I guess people will see what they want to see in that case. I see 4231 in the first half (Carrick and Herrera are deeper with Mata, Young and Fellaini further forward) and quite an obvious 433 in the 2nd half.
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I guess people will see what they want to see in that case. I see 4231 in the first half (Carrick and Herrera are deeper with Mata, Young and Fellaini further forward) and quite an obvious 433 in the 2nd half.
Nah. You're just talking crap. Normal service for you in the Rooney thread.
Again, I think you need to grow up. Even Rooney admitting he should have given it to Mata, and you're still going on like a fool.
Total myth. He wasn't as bad as people are making out in here, anyway.
Oi bruv, why'd you tag me innit?
I don't think it is a myth at all. When he's bad he's truly bad. Everything just seems to go. Agree re the 2nd sentance though.
I didn't watch the game live so watched it with the thought already in my head that Rooney didn't have a good game but I don't think he was anywhere near the levels some were going on about.
Nope. He was the designated penalty taker. End of story. If Rooney scores then we don't even have this utterly pointless discussion.
Your posts on Rooney are normally shite at best and not even limited to Rooney threads unfortunately. You like to spread your crap all over.
Nope-wrong again. In fact, most of my posts about Rooney have been quite reasoned. You're probably one of many who thinks he's world class despite playing atrociously, which is why you get so butt hurt when someone has the audacity to criticise him.
But, I cba arguing about this anymore.
Let's sell Rooney because he never became as good as Ronaldo or Messi
One bad game and the knives are out. I can't remember the last United player subject to this kind of scrutiny.
3. Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle. That was when he was played in his best and preferred position. And not to forget all the games that he played in the middle.Let's sell Rooney because he never became as good as Ronaldo or Messi
One bad game and the knives are out. I can't remember the last United player subject to this kind of scrutiny.
That actually sums up quite well how I feel about Rooney. Especially the latter paragraph(s). Don't agree with the midfield analysis as this isn't his best position.
Strawman alert. I criticize him when he plays shite, like against Liverpool and praise him when he's good. You criticize him when he's poor and when he's good.
The fact that you think your posts are "reasonable" sums you up. Absolutely clueless.
So Rooney doesnt score and many goals when in midfield and has spent a lot of this season in midfield. And because he hasnt scored as many goals this season - because he's been played out of position in midfield - we should sell him. With an obligatory reference to the two transfer requests, of course.
What a fantastic read.
Out of all the strikers we have, he has performed the best this season. So why should he be sold really?
RVP and obviously Falcao should be out the door before Rooney.
Rooney needs to stay, thats not to say I think he is the top level elite no 9 we need, but he is the least of our worries in that department.
He will get us goals, and gives us energy and a threat up top, for now thats enough, but summer of 2016 he'll likely need to be replaced.
He scored against Arsenal and looked excellent in the first half before it all went tits up in the 2nd through no fault of his. Ok against Newcastle and played a vital part in our goal.
If all our players were subject to this kind of scrutiny we'd have to end up selling everyone for not being good enough. But let's single out Rooney eh.
Cool, man.
Strawman alert. I criticize him when he plays shite, like against Liverpool and praise him when he's good. You criticize him when he's poor and when he's good.
The fact that you think your posts are "reasonable" sums you up. Absolutely clueless.
You also missed the part where it's mentioned his numbers are decreasing, his influence in the team is on the wane, and that shifting him to the midfield had United producing some very poor performances.
Btw, that article is just randomly written, so don't shoot the messenger!
What a load of crap, another Useless article to start the day.
That Beeb article you linked also showed this graphic of Mata's touches on the ball. That is clear as day the positioning of a right sided (left footed) attacking player. The overwhelming majority of his touches are wide right & close to the by-line, with a smaller number in the inside right channel, representing when he cuts onto his left foot. He manages two touches close to the box (impressively scoring two goals) but you can see that those are the exception.
