Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Lawman said:
Cheers Arruda
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That said the Webster ruling has been used so few times that I think there is an expanded gentlemen's agreement upon not using. Otherwise a lot more transfers would have fallen under this article.
 
SteveJ said:
Graceless stuff from Mourinho:

Ahead of Manchester United’s crunch game with Chelsea, Jose Mourinho had a few words. Words which will enrage Manchester United manager David Moyes.

The story with quotes will be on Monday’s Guardian front page.

Jose Mourinho pointed the finger at David Moyes, blaming him for Rooney’s unhappiness at the club, because the new United manager described the England striker as ‘second-choice’ to Robin Van Persie.

Mourinho waged war when asked if Moyes should shoulder the blame. “Of course” he responded.

The Chelsea manager said “We are trying to get a player that a manager told ‘You will be a second option’ for him (Van Persie).”

A third Chelsea bid for the Manchester United forward is expected before the transfer window closes.

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Moyes did say that which imo isn't the best of things to say.
 
Mourinho keeping up his amazing record of mentioning Manchester United in near enough every press conference. Obsessed.
 
Why does he have to be a classless twat when managing Chelsea? Fergie retires and everyone becomes a cnut.
 
Art said:
Moyes did say that which imo isn't the best of things to say.
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It was something that was unnecessary. It just gave excuse for Rooney or his camp to come out with the 'angry an confused' line, and to justify his unhappiness. Maureen is always going to play on that. At least give the appearance to the media that Rooney is as talismanic and is on a equal footing as Van Persie, even if you don't think this the case.
 
Art said:
Moyes did say that which imo isn't the best of things to say.
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Moyes didnt really say that.

This is an important point that whatever happens in the rooney situation people need to understand. You are talking about the british media. Moyes' actual quotes that day, which got turned into "I need him if anything happens Robin"

"I think he’s got a major role to play because we need to try and get as many goals as we possibly can. Overall my thought on Wayne is he'll be key.If for any reason we had an injury to Robin I want to be able to use him.. I want to be able to play the two of them and I want to be able to use Danny Welbeck and Chicharito also. It’s a chance for me to get Wayne right back to where he was. That’s the challenge and a challenge I want to take on. II've got to make sure it's not just about him and we dont just concentrate on him. Manchester United is not about Wayne Rooney."



The media took one soundbyte and turned it into a story, neglecting the rest. He laid down a challenge to Rooney, to try motivate him to recover his best form and judging by Rooney's silence its a challenge he isnt man enough for.

Regards Mourinho, I think he has accepted defeat and is just trying to poison the relationship as much as he can. That and he cant stop talking about Man Utd. Every interview this season he has talked about them. We didn't want you Jose, because you eventually ruin every club you go to, move on.
 
Strange how Mourinho's happy to be at a club where he was 2nd choice (at best).
 
I have no idea why anyone would want us to sell him. Even if we got a good fee for him, we wouldn't reinvest it in a player of even close ability and experience as Rooney. We supposedly have money to spend this summer but have completely failed with our laughable bids to buy anyone.
 
KingMinger22 said:
I have no idea why anyone would want us to sell him. Even if we got a good fee for him, we wouldn't reinvest it in a player of even close ability and experience as Rooney. We supposedly have money to spend this summer but have completely failed with our laughable bids to buy anyone.
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This is what I think too. If we sold the best striker we have had over the past 9 years consistently, we would be left with RvP who looks like he will have a stormer of a season, welbeck who still has the jury out on his ability to score a lot of goals as well as being played all over the place, and Hernandez whose main strength is coming off the bench and changing a game out of our favour. That is 3 strikers for a 4-4-2 formation we favoured a lot in playing in previous seasons. I know a lot of people see Kagawa as a key down the middle, but I don't see Kagawa on the same level of Rooney in terms of goals and assists as well as the workrate he provides to the team when on form. So if we were left with these options, that is just one quality player less than before; doesn't help us in the slightest.

If we were to sell and buy a striker, who could we possibly buy? The two biggest names available have already moved in Cavani and Falcao, the next biggest name wants to run his contract down at Dortmund and leave to Bayern supposedly (also rumoured to have rejected our advances within this year), and another player we could have gone for has been linked with Arsenal, but doesn't want to move and fight for his place at Madrid. These are the only strikers I see good enough to replace Rooney if he were to move, but none of them are simply available. All we would be doing by selling Rooney is moving backwards, and we really don't want to do that at all.
 
Amir said:
A year is a long, long time in football. He'll come around from his little show at Swansea, the season will go on and by next summer he may not be looking to leave at all.
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Ah, but you see we shall be looking to sell either way i think, particularly if Danny continues his impressive start to the season and Kagawa solidifies his position at United.


