You wouldn't even sell him for 100m? That's pretty crazy to me. Unless you're assuming it'll be used to pay off debt.
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You wouldn't even sell him for 100m? That's pretty crazy to me. Unless you're assuming it'll be used to pay off debt.
i'd sell rooney if it would help finance ronnie's return.
Is it really crazy though? We are not a midtable club that inevitably ends up selling players out of necessity. We don't have to sell Rooney so unless he wants to go why should we accept any offer for him?
IF the money was pumped directly back in to the first team we could buy 3-4 players and make the team stronger than it currently is with Rooney.
Of course this is all irrelevant if we have money to keep Rooney and still are able to fund whatever additions to the squad Sir Alex wants.
I don't really want to sound like some FM fanboy or whatever which is what I know I'll get accused of but with 100m I think we could definitely improve the quality of our first team and squad as a whole even if it meant losing Rooney.
I definitely wouldn't take even 100m for him.
Spend it the same way we spent the 80m in 2009 after selling Ronaldo? I'd rather keep Rooney
Which is why in my first response to you I said "unless you're assuming it'll be used to pay off debt"
Obviously selling Rooney would be extremely stupid if the money wasn't directly invested in to the first team.
I think we all know we wouldn't really reinvest the money. And 50m really won't get us anyone who can come close to replacing Rooney and giving us what he does. The likes of Cavani, Falcao etc would all cost us 50m too and aren't any better at what they do than Rooney and at similar ages. I'd definitely keep Rooney no matter what money we were offered. We wouldn't really be sending out a statement of intent by selling one of the best players in the world.
I do agree with your first point that if we got 100m it wouldn't all get invested in to buying players so I guess I agree with your overall point.
But, in a hypothetical situation where we could invest all of the money in players we could afford to buy any of those strikers, basically any center mid we wanted, and still have money left over.
I agree with the bolded part.
Rooney is and has been at the level where Gareth Bale has just entered this season. I would not swap him for any player in our league only Ronaldo, Messi and possibly Ineista are clearly better abroad. Why would we sell Rooney? Who would we buy that would fill the gaping hole Rooney would leave? The problem we have in Europe is finding Rooney a position to maximize his talent so far we have failed. Not exactly his fault.
We don't need a like for like replacement, when have we ever done that? We replaced Ronaldo with Valencia and that's worked out pretty well for us.
I'd sell him for 60-70 million pounds. Could get Bale and another striker with that and the wages saved.
With Hernandez, Welbeck, Kagawa in the squad and at least 2 more quality years from RVP we need not replace Rooney like for like.
Since his contract dispute, Whilst I like having him, I'm not fussed him we sold him for a price the club thought would allow for progress of the squad.
With Hernandez, Welbeck, Kagawa in the squad and at least 2 more quality years from RVP we need not replace Rooney like for like.
Since his contract dispute, Whilst I like having him, I'm not fussed him we sold him for a price the club thought would allow for progress of the squad.
I'm not sure how this is a problem. Rooney's been excellent in Europe for many seasons now*, especially in knockout games, and it's probably not a coincidence that he missed the two home games which doomed us in last year's disastrous CL campaign. The fact that at times we use him in a more defensive role in Europe isn't any kind of problem, it's just tactics.
It sometimes prevents him from securing more personal glory but what of it? This club is about winning trophies, not ballon d'ors.
*8 goals and 4 assists in the eleven knockout matches he's played since Ronaldo left. More impressive still, 6 of those goals were away from Old Trafford. If you add in his recent record at Stamford Bridge and Eastlands you have to say he has become one of the best big game players around.
I think most of us would agree their neither Barca nor Real would entertain those trades
More realistically...
How many would do a straight swap
Rooney for:
Suarez? (ok, Bad example)
Aguero?
Ibra?
Bale (I think the real question is would Spurs make that swap!)?
Falcao (see Bale)
No to all. I'd rather have Rooney.
He's the most talented player in the league. Be mad to sell.
I'd swap him for Wilshere...
He's played in every position he can play. If he's not fulfilling his potential in Europe then it is his fault. Rooney's big problem is and always has been consistency in his game and the fact he is so slow in recovering his form after injury. Don't see how that's anybody else's fault.
only because even rooney on his own couldn't help this arsenal side to win the title.
if wilshere was on a team that challenged for trophies, i wouldn't do that.
I think most of us would agree their neither Barca nor Real would entertain those trades
More realistically...
How many would do a straight swap
Rooney for:
Suarez? NO!
Aguero? YES, age gap is too big to ignore, aguero is fitter more consistent in terms of touch and skills and IMO could become as good as rooney if he was at a club like ours.
Ibra? NO. age works against ibra as does lack of PL knowledge
Bale (I think the real question is would Spurs make that swap!)? Maybe, 4 years younger is a huge gap but we'd be taking a serious step back in europe IMO. Would not affect us as much in the league
Falcao (see Bale)....NO
Fabregas....YES. He would be the best midfielder in our league and with carrick and clevz, give us the best midfield in the country instantly. age plus league proven ability makes this trade worthy IMO
Cavani....NO
Wilshere.....Maybe, but it has more to do with arsenal not competing with us so losing rooney to arsenal would not affect us in the league and wilshere is so much younger.
More realistically...
