still cant understand what " looks a bit like" means huh?.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Perez said Ronaldo was been treated like a slave when we kept him for that extra year! Brownie points if anyone can find a video of fergies reaction to that
Edit: maybe it was blatter that said it
I'd say morally speaking - no. It makes little sense to keep a player on your books against his wishes from a more pragmatic viewpoint too. But there are exceptions. Because his wishes may be perfectly indecent (see Heinze). Then there's only two options: Sell him to a more suitable buyer or force him to see out his contract. The latter is an undesirable situation, obviously, but when it's caused by the player's own lack of decency - well, so be it.
And the sun looks a bit like a lemon, yet it's a fecking terrible thing to compare it with. You keep at it though.
Reading what you wrote, you say that Ferguson did not tell the truth, and thus did not tell us what Rooney had actually said. Again the questions beckons, what could possibly Ferguson and/or United benefit from saying that Rooney requested a transfer? You did write that personally you didn't think he handed in a transfer. How is that not saying Fergie lied, or fabricated the story?
Indeed - comparing football with slavery is just mean, really, thinking back and knowing what slaves had to go through. You may in some ways compare it to human trafficking, but on no level should you compare it to slavery.
Exactly my thoughts.
Which is quite a bit different to the phrase I used but then some on here cant work that out.Perez said Ronaldo was been treated like a slave when we kept him for that extra year! Brownie points if anyone can find a video of fergies reaction to that
feck me, firstly I used the term " looks a bit like" Are you lot all so PC that you cant understand there is quite a difference between saying something is like slavery and saying something LOOKS a BIT like slavery. Jesus H Christ. harden the feck up.
Rooney had weeks to fix any rift and clear the air over a simple misunderstanding, if this had been attempted i am certain that we would have heard word of it. Moreover he has not said that he wants to stay at United nor denied having asked to leave.
For a player who has to prove to the club that he is worth their continued loyalty and support, attempting to throw Sir Alex under the bus as a means of redemption doesn't strike me as entirely rational.
For a player who has to prove to the club that he is worth their continued loyalty and support, attempting to throw Sir Alex under the bus as a means of redemption doesn't strike me as entirely rational.
So what about my sun/lemon-thing compared to your slavery/footballplayer signing a contract earning him millions of pounds every year? Whats the difference?
Perez said Ronaldo was been treated like a slave when we kept him for that extra year! Brownie points if anyone can find a video of fergies reaction to that
Edit: maybe it was blatter that said it
Blatter:
Brownie points:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...IFA-chief-Blatter-Ronaldo-slavery-claims.html
It was an unfortunate statement from someone in such a position as Sepp Blatter," Ferguson told a pre-match press conference. "Slavery was abolished many years ago.
"These days footballers can earn five or six million pounds a year. I do not want to dignify this kind of statement with a response but when you consider the history of slavery, it was a very unfortunate statement."
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1039068/United-boss-Ferguson-hits-FIFA-chief-Blatter-Ronaldo-slavery-claims.html#ixzz2Y1XmwS1W
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Did he not say something along the lines of ''did they tell Franco that''??
Im searching Youtube but cant find it, i know i seen it before
I dont see any problem with saying the sun "looks a bit like" a lemon. You just dont understand what " looks a bit like" means do you. you do know what "bit" means dont you?
No, I didn't say that. Nor do I think it reads as such. It's not nearly as black and white as you want it to be. It's not a case of me believing one over the other.
My opinion is that Fergie stated what he believed to be the case honestly. He didn't say the exact words Rooney used. I don't find it hard to believe that Rooney could say something, whether through frustration or otherwise, which led Fergie to believe he wanted to leave the club. I also believe that Rooney didn't leave the meeting thinking that he'd asked to leave the club. In my mind, particularly when Rooney isn't the most articulate person in the world, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Not in my quote, he doesn't. Does this mean that I won't get those Brownie points? I need them badly...
And he hit back by dredging up Real's links with Spain's former fascist dictator, who made sure his favourite team benefited at the expense of their rivals.
"You get used to this, Madrid's behaviour on these things," said the angry Manchester United boss. "I read about Calderon making the great statement that slavery was abolished many, many years ago.
"Well, did they tell Franco that? Jesus Christ! Eh, give me a break!
Brilliant! god i miss him
Rossa you get brownie points for effort
"You get used to this, Madrid's behaviour on these things," said the angry Manchester United boss. "I read about Calderon making the great statement that slavery was abolished many, many years ago.
"Well, did they tell Franco that? Jesus Christ! Eh, give me a break!
Brilliant! god i miss him Rossa you get brownie points for effort
He takes some things very literally and other things he reads so far between the lines that he reads things that even the author didn't know were there.
OK, then it's different. From the post I quoted though, it clearly sounded like you said that Ferguson lied or constructed a "false" story. I personally doubt that Fergie would take a frustrated Rooney quote as evidence to Rooney leaving. He knows how much stick the fans would give him for that, and possibly never forgive, seeing it's the second request. Subsequently, I see no reason for Ferguson saying it unless Rooney blatantly said it, or handed in a written request.
