Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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He's amongst the very rare breed of players who have the genius to win a match on his own and also sacrifice himself for the team. People wank over the likes of Aguero on this forum but statstically he's far behind Rooney(goals plus assists) even though he's the main striker at City while Rooney has been played as a winger, central midfielder, attacking midfielder and a striker this season.

Frankly, the notion that Rooney is liked because he runs around a lot is fecking bullshit considering he regularly outscores the supposedly world class strikers regularly.

I'd be astonished if Barcelona isn't interested in him(if we ever want to sell him) considering he'd be almost perfect for their side.
 
Chabon said:
Oh, I see, we're going to glue Hernandez and Kagawa together and play them as one player. An ingenious solution.
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Yes because thats exactly what I said you dribbling halfwit. No one said give me everything Rooney does in one player, you said he is irriplacable, I maintain with the right squad and line up we can replace everything he does for the team. Or DO YOU WANT THE BIG LETTER JANET AND JOHN VERSION
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
thats the thing.....I agree with you, I ve not said sell him. I do think that time will come sooner rather than later though, I personally dont see him playing too far into his 30s at the very top level.
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Fair play, that wasnt aimed at you specifically, just giving my tuppence worth on the overall question at hand. You may be right about the future, but I will reserve judgement on that until then. Certainly dont think he should be played for the sake of breaking records out of sentimentality. When he is not the best option for the team anymore, drop him. If he isnt worth a squad place, sell him to Tranmere, whatever. But for now he is one of our best players, selling him makes no sense.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Then you can't lose can you. You're just going to stick to your guns whatever happens. If you can't see what Rooney does for the team then I really can't help you. All our oddest and most bizarre defeats and dropped points (Blackburn at home for example) have all come when Rooney has been out and we have lacked that spark of electricity.

But no, he's crap. Because you don't like facts that don't support your opinion.

Rooney is a game-changer. End of.
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I didn't say he was crap, but do carry on with your hissy fit.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Yes because thats exactly what I said you dribbling halfwit. No one said give me everything Rooney does in one player, you said he is irriplacable, I maintain with the right squad and line up we can replace everything he does for the team. Or DO YOU WANT THE BIG LETTER JANET AND JOHN VERSION
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I asked you to name a single player who could replace Rooney, and you named multiple players who can replace individual aspects of what Rooney brings. You either perfectly proved the point that Rooney is irreplaceable by a single player therefore accidentally refuting your own argument, or you think the FA is going to let us play 12 players after we sell him.

Either way, I'm not sure you should be calling other people halfwits.
 
Brwned said:
Sort of sums up your entire argument though doesn't it? "I don't care if he's actually been in great form for us for the last 10 games because that one game against Swansea is all I can remember", "I don't care what the numbers say about Rooney as a goalscorer even though being a great goalscorer is all about the numbers"...it could all be summed up as "I don't like Rooney, I like complaining about him and that's all I have to say".
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I just asked a simple question, then you came sweeping in with the statistics as the be all and end all, I'm not interested.
 
Chabon said:
I asked you to name a single player who could replace Rooney, and you named multiple players who can replace individual aspects of what Rooney brings. You either perfectly proved the point that Rooney is irreplaceable by a single player therefore accidentally refuting your own argument, or you think the FA is going to let us play 12 players after we sell him.

Either way, I'm not sure you should be calling other people halfwits.
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:lol::lol::lol::lol: I apologise, I didnt see that and therefore am wearing the halfwit of the day hat :)

Single player that could replace Rooney, Ronaldo, Kagawa, Modric, Messi, RVP
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
I think Tevez was and is a very good player, I think the adoration he got whilst here was completely over the top because of his high workrate which seems to mean more to british football fans in general than an end result sometimes. Teve contribution to us is a lot like Rooneys, underrated by some and ridiculously overrated by others.
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Really? Rooney's contribution to United over the last 8 years has been far far bigger than Tevez's. And if high work rate means more to just british football fans then how is it that Rooney is so highly regarded by media in other countries?
 
Zen86 said:
I just asked a simple question, then you came sweeping in with the statistics as the be all and end all, I'm not interested.
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Surely the answer to "what would we miss?" is quite simply a world class goalscorer? There's only a handful of more prolific players than him and he brings much more to the team than many of them.
 
Ronaldo in his three amazing seasons with United.
155 games, 91 goals and 36 assists.

Rooney in the 3 seasons after Ronaldo left when he became the main man.
128 games, 84 goals and 25 assists.

Yes but apparently he'll be easy to replace and people like him because he runs around a lot :rolleyes:
 
wr8_utd said:
Really? Rooney's contribution to United over the last 8 years has been far far bigger than Tevez's. And if high work rate means more to just british football fans then how is it that Rooney is so highly regarded by media in other countries?
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Of course it is. I wouldnt argue that.
 
KM said:
Ronaldo in his three amazing seasons with United.
155 games, 91 goals and 36 assists.

Rooney in the 3 seasons after Ronaldo left when he became the main man.
128 games, 84 goals and 25 assists.

Yes but apparently he'll be easy to replace and people like him because he runs around a lot :rolleyes:
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Yes that's all our Number 10 does. He runs around a lot. That's all it takes to get this close to being the number 1 goalscorer of all time of a club as big as this. The ability to run around and work hard.
 
Brwned said:
Surely the answer to "what would we miss?" is quite simply a world class goalscorer? There's only a handful of more prolific players than him and he brings much more to the team than many of them.
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For the record I'm not advocating selling him, I'm just interested in why he's so desperately crucial to us. I do think that his goalscoring is overplayed though, and that he profits a lot from the amount of chances he gets more than anything (due to our play).
 