How many would do a straight swap
Rooney for:
Suarez? NO!
Aguero? YES, age gap is too big to ignore, aguero is fitter more consistent in terms of touch and skills and IMO could become as good as rooney if he was at a club like ours.
Ibra? NO. age works against ibra as does lack of PL knowledge
Bale (I think the real question is would Spurs make that swap!)? Maybe, 4 years younger is a huge gap but we'd be taking a serious step back in europe IMO. Would not affect us as much in the league
Falcao (see Bale)....NO
Fabregas....YES. He would be the best midfielder in our league and with carrick and clevz, give us the best midfield in the country instantly. age plus league proven ability makes this trade worthy IMO
Cavani....NO
Wilshere.....Maybe, but it has more to do with arsenal not competing with us so losing rooney to arsenal would not affect us in the league and wilshere is so much younger.
I feel the same way.
Swap him for Ronaldo and I'd take it!
Is Suarez better than Rooney?
Arguing with a stupid peterstorey-like Arsenal fan.
Arguing with a stupid peterstorey-like Arsenal fan.
Talks of selling him are beyond idiotic. Sell one of the best players in the world for a decent sum, in the hope that we will strengthen other places? Yeah, just like we strengthened everywhere when we sold Ronaldo for 80 million. Not to mention that he would only strengthen any other team in the world and instantly make us much much weaker, with nobody of similar quality who we could ever hope of buying or even think about buying. The only player who we could possibly buy at a similar price to replace him in the world is Falcao, and even then they are much different players and we would have to put RVP in Rooney's current position.
Also, are people actually suggesting swaps for Gareth fecking Bale, or Jack Wilshere? Are you mad? Wilshere, as good and as promising as he looks, is still right at the start of his career pretty much and has already had many long term injuries. Who's to say that won't severely hamper him in the future? And Bale? Because a player is in really good form people would now want him over Wayne Rooney, who looks certain to become our leading all time goalscorer? fecking transfer muppets these days.
If Rooney or the club ever decide it's time to part ways (unlikely), I would definitely not expect the money to be put back into the squad any differently than we do every summer.
Also, are people actually suggesting swaps for Gareth fecking Bale, or Jack Wilshere? Are you mad? Wilshere, as good and as promising as he looks, is still right at the start of his career pretty much and has already had many long term injuries. Who's to say that won't severely hamper him in the future? And Bale? Because a player is in really good form people would now want him over Wayne Rooney, who looks certain to become our leading all time goalscorer? fecking transfer muppets these days.
If Rooney or the club ever decide it's time to part ways (unlikely), I would definitely not expect the money to be put back into the squad any differently than we do every summer.
I'm not that pushed if we sell him or not. He's not indispensable. He's not becoming the absolute cream of the crop of world footballers like I hoped he would, and that's probably gonna evoke some reaction out of you lot but its true. Take your red tinted glasses off for a minute and face the facts, he's very good but he's not truly world class. Plus I'm still a bit bitter over the time he tried to fecking leave.
It's really not that far fetched to be honest.
Rooney is underrated by United fans
Players like Rafael and Anderson are overrated instead
Players like Rafael and Anderson are overrated instead
Suarez has been better this season, but if you take the last couple of years into consideration, most people would agree that Rooney has been and is the better and more influential player.
I probably would take Aguero over Rooney because of age and the fact that I think Aguero might just be/become better. Rooney is good, but RVP is better and has probably replaced Rooney as our best and most important striker. Therefore, selling Rooney would leave us better than before RVP signed.
I would hate to see Rooney leave United
I doubt he would leave United. He'll be desperate to become our all time top scorer.
For me its not about money. I want Rooney to finish his career at United, become club captain at some point and continue to perform at a high level for years to come.
I think all of the above will happen, and for what its worth IMO Rooney is under-rated by an awful lot of fans on here. He is still the player the makes our team tick and we are on a higher level, as a team, when Rooney is on form.
I think all of the above will happen, and for what its worth IMO Rooney is under-rated by an awful lot of fans on here. He is still the player the makes our team tick and we are on a higher level, as a team, when Rooney is on form.
Some of you lot are either mental or stupid.
Why would we sell him? So we can buy two not as good, or two less experienced players who might one day be good? What for - we still only get to put 11 players on the pitch.
If he was for sale, just about every top team in Europe would be interested. So why would be interested in selling.
If he was for sale, just about every top team in Europe would be interested. So why would be interested in selling.
Why does this always come up? After all he's done for us down the years. Rooney will be here for many years yet, probably the rest of his career. He's one of the best players in the world and a huge commercial marketing tool, why the feck would the club sell him?
But he had the cheek to ask for a payrise, don't you remember.
Because he's a mercenary and would jump ship the moment someone comes in with 5k more per week than we can offer him. Oh and he's not as good as RvP. Apparently
Few would complain about him looking a payrise. Many would complain about the way he went about getting it.
And? So do I.......I just want it to be a lot sooner than you do
Captain....seriously? Get to feck.
Agreed.
I think Rooney is a top class player, but we also have other top class players in his position, so it wouldn't hurt as much if he left. Wilshere next to Cleverley (with Carrick for a few years as well) could provide the basis of our team for the next decade.
One great player for 5 years vs a great midfield for 10... Only one winner in my view.
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