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One thing I will say in Rooneys defence is - who else could we have played who would have done better?

I don't think RVP or Falcao would have done anything at all today. Rooney has formed an effective partnership of sorts with a Fellaini, and his energy and pressing helped us control the game. He may have missed the penalty and it certainly wasn't his best performance, but in my opinion Rooney contributed decently to the overall performance and result.
 
Ballache said:
We never do tha, I remember Ruud wanting to give a penalty to Forlan who hadn't scored in a while and Fergie didn't allow it. Same happened once when Tevez was on a hattrick and Ronaldo still took.the penalty as he's our designated penalty taker. I don't blame Rooney for this, there's no room for sentiment in football, he missed shit happens.
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I agree.

I mean, I don't think Rooney should take our penalties since I don't really trust him with them - but when he is the designated taker then he obviously have to take them. No gifts.
 
Ballache said:
Wasn't great today (typical Anfield performance) but I have to say the penalty was an excellent save from Mignolet.
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It was the exact height that keepers love. If lower he probably scores. Rooney was good today because his hold up play with Fellaini was good.
 
gerdm07 said:
It was the exact height that keepers love. If lower he probably scores. Rooney was good today because his hold up play with Fellaini was good.
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Will have to look at it again, I thought it was a great save but seems like I need another look.
 
Absolutely atrocious today. If that had been a RVP performance, people would be fuming and saying he is way past it. He looked slow, cumbersome, couldn't control a ball at all and his passing was completely shit. His penalty was the icing on the awful cake he had made himself. Good against Tottenham, shit today.
 
I wouldn't blame him for not giving penalty Mata to take it, I am not sure van Gaal would allow it.

However, I blame him for the penalty itself, it was typical Rooney penalty of three or four seasons ago when he missed them regulary because he made it too easy for keepers with the height. They only needed to guess the side and they would usually save it, same as today.
 
His performance sure backed up that article about his short comings at Anfield. Its just one off those things I guess because he's been good since leading the line again.
 
Amar__ said:
I wouldn't blame him for not giving penalty Mata to take it, I am not sure van Gaal would allow it.

However, I blame him for the penalty itself, it was typical Rooney penalty of three or four seasons ago when he missed them regulary because he made it too easy for keepers with the height. They only needed to guess the side and they would usually save it, same as today.
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he really misjudged it. Probably the hype before the game, but you can see that it's so obvious the goalkeeper is going to go to his right. You can see how pissed Rooney is. He wasn't great today, but bloody hell does he try and work like most other players don't. He never gives in.
 
Walrus said:
One thing I will say in Rooneys defence is - who else could we have played who would have done better?
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RVP probably, I didn't think Rooney was that poor, but it's obvious he should play with someone in front of him. The penalty was well saved, but it was way too obvious he was aiming for the left corner.
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
RVP probably, I didn't think Rooney was that poor, but it's obvious he should play with someone in front of him. The penalty was well saved, but it was way too obvious he was aiming for the left corner.
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The penalty was the worst thing he did all game I felt.

Don't think RVP would have been any use though (and I still rate him) - we needed some energy and pressing up front today, and again it would be unwise to break up the Fellaini/Rooney partnership in my opinion.
 
Knocked his score down to a 6 after the penalty save, too easy for Mignolet that. His penalty record is poor, maybe Falcao should've taken it.
 
SirAF said:
I agree.

I mean, I don't think Rooney should take our penalties since I don't really trust him with them - but when he is the designated taker then he obviously have to take them. No gifts.
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The thing is, he's actually been quite consistent from the spot in the last few years (I may be wrong of course, so please feel free to disprove that.) I wanted Mata to take it because I love the Spanish teddy bear, but Rooney is the designated taker, and was also badly in need of a goal at Anfield. I thought he was pretty bad today, but I don't really hold the penalty against him.
 
such a shame he missed the pen, as it'd have been the perfect way to end that drought.

Not to mention let the rest of us get our heart rates down after almost giving them a chance in a game they were never in!
 
jem said:
The thing is, he's actually been quite consistent from the spot in the last few years (I may be wrong of course, so please feel free to disprove that.) I wanted Mata to take it because I love the Spanish teddy bear, but Rooney is the designated taker, and was also badly in need of a goal at Anfield. I thought he was pretty bad today, but I don't really hold the penalty against him.
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He definitely has, but I always feel that he has a miss in him. However, today the miss meant nothing.
 
I was surprised Mata didn't take the pen.

Not really Rooney's day, but Mata and Herrera made up for that.
 
coolredwine said:
Very, very poor today. Only plays because we have an injured striker and another one who is woefully out of form.
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You're suggesting he wouldn't play if RVP were healthy and/or Falcao were in better form? Today apart, Rooney has been excellent when played in his proper position.
 
He was correct to take the penalty, he is our penalty taker and it wasn't as though we were winning 5-0. But he shouldn't be our penalty taker. I think I read somewhere his conversion rate is less than 70%, which is appalling. I don't know who else could take them though.

As for today, he was crap, but still worked hard. Encouraging we can play that well at Anfield with such an important player having a stinker.
 
SirAF said:
He definitely has, but I always feel that he has a miss in him. However, today the miss meant nothing.
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True, but it's been a while since we had a penalty who I didn't feel that way about (perhaps Ruud, but even he went through a cold spell, at the beginning of the 2003-4 season, I believe.)
 
jem said:
True, but it's been a while since we had a penalty who I didn't feel that way about (perhaps Ruud, but even he went through a cold spell, at the beginning of the 2003-4 season, I believe.)
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I was always confident about Ronaldo. He missed two high profile penalties, but he also scored a bunch of high pressure ones. Other than him it probably goes back to Cantona?
 
