Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Iniesta a is a fantastic player and clearly better than Rooney but I'd rather keep Wayne if in some fecked up world an exchange was to happen between the two.I guess it's because I have no need for proof to see that Rooney perfectly suits United whereas with United despite his obvious greatness, it's always gonna speculation how well he'd perform until we'd see it
 
Yes if you are being literal about the thought experiment there is a not insignificant risk that Iniesta would struggle to adapt to the PL, and would be far less effective for us than Rooney. Though I doubt that would be the case to be honest.
 
Its a bit of a nonsense argument if you ask me

Rooney fits in at United perfectly

Iniesta, no doubt that he is a world class player. But, is that because of the system that he plays in and the players that he is fortunate to have playing that system with him? One would have to ask where he would fit into the United way?

Would I want him at United? Yes, but not at the expense of Rooney. Its players like Rooney that win you the English league

If Iniesta ended up at Arsenal, he'd wreck havoc because the system is already setup for him. I think at United it would be like trying to put a square block into a round hole. No matter how much that square block cost you, and how much you love it, it will not fit into that round hole without altering it.
 
golden_blunder said:
Its a bit of a nonsense argument if you ask me

Rooney fits in at United perfectly

Iniesta, no doubt that he is a world class player. But, is that because of the system that he plays in and the players that he is fortunate to have playing that system with him? One would have to ask where he would fit into the United way?

Would I want him at United? Yes, but not at the expense of Rooney. Its players like Rooney that win you the English league

If Iniesta ended up at Arsenal, he'd wreck havoc because the system is already setup for him. I think at United it would be like trying to put a square block into a round hole. No matter how much that square block cost you, and how much you love it, it will not fit into that round hole without altering it.
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I could see Iniesta fitting in at United. If he came, then I think he would be able to work alongside a more defensive minded midfielder like Carrick in a 2-man midfield. It's never going to happen while he's in his prime, but I think he would be able to fit in hypothetically.
 
Iniesta, as talented as he is would be seba veron all over again. Lets not forget, seba was one of the most in demand and highly rated midfielders in the world when we signed him, but due to the differences in systems from what he was used to, being asked to play in an unfamiliar role and possibly other factors he was a let down here.
 
Who started this fit into the other team business regarding Rooney and Iniesta? If you have doubts over Iniesta fitting into the English premier league (hard to believe given the likes of Carzola, Fabregas and Silva who are lesser players are thriving or have thrived), then the same doubts would apply to Rooney fitting at Barca (or even starting really). At United it's a different matter, we don't seem to like playmakers unless they play very deep or are actually striker, for some reason. It has no bearing on the quality of the player. At all.

I was simply talking about who the better player was - Iniesta, and easily.
 
Iniesta certainly wouldn't look out of place in our diamond formation. I think Sparky and gb making the assumption our system is rigid but yet we've been talking how this rigidness might change. Clearly he excels in the Barca system. It's the system he's known since he was a boy.

You must also consider we haven't had such players like Iniesta at United. We're seeing now with Kagawa how his acclimation is two-fold. Our players are getting used to him and he's getting used to us. We still haven't found out how best to use him despite knowing his best position. I'm sure this will be resolved in the future. Back on topic, Iniesta would probably have a similar bedding in period. However, due to his talent and football intelligence, I don't think it would take very long for him to settle in. Of course he wouldn't necessarily flourish in the rigid 4-4-2 system with an expansive mindset where we rely on wingers to produce more so than midfield. At the same time, I think we're moving from using solely that style of play into something more varied. If Iniesta was to ever fit into our system, we would have to make some accommodations as well. A bit like how we did with Ronaldo but not building the team around Iniesta.

Could he function in a 2-man midfield? Probably but once again, for a player of Iniesta's class, if he hypothetically joined United, wouldn't we want him in a position where he can best utilize his abilities?
 
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Adebesi said:
It would be fascinating to see how Rooney would fit in at Barca tho. In a would-be-fecking-awful-if-it-actually-happened kind of a way.
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paceme said:
Iniesta is better than Rooney but I wouldn't swap the two. I've never really understood it when people say they would swap player A for player B, I don't just watch United because of the success I do it because of the players, swapping any player for someone better just seems like glory hunting.
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Ah, right. I generally see people meaning to compare players when they talk about swapping. Otherwise, it involves too many intangibles to form a proper discussion. IF I had to genuinely swap the two I'd assume we'd make the necessary changes to accomodate the other player. Otherwise, you wouldn't even swap Rooney for Zidane, because we don't have a position for Zidane, despite Zidane being in a different league altogether. Basically, the statement doesn't mean anything if we assume things to be the same.
 
as for who is better, Rooney or Iniesta?

its a bit random to throw that in, clearly Iniesta is a better player, with better consistency across all levels. But whats that got to do with a Wayne Rooney thread?
 
We would be absolutely retarded not to build our team around mostly Iniesta if we had him. It wouldn't be about us fitting him in or him adapting to our system - if we had any sense we'd be doing whatever it took to make sure he was on the ball as much as possible, with most of our play going through him.

I think Rooney is fantastic at his best and easily one of the world's best players, but Iniesta is a different article altogether in my opinion. When he's on form and at the top of his game, he's in a very elite bracket.

Edit: ^True, seems a weird thread to be talking about Iniesta in I suppose.
 
golden_blunder said:
like i said, its a nonsense argument
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Agree.

golden_blunder said:
as for who is better, Rooney or Iniesta?

its a bit random to throw that in, clearly Iniesta is a better player, with better consistency across all levels. But whats that got to do with a Wayne Rooney thread?
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This is where it started.