SteveJ said:
Full article featuring Jose's rubbishy comments:



http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/aug/25/jose-mourinho-david-moyes-wayne-rooney
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I find this to be amusing/silly rather than an insult, it's a bit early for panto season admittedly yet has thtat air to it.

At times Jose will act a way to a purpose, here he has fallen into the trap of acting like a caricature of the image he has created.

Morons like Ashton will lap it up of course but that can't be helped. Did you see his adoration of Mourinho on the Sunday Supplement this morning? I had a quick listen to the podcast earlier so i don't know if he looked as daft as he sounded, however because he was utterly patronising to Paul Lambert midweek it makes Jose the Godfather.
 
SER19 said:
Moyes didnt really say that.

This is an important point that whatever happens in the rooney situation people need to understand. You are talking about the british media. Moyes' actual quotes that day, which got turned into "I need him if anything happens Robin"

"I think he’s got a major role to play because we need to try and get as many goals as we possibly can. Overall my thought on Wayne is he'll be key.If for any reason we had an injury to Robin I want to be able to use him.. I want to be able to play the two of them and I want to be able to use Danny Welbeck and Chicharito also.It’s a chance for me to get Wayne right back to where he was. That’s the challenge and a challenge I want to take on. II've got to make sure it's not just about him and we dont just concentrate on him. Manchester United is not about Wayne Rooney."



The media took one soundbyte and turned it into a story, neglecting the rest. He laid down a challenge to Rooney, to try motivate him to recover his best form and judging by Rooney's silence its a challenge he isnt man enough for.

Regards Mourinho, I think he has accepted defeat and is just trying to poison the relationship as much as he can. That and he cant stop talking about Man Utd. Every interview this season he has talked about them. We didn't want you Jose, because you eventually ruin every club you go to, move on.
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This.
 
What gave that misrepresentation legs was how the Rooney camp attempted to use it to their advantage with the 'angry and confused' statement.
 
I can't see how he can start tomorrow. Welbeck should be starting on form anyway.
 
I don't think Moyes would start him if he wasn't match fit e.g. no appearance in the community shield and not a starting place vs Swansea. If Moyes starts him then I trust that he will be fit.
 
I really don't see how he can possibly play tonight. Who knows how he'll react to playing against the team he wants to join. It has the potential to become a sideshow.
 
Brophs said:
I really don't see how he can possibly play tonight. Who knows how he'll react to playing against the team he wants to join. It has the potential to become a sideshow.
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Apart from the rock solid fact that nobody knows how he feels or who he wants to join or even if he want's to join there would be little standing in the way of him starting. For speculated reasons aside. I can't see him not starting personally if he is fit enough to start. Got 20 minutes and looked pretty good against the Swans.
 
Rooney starting or not depends on his state of mind, Moyes's understanding of it and he deciding whether it is right thing to do(starting rooney). I am sure Moyes must have had discussion with Rooney before claiming Rooney has 'good chance' of starting and playing today. Let's see. I am hoping he starts and makes telling contribution for a United win.
 
Brophs said:
I really don't see how he can possibly play tonight. Who knows how he'll react to playing against the team he wants to join. It has the potential to become a sideshow.
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In the same way as him not playing also makes him a sideshow.
 
I'm a massive fan of Rooney but the only person he should start in front of is Giggs tonight!
 
Just imagine.....

We win a penalty, Van Persie has the ball in his hands, about to place the ball on the spot, but turns around instead and throws Rooney the ball and walks away.

That would be huge :drool:
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Just imagine.....

We win a penalty, Van Persie has the ball in his hands, about to place the ball on the spot, but turns around instead and throws Rooney the ball and walks away.

That would be huge :drool:
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I'd rather he just buried that effing penalty instead of dicking around.
 
If he is starting, it means that he has been trusted to put the chances away when he gets them. I don't see how that being from the penalty spot should be any different. He shouldn't be taking penalties though, he's shit at them.
 
Wayne Rooney transfer: Dave Kidd on why even a fistful of dollars will not land Chelsea Wayne Rooney - and the title - Dave Kidd - Mirror Online

He will stride into Old Trafford tomorrow night with the swagger of a man whose record against Manchester United is unparalleled.
He will strut along the touchline in the supreme belief that he, and not David Moyes, should really be the sheriff in the home dugout.
And he will still fancy his chances of ending the transfer window having relieved United of their most famous player.

Jose Mourinho, with just three defeats in 16 matches against United, will be acting as if he owns the old Theatre Of Dreams.
Mourinho, who raced down that same touchline as a young gunslinger to celebrate victory with Porto in 2004.
Mourinho, whose Chelsea side received a guard of honour there a year later after winning their first title in 50 years, and promptly stuffed their polite hosts 3-1.

Mourinho, who hammed up the humility as Real Madrid knocked out United in last season’s Champions League – when Rooney was benched by Sir Alex Ferguson, letting off a transfer stinkbomb which will linger until the September 2 deadline.

