Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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With regards the fitness issue, it's said that Moyes is one of the top coaches in terms of player fitness and it's something he outwardly prides himself on.
Great point. Even in the 80's when the pub culture was prevalent here Ray Wilkins mentioned how when he went abroad he found Italy was so far ahead of the English game tactically and fitness wise. Pub culture is part of being British how many of these players do you think followed their dads, cousins, older brothers even the whole family down to the local a couple of times a week?
Those players you mentioned where not given a free pass Tevez' lack of fitness was noted and so has Rooney's. Also remember Ronaldinho left Barca and went to Ac one of Europe's biggest clubs. Hard to really define a cut off how about Ronaldo Lima he was some what on the big side while playing for Madrid and AC. If the player is good enough exceptions are made to an extent but do you think with all the foreign coaches in the English games players are really allowed to get away with it? We seem to be the worst culprits Rooney, Ando and Tevez
Well, there's plenty of surmise in that. I'm not saying you're entirely wrong, but there's plenty of surmise. Ronaldinho had become a party boy by the time he was shipped out. It wasn't a case of a player not giving it 100% in training - it was a case of far more blantantly unprofessional conduct. Ando - oh, Ando - is a player drenched in rumours and hearsay. The question you're asking could be rephrased thus: How long do you think Alex Ferguson would've put up with a lazy, unprofessional fatso in his team...? The same Fergie who has constantly praised Giggs' professionalism, holding him forth as an example for others to follow...The same Fergie who hailed Cantona's professionalism back in the day, stating how important his influence had been when it came to training discipline and morale...Would he really tolerate having unprofessional, lazy players around for years? And would he - really - have stacked up an unprecedented pile of trophies if he had been so laidback in his attitude towards fatsos and boozers? I just don't see how that computes, as they say.
The top English clubs have dominated European football during the last decade no less than their Spanish, German or Italian counterparts. That fact can't be ignored. The English attitude problem, as we may call it, was very real when Fergie took over United, but things have changed dramatically since then. The Sunderland example is striking, I'll give you that. But how representative it is - is hard to tell. Look at Moyes' Everton for a completely different picture. I don't think there's any evidence of a pervasive negative culture in the English top flight game - not these days.
Read that somewhere as well. Getting Anderson fit enough for 90 minutes seems to be more a task for a magician though.
Read that somewhere as well. Getting Anderson fit enough for 90 minutes seems to be more a task for a magician though.
Was thinking more of Rooney but maybe he's the man to finally realise Ando's potential.
I find it hard to believe SAF, Phelan, and Scholes all have said Rooney asked for a transfer. How do they all get the same story... wrong?
Here is Scholes interview where he mentions it around 9:57...
Here is Scholes interview where he mentions it around 9:57...
Someone says, "he's asked for a transfer." Phelan says, yep. Scholes says "Really?.. Ok then.. Yep". Not that hard.
Scholes is so adorable, can see he's visibly uncomfortable doing that interview.
Scholes refused to play...... HANG HIM.
I'm getting dizzy now and I don't remember who said what in detail - but as someone else here said to, er, someone else, this thing probably isn't clear cut, black and white, what have you: What does it mean that Rooney has asked for a transfer? It could mean anything from him handing in a transfer request (which he probably hasn't, that seems fairly certain) to him throwing a bit of a tantrum, saying: "Look, if I'm not appreciated around here, perhaps I should move on?" The last statement isn't really "asking for a transfer", though it may be construed as such. Which means that both parties may have a point, as it were.
If Fergie made his comment in the post match interview on the basis of something like the above - well, then he wasn't lying, it makes no sense to call it a lie. One may call it being somewhat economical with the truth but it certainly isn't a blatant lie. But Rooney isn't lying either if he claims that he hasn't made a request to be transferred. Because he hasn't, not really.
It doesn't have to be more complicated than that.
What makes it a bit of a mess for us, the ignorant fans, is - of course - that Fergie has retired. Rooney isn't his problem anymore. He doesn't have to sit down with him (and his odious agent) to clear up any possible misunderstandings.