Walrus said:
The penalty was the worst thing he did all game I felt.

Don't think RVP would have been any use though (and I still rate him) - we needed some energy and pressing up front today, and again it would be unwise to break up the Fellaini/Rooney partnership in my opinion.
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RvP has been slaughtered for performances better than Rooney's today. The difference is of course the victory, and the way the whole team plays. But the way the team finally manages to play in the weeks RvP is injured, would suit him certainly more than Fellaini, and it could well do with more technical players in general, because a lot of them don't really have the technique to play one touch. They try and they manage to get the ball quite near where it should be, but it's not solid. But maybe it's not wise to change it immediately, the ambition should be to get more technical players in and relie less on Fellaini's headers. Also steady partnerships aren't that important under Van Gaal as under most managers.

Acole9 said:
His penalty record is poor, maybe Falcao should've taken it.
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What's his conversion rate? These days often strikers and creative players take the penalties, because of their goal scoring stats, but often miss half of them. I always prefer those midfielders or defenders of the hard working nothing special type who normally don't score but just know how to convert a penalty. The ref has blown his whistle, and we can already count the goal.
 
Wasn't great today. Never is against Liverpool, to be fair. Lost the ball sloppily in the first half and failed to hold it up. Felt he improved in the second half, though.
 
Unfortunately it would appear that if RVP is not playing then Rooney will continue to take the penalties. Because he's captain I suppose it does give him that opportunity to pull rank.
 
Dr. Funkenstein said:
RvP has been slaughtered for performances better than Rooney's today. The difference is of course the victory, and the way the whole team plays. But the way the team finally manages to play in the weeks RvP is injured, would suit him certainly more than Fellaini, and it could well do with more technical players in general, because a lot of them don't really have the technique to play one touch. They try and they manage to get the ball quite near where it should be, but it's not solid. But maybe it's not wise to change it immediately, the ambition should be to get more technical players in and relie less on Fellaini's headers. Also steady partnerships aren't that important under Van Gaal as under most managers.
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The difference (between Rooney today and RVP) is the overall contribution to the game. Rooney works harder, defends more, presses more etc than RVP. RVP is very much one of those where if he doesn't score or assist, he likely does nothing. Rooney can still have a good game without getting on the scoresheet (not saying today was a GOOD game from him mind you).
Your comments about Fellaini are bizarre at beat given he has been one of our best players in the last two games. He is arguably the biggest beneficiary of our current formation and style of play. Based on your post it sounds like you are one of those in the "If Fellaini is on the pitch then it must be hoofball" camp. My thoughts on that are well documented in the Fellaini thread.

Your argument then basically is that Rooney behind RVP would have been more effective for us today than Fellaini playing off Rooney. I disagree entirely, as Rooney has shown in recent weeks that he offers a lot more as a #9 than RVP/Falcao, and Fellaini has been one of our best players recently.
 
gerdm07 said:
It was the exact height that keepers love. If lower he probably scores. Rooney was good today because his hold up play with Fellaini was good.
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Agreed. Mignolet has got across well, but it's at perfect height for saving. If you ask a goalkeeper where they'd want a penalty to be put, they'd probably say exactly where Rooney put it. Normally Rooney goes low and hard and puts it right into the side netting, but it was a really poor take.

Low and hard, or towards the top corner. Never in between.


Think he did okay today. His hold up play against Skrtel was decent, but his lay offs were sloppy in the first half. That improved a lot in the 2nd half but I think he struggled not having someone playing close to him when holding it up, as Fellaini was in the channel and Mata was out wide. His runs in behind were poorly timed and he needlessly strayed offside a few times. He could have papered over that if he scored that penalty. Shame. Overall I think 2-1 flattered Liverpool.
 
SirAF said:
I was always confident about Ronaldo. He missed two high profile penalties, but he also scored a bunch of high pressure ones. Other than him it probably goes back to Cantona?
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I don't know, I always felt a bit nervous with Ronaldo from the spot; I'd say I have about the same confidence in Rooney that I did in Ronaldo. Neither of them a patch on the likes of Gerrard, Lampard or Balotelli when it comes to the inevitability of scoring from the spot.
 
Boots on the wrong feet today, the kit man must ensure that Rooney knows which is his right boot and which is his left. Maybe the manufacturers could help him with some nice logos.
 
jem said:
You're suggesting he wouldn't play if RVP were healthy and/or Falcao were in better form? Today apart, Rooney has been excellent when played in his proper position.
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As a striker, sorry.

He had a good game against Spuds, but was pretty average against Arsenal and Newcastle before as well.
 
The penalty itself was fine, the problem is Rooney's walk. If you angle your walk so much you got no chance to shoot in the other corner unless you completely bend your body. Its incredibly easy for a goalkeeper to chose a corner if you take it like this.
 
coolredwine said:
As a striker, sorry.

He had a good game against Spuds, but was pretty average against Arsenal and Newcastle before as well.
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Shh, don't say that around here, they'll say you have an agenda. Today's performance was the exact thing RVP was getting slaughtered for, and at worst he can usually hold the ball up against a centre back. Rooney struggled with the basics today. Spurs was easily his best performance of 2015, but you would think he was showing world class performances week in week out the way some speak. We might be playing better but I don't think it's mainly down to the striker being Rooney, considering we won in spite of him today.
 
Don't see him scoring at Anfield again tbh, he's lost when he plays there. Good thing the penalty miss didn't bite us in the arse though.
 
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