To go back the original point, Pogue was saying that Rooney could play in any of the attacking three positions in a 433. If we played like, say, Barcelona, with a proper attacking trident of strikers, who just use wide areas as a place to start their runs to goal, then maybe, since you would expect him to spend as much time close to the box as on the wing.
But by no stretch of the imagination did we play that kind of 4-3-3. Whether you call it 4-1-4-1, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 is not the point here, the point is that the wide players started really wide, and spent most of their time there. That really wouldn't suit Rooney, or at least hasn't done before.
Not at all, it certainly isnt your fault that you posted a link to an article that I think is almost entirely without merit. I dont even blame the journalist particularly. I just reserve the right to give my own assessment of it.
Sorry I bolded that line because I didnt think I did miss that bit out. But then I guess I did. I thought it was implied, but I guess you could argue it wasnt. He doesnt play particularly well in midfield, and that didnt affect only him, it affected the team as well.
Does nothing to increase my regard for the article though.
Agree with all of that.
The whole of the Arsenal game was scrappy to say the least. And he played a major part in it. Too many misplaced passes. If anything, he is turning 30 this year. And his overall value is only going to lessen in the coming seasons.
At max, he has been a decent-to-good player for us. His usual trait of going 8-10 games missing at a stretch was again shown up this season. At one point of time, he really talked just behind Ronaldo and Messi. Currently, I don't think he even features in the top 10 players list.
Let's sell Rooney because he never became as good as Ronaldo or Messi
One bad game and the knives are out. I can't remember the last United player subject to this kind of scrutiny.
It's the same every damn year. Just muppets being muppets.
It's the standard drivel you keep hearing from a segment of holier than thou fans who are determined to use their dislike of Rooney as a means to show how much more authentic they are than other fans, on the basis that they will never warm to someone who is a) scouse and b) once considered leaving. It's really fecking tedious.
Heh. For a player who is the highest paid footballer at the club and one of the highest in the world, his performances aren't even in touch with the top 10 players in the world. And that doesn't include him being a) scouse and b) twice* considered leaving.
How much is it now, 350k?
250k. That's what I think he is at. It's still the highest at the club.
Give them enough time and it will be 350m.
Lol, one bad game and the "wage boys" are up and running again, let it go boys, let it go.....
The one thing about Rooney's position at the club I do feel a bit uneasy about still is his role as captain and more specifically the fact that this makes him undroppable.
I am not saying I think he should be dropped at the moment, because he may or may not have been a bit forgettable against Liverpool. I think he has been as instrumental as anyone for our revival. But I do think we need to stop thinking of him as this player who can play anywhere, who can go back into midfield, on the wing, up, down, left or right and still perform at the required level. He is a lot more versatile than most but he still has a best position and he isnt as good as other people in the squad in other positions.
But if he has to play every game that leaves us in a tricky position when it comes to our striking options. It means if we want to freshen things up in attack we need to either drop Rooney back into midfield in some capacity, which is probably the best of the bad options, or play two up front, which is a complete no-no for me.
I think Rooney as things stand deserves to play on merit but next season Id like to see more competition for his place. But given he has the armband I find it hard to see it being taken away, so Im not sure how that is going to go. I expect we will see him remain as captain and play either up front or as the attacking midfielder but I think that is limiting and as good a job as Rooney has done as captain - and I have no complaints about that at all - I wish we'd gone another route for that reason alone.
Last summer I advocated De Gea for 3 reasons: 1) It may help lock him in with us long term. 2) I think keepers and defenders are well placed to be captains because they get a good view of the game. 3) He is one player who absolutely should be playing every game. I would still give it to him to be honest, as long as he is staying. But as I said I think now Rooney has the armband we are kind of stuck with it. That does worry me a bit.
I am not saying I think he should be dropped at the moment, because he may or may not have been a bit forgettable against Liverpool. I think he has been as instrumental as anyone for our revival. But I do think we need to stop thinking of him as this player who can play anywhere, who can go back into midfield, on the wing, up, down, left or right and still perform at the required level. He is a lot more versatile than most but he still has a best position and he isnt as good as other people in the squad in other positions.