That interview was about 2 days after and I am sure Scholesy heard/read the rumors too
The conundrum is you then have an unhappy player who doesn't want to be here. This is the issue with playing hardball. I think that is why Mitten stated that the club may not have a choice. It's all fine and dandy making the boy stay. However, we have to be open to the fact that keeping a potentially unhappy Rooney may not be the best scenario for this new era under Moyes.
After listening to Mitten's interview, it is hard for me to imagine Wayne not stirring up trouble again even if he does stay. However, Mitten makes a fair point. Wayne is human, therefore there is the capability to change his mind and Moyes may rekindle the fire so to speak. Yet for myself, I find the latter very unlikely.
It would be a terrible proposition to sell Rooney to Chelsea but we may have to concede defeat on such a player. This will be Moyes' fourth day in charge and he has so so much on his plate already. If Rooney doesn't seem like he's going to change his mind then I think Moyes has to let him go. I would rather he be sold abroad but who is in for him? There are reports a lot of clubs are monitoring the situation but I'm unsure if we can sell Rooney abroad considering he wants to stay in England. It will be an interesting situation to monitor but I'm becoming more resigned to Rooney leaving. I feel like a broken record but if he does stay, he shouldn't get a new contract and he needs to show more than he has already if he wants to even think of staying here much longer.
Listen to the interview mate: http://www.newstalk.ie/Off-The-Ball-discuss-the-Wayne-Rooney-situation
Why does that matter then, if the so suggested 'club is bigger than the player'? feck the player, sit on the bench and shut the feck up, we're bigger than you.
And pay his wages while he's rotting on the bench? No thanks.
Exactly. Asking what your future role is going to be and then saying that unless you are going to be a starting striker in the big games you might have to consider your future is a long way from a formal transfer request. Both sides version gel with this sort of scenario.
Rodney vs. Fergie? Wow!
Someone wrote earlier about this but anyway some of you should think twice before you start make this into some misunderstanding. For those of you who have experience in management you know what I mean.
Ask yourself honestly. Do you really think that a manager with nearly 40 years experience, a man who have devoted his life to our club for a quarter o a century, a person who's is famous and earn respects everywhere for his man management and finally a old man who is entering his last couple of weeks before retirement will start telling a story like this without standing on solid grounds. Don't you think he understands the consequences and do you honestly think that he would enter his retirement with a lie or a misunderstanding of this magnitude on his shoulder?
IMO it's even disrespectful to raise this possibility as an option. Rooney may stay or not but don't let your hopes clouded your judgement.
Someone wrote earlier about this but anyway some of you should think twice before you start make this into some misunderstanding. For those of you who have experience in management you know what I mean.
Ask yourself honestly. Do you really think that a manager with nearly 40 years experience, a man who have devoted his life to our club for a quarter o a century, a person who's is famous and earn respects everywhere for his man management and finally a old man who is entering his last couple of weeks before retirement will start telling a story like this without standing on solid grounds. Don't you think he understands the consequences and do you honestly think that he would enter his retirement with a lie or a misunderstanding of this magnitude on his shoulder?
IMO it's even disrespectful to raise this possibility as an option. Rooney may stay or not but don't let your hopes clouded your judgement.
If you wish not to discuss the matter, then do not reply. We're better off letting him go elsewhere than holding on to him for a matter of principle if he doesn't want to be here.
Okay mate. Suit yourself.
Well twice you've just described the club vicariously as though you have a say in what is going on or you 'are' the club. "We" implying that you have any say in the matter whatsoever or the outcome of the clubs business directly effects you as a person (or personally, on a personal level). Personal
As a fan I understand, as a disconnected from the continent fan I understand even more. But sitting him on the bench for x years if the club can afford it then it really doesn't effect you in the slightest. Essentially you're thinly veiling the fact that you already think he's to expensive. What the club does, the club does. If it thinks that Rooney sits on the bench for 4 years and hardly plays anymore while paying his wages I don't really think it should wind anyone up on a personal level.