Not really though. He's been played very deep this year, doesn't have the chances falling his way the way RvP does and he's still managed to score 13 goals and get 10 assists in 24 games.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
:lol::lol::lol::lol: I apologise, I didnt see that and therefore am wearing the halfwit of the day hat :)

Single player that could replace Rooney, Ronaldo, Kagawa, Modric, Messi, RVP
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Modric and Kagawa, really? Both their clubs play their biggest game of the season next week, and neither is likely to start. RVP is a world class striker, but he's not nearly as effective deeper. And the other two, well, I feel they may be slightly out of reach.

Seriously now, who, in world football, can be a better number ten than Rooney and has shown it over a substantial period? We could play other systems, sure, but what's the point in that when this club has literally never been as successful as we have these last few years?

I don't like him as a person either, but then I never cared for Keano much. It didn't stop me from recognising him as one of this club's all-time greats and an absolutely indispensable player.
 
There is not a single player we can realistically hope to sign who brings as much as Rooney does to our team. Kagawa and Modric are laughable suggestions
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
For what its worth I dont advocate selling him despite my dislike for the spud faced biddy fidler. What I take issue with is all this "hes irreplacable" bollocks when he quite obviously isnt.
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Ah ok took that part of it up wrong. He's obviously not irreplacable, I like to think no one is.

Its fair enough if you dislike him on a personal level but its the atittude of some that let that side of it totally cloud their judgement on him overall. A 6/10 perfomance gets slated more so than other players. Compare that to a relatively poor RVP performance for us and then reaction to it...
 
So hang on a sec, no one actually advocates selling him. This is a debate with some people on one side, and others questioning those people without actually being on the other side? Or is there someone out there arguing we should get rid?
 
wr8_utd said:
Not really though. He's been played very deep this year, doesn't have the chances falling his way the way RvP does and he's still managed to score 13 goals and get 10 assists in 24 games.
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True, but he still plays as a forward though in, arguably, his preferred position.
 
Adebesi said:
So hang on a sec, no one actually advocates selling him. This is a debate with some people on one side, and others questioning those people without actually being on the other side? Or is there someone out there arguing we should get rid?
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I don't think anyone thinks we should get rid, but there are those of us questioning how important he is.
 
Kid Cunto said:
Why don't people rate Rooney?
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* The contract fuss.
* He looks unfit even when he is fit.
* His periods of poor form.
* Sometimes, he doesn't look arsed.
* The suspicion that his heart belongs to Everton.
* The regular post-season pix of him smoking 500 Bensons a day & eating giant pizzas while lounging by the pool in LA.
* His screw-on 'hair'.
 
It's a cop-out, but I always feel that SAF is the best judge concerning whether Wayne has a future with us or not...so I try not to have any strong opinions either way about Rooney.
 
Adebesi said:
I reckon we should keep our best players, and try and improve the side by adding new good ones where possible. But then I never claimed to be any kind of master tactician in these matters.
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I fully agree with this, but if some crazy offer came in I still wouldn't be that bothered if he left. He's certainly not irreplaceable like many would have you believe. Maybe you can't find one player with all the qualities Rooney has but then we don't really need to, I don't know why people keep going on about that.

Do people really think if we lost Rooney and got in a proper center mid and a proper outside mid or striker that we would be that much worse off?

Obviously it would be foolish to sell without knowing we could get certain players but then in the hypothetical you'd have to imagine if he left Sir Alex would certainly have a plan.
 
SteveJ said:
* The contract fuss.
* He looks unfit even when he is fit.
* His periods of poor form.
* Sometimes, he doesn't look arsed.
* The suspicion that his heart belongs to Everton.
* The regular post-season pix of him smoking 500 Bensons a day & eating giant pizzas while lounging by the pool in LA.
* His screw-on 'hair'.
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The Everton one and the idea he sometimes doesn't look arsed are mental.
 
He looks arsed more often than most of our other players, he's fecking everywhere! People have criticised him for not being better at rationing his energy levels. And what, he supported another team as a kid, what has that got to do with anything?

That list is not a reason to dislike Rooney. There must be another reason for someone to hate him.
 
You've never seen Rooney not look arsed? That's one of the things that frustrates me the most about him. He'll come in after an injury in poor form in some relatively meaningless game and just not look all that bothered about being in the game when he's clearly only there to get back in to form.
 
I'm not saying he does it a lot but when he does do it he's usually already in poor form playing in games just to regain form and that's extremely frustrating to me.
 
Rooney doesn't look arsed? Who's that guy wearing a number 10 jersey for us, running around like a maniac in the 93rd minute of games and making crucial blocks/tackles/interceptions? Not being arsed is one thing you can't ever accuse Rooney of. Quite often he looks like the only one who gives a damn.
 
gza the genius said:
I'm not saying he does it a lot but when he does do it he's usually already in poor form playing in games just to regain form and that's extremely frustrating to me.
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When he's returning from injuries and regaining form, he might not be at his sharpest with his touch but he still tries a lot to make up for the lack of form.
 
gza the genius said:
You've never seen Rooney not look arsed? That's one of the things that frustrates me the most about him. He'll come in after an injury in poor form in some relatively meaningless game and just not look all that bothered about being in the game when he's clearly only there to get back in to form.
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First game of the season vs Everton he was exceptionally poor but can't really remember anything like that recently apart from then.
 
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