And he hit back by dredging up Real's links with Spain's former fascist dictator, who made sure his favourite team benefited at the expense of their rivals.
"You get used to this, Madrid's behaviour on these things," said the angry Manchester United boss. "I read about Calderon making the great statement that slavery was abolished many, many years ago.
"Well, did they tell Franco that? Jesus Christ! Eh, give me a break!
Rossa you get brownie points for effort
That is brilliant!
Thanks, mate
Possibly all these things ('demanding' an apology; 'refusing' to take a pay-cut etc) are part of a plan ensuring that United will very much want to sell him?
Which bit does it look like?
The £8 million a year, or the free stuff from sponsors, or advertising revenue?
I never went to school.
He can go and feck himself if he thinks he is going to Chelsea. Ship him off to an oil club somewhere.
In case you haven't realised that you've interpreted my point in completely the wrong way, here's some previous posts to highlight my views:
I'm not taking Rooney's side. I think it's hilarious that people are even taking sides, truth be told. I have no love for Rooney. I simply think he's obviously a much better player than many here are letting on and we'd be fools to get rid of him unless he forces himself out. I feel absolutely no inclination to defend Rooney the person principally because I don't think judging these people based on these little snippets you get from the media is wise. Look how easy it was for people to say Giggs is a man of real class and an international role model until they got another little snippet of information and now he's a sleazy, dishonest little man. Scholesy's now seemingly the only squeaky clean player people can think of but then he's only seen that way because he keeps his personal life so private. It doesn't mean he's this honest, decent, honourable man, it just means he keeps to himself. Deciding which of these players are likeable based on so little information is a bit silly, really. As is judging them by how they treat the club for the most part. The majority of our big-name players have disrespected the club in various ways for their own personal gains. That's how football is. For some reason people feel the need to vilify certain players for widespread issues. For example it seems to me that Steve basically hates Rooney, and that's primarily because he particularly hates agents (and their influence in the background in the media). It's not something that's limited to Rooney but he's an easy figure to direct that hate at. I find that quite strange. People hate various things about this game that they love and because they can't actually do anything to combat these issues they decide to direct that hate at some person they don't know. Weird.
I haven't defended Rooney in any way. At the very least he acted like a bit of a prima donna when he finally got dropped on a couple of occasions (for his own "inconsistent" form). I think there's a fair chance he/Stretford also wanted to try and push the boat out for one last bumper contract too. Knowing how the biggest earners at our clubs are usually those who have been here for 7+ years and are in their late 20s I don't think it's that big a stretch to believe he decided to make another play to get some more cash. Maybe he found out van Persie got a wage that came close to his despite not having earned that through loyalty and it made him get even more greedy. Who knows. Me thinking that doesn't make him a despicable cnut is not the same as defending him. It's just accepting that the bizarre football/"celebrity" world he's a part of tends to do that to so many people. It doesn't mean he's blameless, it's just not something I feel is worth getting upset about. It is what it is. If I genuinely found myself getting angry about some footballer wanting to add a few more million to his bank account then I'd simply stop watching the game. Greed and lack of respect for your employers are hardly the biggest sins that exist throughout the game. Likewise when I say I think Sir Alex stretched the truth it's not me taking Rooney's (or RvN's or Keane's or Beckham's) side or disrespecting him in any way, it's not possible to be so successful in a world that's under so much scrutiny and a drama-thirsty media (and audience) without doing so consistently. It's not something specific to this "battle" with Rooney, it's just how I think he manages difficult situations with star players in general. It's not an attempt to excuse Rooney.
That's why this thread is so terrible. There's so many agendas going on and every single person is reading things how they want to read them rather than trying to understand what the other person is saying. And then any piece of non-information is dissected by the anti-Rooney fans as being yet another attempt by the Rooney camp to cover his arse and drag the club through the mud and then everyone on the opposite side jump to his defence and actually try to defend Rooney's actions which quite likely only existed in the writer's imagination for all of five minutes. It's basically a bunch of people taking different sides based on no information at all, and then repeating the same points over and over andn over again to remind people of their views on Rooney. It makes for awful "discussion".
The 'love of the club' and the 'fandom' that comes from supporting United has become this weird vicarious 'I want to feel like I control everything, what I hate becomes what the club should hate'.
I think it's a bit weird as well.
I would agree with that don't count your chickens, I think the results of these 'talks' may decide how Rooney finishes his career. I'm assuming every manager who is interested in signing him sees him the same way you do, that many great days may still be ahead as he enters what is meant to be his peak. I agree that perhaps raw talent wise he may not have been up there with the Messi's, Maradona's and Best's but for me he had enough that when discussing the game's best players he should be in that conversation with Ronaldo and Messi. For me in that regard he has failed. I don't think it is a question of what he can produced because when he has been at his best he has looked like one of the world's very best but it has been how consistently he has done it.
