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markhrad said:
I am not saying his record is not impressive just that it is not surprising considering the time spent during our glory years.
Him being captain of England is probably deserved but it will just ensure that they remain winless in the Euros an WC.
Being captain of Utd is also deserved and will likely have the same result. No trophies.
Passion and a high work rate is not enough.
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Firstly, the suggestion that if only England had made someone other than Rooney captain then they would suddenly start to win trophies is odd to say the least. Wayne Rooney is frankly the least of England's problems. Their main one being that they don't produce *enough* players of the calibre of Wayne Rooney.

Secondly, there is much more than 'passion and a high work rate' to Rooney's game. He's a top class finisher, he can pick a killer ball in the final third, he has intelligent movement, he has a penchant for the spectacular, he's physically strong and - yes - he has a tremendous will to win (and that mentality is a real bonus even at the top level, as Fergie frequently said).

I sometimes think Wayne Rooney must be the greatest footballing conman since Ali Dia. The way he's managed to fool managers from Alex Ferguson to Sven Goran Eriksson to Fabio Capello to Louis Van Gaal into thinking he's an excellent forward player. When in actuality, he's basically the striking version of Tony Hibbert.

And if only we weren't all fanboys blinded by loyalty, we'd be able to see what markhard, Kevin and Hannibal (who are in no way blinded by their irrational dislike of Rooney the man, oh no) see as well.
 
NessunDorma said:
Firstly, the suggestion that if only England had made someone other than Rooney captain then they would suddenly start to win trophies is odd to say the least. Wayne Rooney is frankly the least of England's problems. Their main one being that they don't produce *enough* players of the calibre of Wayne Rooney.

Secondly, there is much more than 'passion and a high work rate' to Rooney's game. He's a top class finisher, he can pick a killer ball in the final third, he has intelligent movement, he has a penchant for the spectacular, he's physically strong and - yes - he has a tremendous will to win (and that mentality is a real bonus even at the top level, as Fergie frequently said).

I sometimes think Wayne Rooney must be the greatest footballing conman since Ali Dia. The way he's managed to fool managers from Alex Ferguson to Sven Goran Eriksson to Fabio Capello to Louis Van Gaal into thinking he's an excellent forward player. When in actuality, he's basically the striking version of Tony Hibbert.
I do not agree with the highlighted above but, I admit, that is subjective.
I, however, am a die-hard Utd fan and I am for anything or anyone that makes us successful on the field. Rooney is a money maker for the club. The highest rated English player in an English club. It is true that a lot of managers in other leagues say he is top class but how many have tried to buy him?
As much as I admire David Beckham his appeal with respect to Real, Ac Milan, PSG and the US was more based on marketing than ability.
I feel the same about Rooney.
And if only we weren't all fanboys blinded by loyalty, we'd be able to see what markhard, Kevin and Hannibal (who are in no way blinded by their irrational dislike of Rooney the man, oh no) see as well.
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NessunDorma said:
Firstly, the suggestion that if only England had made someone other than Rooney captain then they would suddenly start to win trophies is odd to say the least. Wayne Rooney is frankly the least of England's problems. Their main one being that they don't produce *enough* players of the calibre of Wayne Rooney.

Secondly, there is much more than 'passion and a high work rate' to Rooney's game. He's a top class finisher, he can pick a killer ball in the final third, he has intelligent movement, he has a penchant for the spectacular, he's physically strong and - yes - he has a tremendous will to win (and that mentality is a real bonus even at the top level, as Fergie frequently said).

I sometimes think Wayne Rooney must be the greatest footballing conman since Ali Dia. The way he's managed to fool managers from Alex Ferguson to Sven Goran Eriksson to Fabio Capello to Louis Van Gaal into thinking he's an excellent forward player. When in actuality, he's basically the striking version of Tony Hibbert.
I do not agree with the highlighted above but, I admit, that is subjective.
I, however, am a die-hard Utd fan and I am for anything or anyone that makes us successful on the field. Rooney is a money maker for the club. The highest rated English player in an English club. It is true that a lot of managers in other leagues say he is top class but how many have tried to buy him?
As much as I admire David Beckham his appeal with respect to Real, Ac Milan, PSG and the US was more based on marketing than ability.
And if only we weren't all fanboys blinded by loyalty, we'd be able to see what markhard, Kevin and Hannibal (who are in no way blinded by their irrational dislike of Rooney the man, oh no) see as well.
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Pogue Mahone said:
Often think playing for a "lesser" club can help a top striker with his individual stats. The team will be set up to get the best out of him and guaranteed to get a start in his preferred position, whenever fit. Alan Shearer being a good example. There's no chance of them spending a season or two playing out of position to get the best out of a phenomenon like Cristiano Ronaldo, for example.
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Well Andy Cole at Newcastle was able to play at Newcastle as just a goal scorer. I think that's a big part of why he struggled when he first moved to United. Had he settled quicker then his goalscoring return would've been more impressive. As it was he was still a great player for us. As much as I'm not a huge fan of Rooney for one reason or another but I wouldn't agree with anyone saying that Cole would definitely have out scored him in similar circumstances. It would've been close enough though.

