football since the start of 11/12 in these last couple of games. Our only problem was not being able to keep it tight at the back. We scored 3 and made chances to score a few more at least, the forwards did their job.
 
We'd be way more open defensively with mata in there instead of Rooney. Anyways, our attack wasn't a problem at all, we played probably our best attacking football since the start of 11/12 in these last couple of games. Our only problem was not being able to keep it tight at the back. We scored 3 and made chances to score a few more at least, the forwards did their job.

The team as a whole attacks and defends. Our tactics made it relatively easy for the forwards to do their job and very difficult for the defenders to do theirs. The team was very unbalanced. With another system of play our defense wouldn't have looked out of its depth. For instance, Chelsea don't play with 2 strikers, let alone with two strikers and another striker pretending to be a proper midfielder.
 
The team as a whole attacks and defends. Our tactics made it relatively easy for the forwards to do their job and very difficult for the defenders to do theirs. The team was very unbalanced. With another system of play our defense wouldn't have looked out of its depth. For instance, Chelsea don't play with 2 strikers, let alone with two strikers and another striker pretending to be a proper midfielder.
Even so, mata does next to nothing defensively so it's not really fair to say we would have been better with mata in for rooney. You could argue we would have kept the ball better but we would have been even more open on the break imo.
 
Too much being made out of his shouting.

What I think is more relevant is rooney as a number 10. Its just not ideal. While I think that upto the hour mark it was one of his better performances there, we would so much better off with someone who is genuinely excellent technically. Rooney's love for getting involved is all well and good but I think he needs to be played as a striker. If weve lost control of a game then given his touch under pressure, he's not the right number 10 to get your ball possession sorted again. He's more likeLy to mess up moves due to a heavy touch. He is however likely to put one in the back of the net, and that's why he needs to be played as a striker.
 
I generally make an effort to avoid this thread, but I succumbed today :wenger:. I have nothing against Rooney the person anymore, but I think Rooney the player is tactically and technically inferior to all our other starting options in the entire front six. I hope I'm wrong, he's now our captain after-all, but I can't see a way to have a cohesive and united team (pun intended) with him as a guaranteed starter. Here's to hoping he somehow regains his peak form.
 
The most concerning thing for me about Rooney's performance was not his shouting, or his clearance, it was the fact that as the #10 picking up the holding man is his duty. He was berated for not doing this against Pirlo in 2012, he was berated for not doing this against Busquets in 2011, and he has never shown any real understanding of this part of playing #10. Cambiasso advanced to the edge of the box to smash home Leicester's third unimpeded.

Rooney, like the rest of them, lost his head. He started chasing the ball instead of chasing the men. As Van Gaal said, our defensive organisation from the front backwards fell apart at 3-2. Rooney's not to blame for that, although you can make your arguments about what the captain's job is there, but I worry about him as a #10. I think he should be played in a front two with one of Van Persie or Falcao being sacrificed. There Rooney will have more freedom and less responsibility. After Mata went off against QPR our diamond collapsed and the same things could be seen throughout the game yesterday, especially once we lost momentum.

IMO Van Gaal is mismanaging Rooney and his other attackers.

Was thinking, wouldn't Herrera make the best no10 of all of our options? Good vision, looks like he's got a goal in him, can drop into midfield naturally and got the engine and defensive discipline that (mata for example lacks) comes with playing in midfield.
 
Even so, mata does next to nothing defensively so it's not really fair to say we would have been better with mata in for rooney. You could argue we would have kept the ball better but we would have been even more open on the break imo.

Personally, I think that only 2 out of Rooney, Falcao, RvP and Mata have to start in the more difficult games, especially away. Otherwise, the team lacks a proper ballance. I prefer Mata to Rooney since I regard him as a better No 10 but I'd agree that right now there isn't much between their performances. Rooney is physicall stronger, runs further than Mata and seems to be a more natural leader. But Rooney runs all over the pitch and doesn't help the team to keep shape, IMO. And technically he isn't just good enough to be the No 10 of one of the leading clubs in the world. Watch LvG getting dissatisfied with Rooney over the course of the season.
 
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