But if he has to play every game that leaves us in a tricky position when it comes to our striking options. It means if we want to freshen things up in attack we need to either drop Rooney back into midfield in some capacity, which is probably the best of the bad options, or play two up front, which is a complete no-no for me.
I think Rooney as things stand deserves to play on merit but next season Id like to see more competition for his place. But given he has the armband I find it hard to see it being taken away, so Im not sure how that is going to go. I expect we will see him remain as captain and play either up front or as the attacking midfielder but I think that is limiting and as good a job as Rooney has done as captain - and I have no complaints about that at all - I wish we'd gone another route for that reason alone.
Last summer I advocated De Gea for 3 reasons: 1) It may help lock him in with us long term. 2) I think keepers and defenders are well placed to be captains because they get a good view of the game. 3) He is one player who absolutely should be playing every game. I would still give it to him to be honest, as long as he is staying. But as I said I think now Rooney has the armband we are kind of stuck with it. That does worry me a bit.
You make good points, but giving DDG the armband might be detrimental to the team when he leaves, Rooney is best suited for that role, if he has lasted this long with the armband without the Caf calling for his head or for his demotion, then i think its fair to say he has done a good job, trust me as a Rooney defender™ this forum is never an easy place for Wazza, you find yourself having to defend him ALOT, i once said if Rooney was having the season Di Maria is currently having, we probably would have already had 100,000 signatures to legalise Lynching to lynch our captain.
Ah...yes, the 350k wage bill never gets old, people don't seem to remember that the club isn't just paying Rooney the player but Rooney the brand coupled with Merchandise,his face,endorsements,appearances and all that corporate crap, its easier to bash Rooney than to praise him.
Imagine if Giggs was chasing Bobby and Shearer for the goalscoring records, there would be a designated forum for him and someone would actually devote himself to updating the countdown, but its Rooney so its not our problem.
True. If DDG is leaving then it is a bad choice. I hope he doesnt leave.
And I agree, he has done a good job as captain. I just dont think its healthy for a player to be told he is undroppable, especially a striker. Although Rooney does seem to have found it helpful from a motivational perspective.
And I agree, he has done a good job as captain. I just dont think its healthy for a player to be told he is undroppable, especially a striker. Although Rooney does seem to have found it helpful from a motivational perspective.
1) Haha, you really need to read up and see again what is posted.
2) Giggs didn't hand in 2 transfer requests because he wasn't being showered with attention at the point.
Yes, Rooney sent in 2 transfer requests, i would too if i was a striker constantly being played out of position - even Fergie admitted to it - the most important thing is he stayed, we don't know what goes on behind the scenes, a lot of players hand in transfer requests and if Giggs didn't do it then he is probably the odd one out with Scholes (probably).
Why are we still crying about his transfer requests 2 seasons later though? Anti-Rooney clan i presume?
I don't think he sent in a single transfer request. And maybe he just had a bad day the second time.
But it's weird how fans demand loyalty, yet so often show none. Just look at Fellaini, Valencia, Nani, Young, Cleverley, Evans, Büttner, Anderson, and so on and on.
But it's weird how fans demand loyalty, yet so often show none. Just look at Fellaini, Valencia, Nani, Young, Cleverley, Evans, Büttner, Anderson, and so on and on.
Oh call me whatever you want to. Go create a group with Poster of the year 2008 calling yourself Rooney's Army.
Rooney was played as the main striker and he scored 26 goals. Next season, he handed in the transfer request and that's when SAF realized we need to have equal replacements in the team if anything happens. And that's when he bought Kagawa and RvP, when again he threw a hissy fit because he wasn't the supposed focal point in the team.
And you know that how?
Even the first time wasn't about him being a focal point in the team.
Yes, 2 seasons ago, lets dwell on that shall we ?
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