I'm not sure Alan Shearer is that great an example of it. He'd have scored goals anywhere. Darren Bent a few years ago would've been a good example.
 
Mrs Smoker said:
Eight seasons, but yeah, ok, seven 'full' then if we combine 1994-95 and 2001-02. 147 for Rooney in his seven seasons here.
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He signed in January 95 and left in December 01 so seven would be fair. So not a huge difference given how Cole struggled at first. No penalties either.
 
I love Andy Cole, he was a class. Just recently saw all his goals, and those were some absolute beauties. No big difference, indeed, but I just disagreed (and still do) that he'd have more than Rooney.
 
Imagine how many more goals Rooney would have scored with a proper midfield behind him instead of Rooney being asked to score the goals and distribute play since 2010.
 
acnumber9 said:
Well Andy Cole at Newcastle was able to play at Newcastle as just a goal scorer. I think that's a big part of why he struggled when he first moved to United. Had he settled quicker then his goalscoring return would've been more impressive. As it was he was still a great player for us. As much as I'm not a huge fan of Rooney for one reason or another but I wouldn't agree with anyone saying that Cole would definitely have out scored him in similar circumstances. It would've been close enough though.

I'm not sure Alan Shearer is that great an example of it. He'd have scored goals anywhere. Darren Bent a few years ago would've been a good example.
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Yeah, thought that as soon as I posted it. Darren Bent definitely a better example.
 
still can't believe some people on here...seems like no mather what a player does or has done, the irrational hatred just blinds people to the point where they don't recognize talent.
yeah, I'm sure there's a much bigger chance Ferguson, Van Gaal, Moyes, Hodgson and the like (you know, people with actual knowledge and experience of the game) "keep getting fooled" into thinking Rooney's a world class player than him actualy being one and you, a fan of the game, not an expert by any means (regardless of whether you think you are, you're not, and neither am I) just don't (want to) see it.
I seriously doubt there's ever been a fanbase that puts down their own players as much as United fans do.
Sure, I don't wanna live in a RAWK fantasy world where every player is the next "Insert famous footballer's name", but sometimes it just becomes pathetic in all honesty. And I'm talking in general, not just Rooney.
You'd swear Fellaini never kicked a ball in his life before coming to United judging by some people's comments for example...
 
Mrs Smoker said:
I love Andy Cole, he was a class. Just recently saw all his goals, and those were some absolute beauties. No big difference, indeed, but I just disagreed (and still do) that he'd have more than Rooney.
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Same here. He was my favourite player growing up. As big a fan of him as I was and as much as I don't like Rooney I'd tend to agree with you. I think it would've been close though. Cole's the kind of player we need now. Pace to burn and could play a bit. A bit like a good Danny Welbeck.
 
markhrad said:
Him being captain of England is probably deserved but it will just ensure that they remain winless in the Euros an WC.
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What? Please explain which England player will ensure a victory in the Euros with the captaincy? Pity Rooney was made captain, it was in the bag before that!
 
markhrad said:
Your argument is not logical.
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No, your argument is not logical. Don't play the 'England won't win any trophies with Rooney in charge' as they haven't won anything for over 50 years anyway and it's highly unlikely that's going to change with the current mediocre squad. It's a meaningless prediction. It's like saying Rooney becoming captain has ensured that we won't sign Messi this window or some other stupidly unlikely scenario.
 
OGkush said:
still can't believe some people on here...seems like no mather what a player does or has done, the irrational hatred just blinds people to the point where they don't recognize talent.
yeah, I'm sure there's a much bigger chance Ferguson, Van Gaal, Moyes, Hodgson and the like (you know, people with actual knowledge and experience of the game) "keep getting fooled" into thinking Rooney's a world class player than him actualy being one and you, a fan of the game, not an expert by any means (regardless of whether you think you are, you're not, and neither am I) just don't (want to) see it.
I seriously doubt there's ever been a fanbase that puts down their own players as much as United fans do.
Sure, I don't wanna live in a RAWK fantasy world where every player is the next "Insert famous footballer's name", but sometimes it just becomes pathetic in all honesty. And I'm talking in general, not just Rooney.
You'd swear Fellaini never kicked a ball in his life before coming to United judging by some people's comments for example...
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Well said. Oh actually - Sorry. This is a 'meltdown'.
 