I would not want to let him go either I agree that he can go back to being one of Europe's very best but that is only if he wants it and if he does hopefully it is with us. A half arsed Rooney which some say we have had this season has still been an important part of our title wining campaign. That says it all in regards to the talent he possesses.
You never know.
Like a type of sea life which makes its digestion so unbearable that a predator vomits it back up again, or something.
Or Rooney when in cahoots with Stretford is but a scorpion:
A scorpion was walking along the bank of a river, wondering how to get to the other side. Suddenly, he saw a fox. He asked the fox to take him on his back across the river.
The fox said, "No. If I do that, you'll sting me, and I'll drown."
The scorpion assured him, "If I do that, we'll both drown."
The fox thought about it and finally agreed. So the scorpion climbed up on his back, and the fox began to swim. But halfway across the river, the scorpion stung him. As poison filled his veins, the fox turned to the scorpion and said, "Why did you do that? Now you'll drown, too."
"I couldn't help it," said the scorpion. "It's my nature."
The fox said, "No. If I do that, you'll sting me, and I'll drown."
The scorpion assured him, "If I do that, we'll both drown."
The fox thought about it and finally agreed. So the scorpion climbed up on his back, and the fox began to swim. But halfway across the river, the scorpion stung him. As poison filled his veins, the fox turned to the scorpion and said, "Why did you do that? Now you'll drown, too."
"I couldn't help it," said the scorpion. "It's my nature."
Fortunately United is a wily old fox and knows what best to do.
Sorry, mate, but you're mistaken in this. I've made my position clear several times in this thread - I'd like nothing better than to believe that Wayne will rediscover his zest and his passion for United. I don't believe that will happen though, hence my disappointment with Rooney (whch, true enough, now makes me wish he would leave). I do dislike what I've read about Rooney's agent over the years, and don't care much for agents generally. However, my supposed hatred for Rooney would've been obvious to all throughout the years I've been on the Caf if this had been so; it simply isn't the case though, sorry - if it was, I wouldn't hesitate to make my position clear to all.
He can go Arsenal. We owe them a favour. If we get someone like Bale or the great R, then he can go where the hell he wants. Wouldn't make a difference to us.
Has there ever been a more polarizing player at the club than Mister Rooney ?
Did they meet then? What happened? Did they have tea...what biscuits were served? Ginger nuts probably.
Tevez at the time of his loan deal expiring polarized opinion, but not quite to the same degree.
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Well, according to Mick Clegg, "99%" of players he's worked with are like Wayne Rooney. Something he was so sure about he felt he needed to make a point of pointing this out, in order to stop Rooney being singled out as not being typical.
I'm not convinced English/British players look after themselves that well. They often visibly tire in games while their foreign counter parts seem noticably less likely to. Most obvious recent example being the England vs Italy game at the Euros last year. I mean, Italy were better anyway, but they were also from about 60 minutes onwards, quite visibly more fit.
Ronaldo is a bit of a freak in terms of dedication. I mean, you can ask people to live on a diet of orange juice and fish if you want, but you'll never, ever get most of them to do it. He's not a bar you can realisticaly expect most people to reach for.
There is a scale though, and I genuinely think English players or players brought up in England are more succeptable to be further down it than foreign based counter parts. It's just a theory rather than anything I can really back up other than by comparing on the pitch performances, but there are some things about English teams that amaze me a bit.
Clubs do moniter performance and fitness. We know this...but when it comes to not tolerating it. To what level do they not tolerate? How do you explain Carlos Tevez for example? His frankly obvious lack of getting into shape has been tolerated over a period of years at both of the top two clubs in England. City clinged to him likea trophy. Di Canio took over at Sunderland and found players simply weren't fit, and would sometimes just go home and turn their phones off because they couldn't be arsed. Anderson has been tolerated by Manchester United for over 5 years...he's often literally not fit enough to complete a game of football. How long do you suppose the Barcelona side of 2008-2012 would put up with having a fatso in their team who knackered themselves out 60 minutes into every game? Or players who just couldn't be bothered to keep themselves in top condition? They got rid of Ronaldinho for this reason. Ronaldinho, for feck sake. Not Anderson or John O'Shea...an actual world class player shown the door because of what, according to a former United coach, is apparently typical to an extent of 99% of players based here.
It's worth a thought at least I reckon. Probably less of a thought and more of a serious comparison and looking into if I was in charge of the future of home grown football.
Take noodles post, then think about Giggs. It's worth saying - keeping fit is fecking important.
Rooney will be bigger than Bruce after he retires. I could see Wenger helping him though...he did the same for the Graham back five and got them playing well into their thirties at a consistently high level.
Of course, Rooney isn't coming to Arsenal though.
Of course, Rooney isn't coming to Arsenal though.
A straight swap with Mata would be so fecking awesome for us. Mata was a much better player last season, is much younger and in lower wages. We have Kagawa who can take Rooney's place.
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