Oh, it will all be about Mourinho in the big-match build-up. Even with someone other than Ferguson taking charge of United in a competitive home match for the first time in 27 years.


Except that managers do not win titles. Players do. And, most notably, centre-forwards.
Mourinho will know, in his heart of hearts, that Chelsea do not possess a centre-forward capable of leading them to the title.

Sure, the capture of Willian is a pleasing, mischievous piece of business. But Chelsea need a striker, not another creative attacking midfielder.
The Beatles once sang that there were 4,000 holes in Blackburn, Lancashire – and Chelsea have enough attacking midfielders to fill every damned one of them.

But the Blues do not possess a goalscorer who can hold a candle to Rooney or Robin van Persie or any of Manchester City’s fab four – Sergio Aguero, Alvaro Negredo, Stevan Jovetic and Edin Dzeko.
Fernando Torres may have been such a player a couple of years ago and Romelu Lukaku may become such a player in a couple of years time, while Demba Ba is merely a gifted fly-by-night mercenary, with a goal in every port. Samuel Eto’o is no longer a Galactico but an ageing fall-back option.

Which is why Chelsea’s pursuit of Rooney has been so dogged. Why they will bid at least £40million for the England striker after tomorrow’s match in a bid to bridge a sizeable gap which still exists between Chelsea and the two Manchester clubs, Special One or no Special One. Although even that figure will not be enough.
But Mourinho knows he will first have to watch Rooney tearing it up against Chelsea tomorrow – with Moyes suggesting the England striker is likely to start alongside Van Persie as United look to strike an early blow in the title race.

It almost went unnoticed but something rather strange happened at Swansea last Saturday night. The manager of Manchester United praised Wayne Rooney, something which has not happened for some time.
Not only did Moyes hand Rooney a good half-hour but the player responded with gusto.
You feel that however sullen, however egotistical, Rooney might seem at times, there is something in his DNA which precludes him from giving anything less than 100 per cent on a football field.
And that, apart from the vast salary he will always be assured of, all Rooney requires is regular football and a little love.

He was receiving little of either from Ferguson late last season and it is likely that the dead hand of the former manager has not since helped Rooney’s relationship with the club.

Fergie’s influence remains strong, as both Moyes and new chief exeuctive Ed Woodward lean on him for advice.
Woodward’s insistence that United are in no rush to offer Rooney a new contract upset the player, but Moyes is trying to engineer a peace process.

The new United manager does not want to lose England’s leading striker for footballing reasons. Woodward and the board do not want to lose him for commercial reasons, especially while United have been unable to make a marquee summer signing.

And why Mourinho believes that United might wish to hand a title rival exactly what they are lacking and exactly what they crave, is beyond those of us not in possession of an ego orbited by its own moons.
The sort of superhuman self-belief which has fired Mourinho to great feats in the past.
But never without the aid of an A-list striker. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/wayne-rooney-transfer-dave-kidd-2219418
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I don't give a shit which Chelsea players they want to offer (and I do believe they offered Mata/Luiz + cash) we must not sell Rooney to Chelsea because its handing them exactly what they lack. No fecking way should we be doing that with a title rival, in what is already going to be a tough season for David Moyes.

Anyway first the Daniel Taylor article I posted in the Mourinho thread, and now this. Nice to see some journos can do something other than describe his 'mind games' using superlatives.
 
Not to sound too cliche, & I know a lot of our fans might not want to hear this, but not selling Rooney to Chelsea might be our greatest piece of transfer business we do this season. We'll see come awards time at the end of the year I guess.
 
Not sure Rooney ever really plays particularly well when he has something to prove and all the focus on him (debut aside?) but if Kagawa's still not sharp enough then Rooney's got to start, IMO.
 
Brwned said:
Not sure Rooney ever really plays particularly well when he has something to prove and all the focus on him (debut aside?) but if Kagawa's still not sharp enough then Rooney's got to start, IMO.
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Spot on.

SAF took him out of the firing line on a few occasions (against both Everton and Liverpool) because he has a tendency to get too hot under the collar when the focus is on him.

Not sure about you, but I don't see how we can trust someone who wants to leave for Chelsea to perform against them.

In any case, Moyes is in danger of doing some damage if he drops Welbeck for Rooney, IMO.
 
Welbeck will play regardless. Dropping him for Rooney isn't under debate in my opinion. It's whether Rooney starts behind Van Persie is the main question.

I agree with Godfather. I reckon, subject to him starting, he'll play a big part tonight if we win.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
Welbeck will play regardless. Dropping him for Rooney isn't under debate in my opinion. It's whether Rooney starts behind Van Persie is the main question.

I agree with Godfather. I reckon, subject to him starting, he'll play a big part tonight if we win.
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Do you trust him to apply himself? I'm unconvinced that his head will be in the right place...
 
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