r0x0rwolfo said:
What? Please explain which England player will ensure a victory in the Euros with the captaincy? Pity Rooney was made captain, it was in the bag before that!
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My statement, that Rooney as captain will ensure that England remains winless does not equate with someone else being captain will ensure victory.
That is what I meant by illogical.
As I said before I understand why Rooney was made captain for both club and country, however, if being captain makes him undroppable and the centre of both teams' attack, then neither teams will win anything.
 
markhrad said:
My statement, that Rooney as captain will ensure that England remains winless does not equate with someone else being captain will ensure victory.
That is what I meant by illogical.
As I said before I understand why Rooney was made captain for both club and country, however, if being captain makes him undroppable and the centre of both teams' attack, then neither teams will win anything.
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This is absurd to be honest. He needs to be the focal point for England and should have been at the last WC.
 
Red Phoenix Rising said:
This is absurd to be honest. He needs to be the focal point for England and should have been at the last WC.
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I obviously don't agree. He was average at best at the last WC but when he scored a virtual tap in the hype began again.
If I am proven wrong, which I doubt, then it would mean UTD will win under his leadership. I think I could gladly live with that.
 
markhrad said:
My statement, that Rooney as captain will ensure that England remains winless does not equate with someone else being captain will ensure victory.
That is what I meant by illogical.
As I said before I understand why Rooney was made captain for both club and country, however, if being captain makes him undroppable and the centre of both teams' attack, then neither teams will win anything.
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Of course it's illogical and you don't mean that. Therefore... you aren't actually saying anything meaningful at all.

Wayne Rooney for Captain = No trophy
Random England player for captain = No trophy

There's absolutely no point to saying this and it says nothing about Rooney as a captain if England fails to win something. Of all the things wrong with England, who is given the armband is just about at the bottom of the list, just above the choice of hotdog sauce. You're not stupid, just trying to pre-apportion blame unreasonably on a insignificant action for not making an extremely unlikely scenario happen. Basically you're going to great lengths to take a unconvincing shot on Rooney.
 
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r0x0rwolfo said:
There's absolutely no point to saying this and it says nothing about Rooney as a captain if England fails to win something. Of all the things wrong with England, who is given the armband is just about at the bottom of the list, just above the choice of hotdog sauce. You're not stupid, just trying to pre-apportion blame unreasonably on a insignificant action for not making an extremely unlikely scenario happen. Basically you're going to great lengths to take a unconvincing shot on Rooney.
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I believe it's short odd sniping. Merely for the fact that when the card comes up he can say 'told you it would happen'.
 
r0x0rwolfo said:
Of course it's illogical and you don't mean that. Therefore... you aren't actually saying anything meaningful at all.

Wayne Rooney for Captain = No trophy
Random England player for captain = No trophy

There's absolutely no point to saying this and it says nothing about Rooney as a captain if England fails to win something. Of all the things wrong with England, who is given the armband is just about at the bottom of the list, just above the choice of hotdog sauce. You're not stupid, just trying to pre-apportion blame unreasonably on a insignificant action for not making an extremely unlikely scenario happen. Basically you're going to great lengths to take a unconvincing shot on Rooney.
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Forget the captaincy. I just don't want him to be undroppable or the main focus of our attack. Winning in the near future is what I am concerned about not some juvenile vendetta against Rooney.
 
markhrad said:
Forget the captaincy. I just don't want him to be undroppable or the main focus of our attack. Winning in the near future is what I am concerned about not some juvenile vendetta against Rooney.
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Now we're talking about weak management. Rooney isn't the the manager and doesn't pick himself. All he can do is say "I really want to play", which any player who cares should be doing. There is no trophy in the foreseeable future I am afraid, it's not Rooney holding the England team back believe me...
 
Another embarrassing performance, I expect them now though. He literally cannot get past a player, its painful to watch, any little skill or move he tries, he gets tackled, because he's so fecking slow.
 
He's been the most disappointing aspect of our season so far for me. Really thought he would step up after being given the armband. I don't think he deserves to be starting games ahead of Welbeck.
 
Absolutely garbage, the amount of times he slowed things down by keeping the ball infuriated me. He's a player with zero imagination, he is just stuck in endless loop of passing the ball wide to Valencia.
 
He's an overweight piece of shit. He was too slow to catch at least one of the balls Di Maria tried to play into him this afternoon......Di Maria's used to playing with athletes like Ronaldo and Bale, and now he's having to adjust to supplying balls to a past-his-best, flabby, drunk Scouser.
 
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