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I believe that he is the 3rd best player in the world besides Ronaldo and Messi for his ability to influence games.
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KingEric7 said:
We would be absolutely retarded not to build our team around mostly Iniesta if we had him. It wouldn't be about us fitting him in or him adapting to our system - if we had any sense we'd be doing whatever it took to make sure he was on the ball as much as possible, with most of our play going through him.

I think Rooney is fantastic at his best and easily one of the world's best players, but Iniesta is a different article altogether in my opinion. When he's on form and at the top of his game, he's in a very elite bracket.

Edit: ^True, seems a weird thread to be talking about Iniesta in I suppose.
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People aren't just walking in and talking about Iniesta because they felt like or they wanted to put Rooney down. It started as a direct response to the post above. Perfectly understandable that Iniesta and Xavi would come up as a result of that post.
 
18 goals behind Sir Bobby and he's still only 26.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
You do know we sign players to try and win stuff right? To be successful? It's the same thing. Doesn't every supporter of every club want their team to be successful? Not sure how that is gloryhunting. Also you're reading too much into it. When people they say they'd swap they're just trying to say who is the better player.
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I prefer watching Rooney, that's why I would want to keep him.
 
Lynk said:
18 goals behind Sir Bobby and he's still only 26.
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Needs to get his shooting boots on this season though. He hasn't scored for us as of yet right?

Edit: JUST remembered he had been injured for a month the same time I pressed "Post reply" :lol:
 
amolbhatia100 said:
People aren't just walking in and talking about Iniesta because they felt like or they wanted to put Rooney down. It started as a direct response to the post above. Perfectly understandable that Iniesta and Xavi would come up as a result of that post.
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I was talking about him too to be fair, I don't know what I'm on about. :lol:
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
Iniesta, as talented as he is would be seba veron all over again. Lets not forget, seba was one of the most in demand and highly rated midfielders in the world when we signed him, but due to the differences in systems from what he was used to, being asked to play in an unfamiliar role and possibly other factors he was a let down here.
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Just reread my post........This should have read COULD be seba veron all over again.
 
10 years ago today he scored "that goal" against Arsenal.

Couple of journo's on Twitter asking if he's become the player we thought he would?

I'd say so. He's one of the best players in the world, in a time when we have Messi and Ronaldo.
 
I think back then we thought he would become an explosive striker who continued to score great goals and make blistering runs past defenders.

He's actually turned into a great all round forward instead.

Anyway, the hype was always too high with Rooney, as with all English players who play well at youth level. The consensus around then was that he'd become the best player in the world.
 
Cina said:
I think back then we thought he would become an explosive striker who continued to score great goals and make blistering runs past defenders.

He's actually turned into a great all round forward instead.

Anyway, the hype was always too high with Rooney, as with all English players who play well at youth level. The consensus around then was that he'd become the best player in the world.
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I wouldn't say his hype was unjustified though. He was ridiculous as a 16/17 year old. The best I've seen at that age easily. There's this clip I saw on youtube sometime of his performance vs us for Everton when he was 16/17 and while he didn't score a goal he was making our defenders look utterly clueless.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I wouldn't say his hype was unjustified though. He was ridiculous as a 16/17 year old. The best I've seen at that age easily. There's this clip I saw on youtube sometime of his performance vs us for Everton when he was 16/17 and while he didn't score a goal he was making our defenders look utterly clueless.
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Really? You don't remember Messi at the 06 WC then? :)

To be fair, back then I certainly didn't expect Ronaldo to go on and be the better player of the two.

I more so meant overhype in that no 16/17 year old player should be labelled "potentially the best in the world", it's not really justifiable at that age.
 
Cina said:
Really? You don't remember Messi at the 06 WC then? :)

To be fair, back then I certainly didn't expect Ronaldo to go on and be the better player of the two.

I more so meant overhype in that no 16/17 year old player should be labelled "potentially the best in the world", it's not really justifiable at that age.
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I agree with your point, but at the same time he was just a freakishly good player for his age. I don't think Messi was as good either. Maybe he was more talented (well obviously he must have been) but I don't remember a 16/17 year old Messi doing the things on the stage Rooney was at such a young age (for Everton and then for England at the Euros).
 
It is an interesting question. On one hand, he is a world class player and scored plenty of goals, is vital to our play etc.
On the other hand, when you look back when he was aroudn 17/18, he seemed such an extraordinary talent that you thought he will be named as the best player in a few years. He has not quite lived up to that imho, mainly as he is too inconsistent compared to the two other best players
 
Everyone seems to agree that his consistency was the main factor holding him back. But is there no blame at all at the way we developed him? After years of playing him out of position and switching between flanks and midfield, surely his game will change accordingly.

Im not saying it anyone's fault but his, but i'm sure that it really helps Messi and Ronaldo when the whole team is built around them. They are both more talented than our Wayne, but maybe he wouldve been more consistent if he had been played in a team built around him, instead being juggled to accommodate others.
 
kafta said:
Everyone seems to agree that his consistency was the main factor holding him back. But is there no blame at all at the way we developed him? After years of playing him out of position and switching between flanks and midfield, surely his game will change accordingly.

Im not saying it anyone's fault but his, but i'm sure that it really helps Messi and Ronaldo when the whole team is built around them. They are both more talented than our Wayne, but maybe he wouldve been more consistent if he had been played in a team built around him, instead being juggled to accommodate others.
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I think thats a credit to Rooney and Fergie. Being tactically flexible, for the benefit of the team is a great asset. The fluid front 3 of Rooney-Ronaldo-Tevez was brilliant. English players have always been poor in terms of only knowing how to play one role.

The one season Rooney was the focal point in 2009/10 he scored 30 plus goals by March, before his injury.
 
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