Enough to start taking the plight of the club personally and speculatively answering questions on which direction the club should go with absolutely no involvement by association to it whatsoever. It's a similar point to the one Brnwed made earlier about people taking a lot of this personally as if it is a slight on themselves because it is a slight on the club they support, tying it with it's relative level of weirdness.
If it is just the way it is worded (describing the club sentimentally) and your opinion then that's all well and good as well.
As a fan I understand, as a disconnected from the continent fan I understand even more. But sitting him on the bench for x years if the club can afford it then it really doesn't effect you in the slightest. Essentially you're thinly veiling the fact that you already think he's to expensive. What the club does, the club does. If it thinks that Rooney sits on the bench for 4 years and hardly plays anymore while paying his wages I don't really think it should wind anyone up on a personal level.
Enough to start taking the plight of the club personally and speculatively answering questions on which direction the club should go with absolutely no involvement by association to it whatsoever. It's a similar point to the one Brnwed made earlier about people taking a lot of this personally as if it is a slight on themselves because it is a slight on the club they support, tying it with it's relative level of weirdness.
If it is just the way it is worded (describing the club sentimentally) and your opinion then that's all well and good as well.
Have we had the Sky Sports saying that no meeting over Rooney took place yesterday. It's due to happen today.
I've heard it. What's your point?
You raise an interesting point, but don't forget in the not that distant past, supporters were far more connected to the club, players were local lads, the chairman was usually a local businessman of some description and the club wasn't just a football club, it was a hub for the community in general. (personally I think football was better for it but that is a different debate for a different thread)
And as for the clubs actions affecting you personally.....of course they do! I know more than a few lads who over the previous 10 years or so have been priced out of going to support the club they love on a regular basis, loyal passionate reds who are reduced to going occasionally as a special treat, and when you see that yet some over privileged troll is having a pissy fit because he feels he deserves a few more thousand pounds a week it really grates. (Not singling out Rooney here, I'm talking generally) And I'm sure I'm not the only one who has at times found there lives so turned to shit that a weeks happiness or otherwise stems from those 90 minutes at the weekend......when you have nothing else your team takes on that much more significance. Its not healthy to be that invested in it, if anything it is decidedly bad for your mental well being.......but it happens.
So saying 'we' when referring to the team you support implies that you think you have a say in how the club is run?
Clown.
Clown.
Good listen, thank you.
Seems clear that there was at least talk a verbal request for a transfer. So again Wayne can go on and on but ultimately whether we have something in writing or not he said he wanted to leave.
The bit about the verbal transfer request.
Unless Andy Mitten was in the room he's being briefed by the same people all the other journos are. What makes his word and stronger than other journos who report otherwise?
The interview was aired just before our final game from what I recall.
Correct and then when it went back to the studio Chamberlin said that the comment was just tongue and cheek from Scholes and nothing had been confirmed.
Bagdad?
He has strong contacts. Your first sentence is an assumption. We don't know who he knows but as far I know, he's well-connected. I'll take his word over anything printed the in the Mail, Mirror, or Sun.
But to be fair most of us take the word of Comical Ali over the daily rags.
Great comment man. When times have been tough from when i was a kid, i always had United to concentrate on & u feel apart of the family. Its a great comfort & to do this day, havin United as part of my life for about 32yrs helps me through some really shit times, to which my love for the club has once again come through for me the past few months aswell
You know his contacts? Or is that one of those assumptions you seem to dislike so much?
I knew you were going to ask that Brophs. You dont have to know someone's contacts to know they are well-connected. Otherwise, what's the point of screening journalists and opining about who usually reports reliable news?
So essentially you're just going along with the lazy "All tabloids ever do is tell lies" line? Only it doesn't so much sound like you're screening journalists as discounting vast numbers of the profession based on who they work for.
That had more to do with his cult following and how he chose to express his propaganda. People took the piss out of the whole thing. "cluster bombs"
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