The article says his base is £250k, not £300k, but even so, it seems mighty high.
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The article says his base is £250k, not £300k, but even so, it seems mighty high.
Ludicrous?? putting in two transfer requests in three years and getting a raise each time would be beyond ludicrous.
Anyway imo and the opinion of many others here, its best for all if he just left
Lou Macari: "Wayne Rooney's Manchester United future is in his own hands"
Red Devils legend believes the forward will remain at Old Trafford next season, but will have to work hard to reinstate his status as the club's top striker
''I don't know what there is to discuss, speculation at this time of the year is what we expect, but that's not to say that Wayne is going to be leaving Old Trafford. He was probably a little bit unhappy about the amount of times he was taken off last season, but I was at most of the games and it's difficult to say the manager's decision to substitute him was wrong.
''You have to fight to get back to your very best and we all know how good Wayne can be, his Premier League goalscoring record is up there with the best of them and he's guaranteed to score you goals. I think United would want to keep a fit and happy Wayne Rooney in his best condition. But I think that's the big question, is he in his best condition and the right frame of mind and does he want to get back to the form he showed when he first arrived at the club?
''I think the power is with David Moyes now, I don't think he'll be that desperate to keep Rooney if he's not willing to get back into the right condition. Moyes is an experienced manager and knows players have to be focussed on the job and be fully committed. No matter who you are, if you're not in the right frame of mind you're not going to be staying at Old Trafford.
''I think it depends on Moyes and Rooney sitting down and if they do the assurances will have to come from Wayne that he'll get back to his best, otherwise he might continue to be second-best to Van Persie.''
Red Devils legend believes the forward will remain at Old Trafford next season, but will have to work hard to reinstate his status as the club's top striker
''I don't know what there is to discuss, speculation at this time of the year is what we expect, but that's not to say that Wayne is going to be leaving Old Trafford. He was probably a little bit unhappy about the amount of times he was taken off last season, but I was at most of the games and it's difficult to say the manager's decision to substitute him was wrong.
''You have to fight to get back to your very best and we all know how good Wayne can be, his Premier League goalscoring record is up there with the best of them and he's guaranteed to score you goals. I think United would want to keep a fit and happy Wayne Rooney in his best condition. But I think that's the big question, is he in his best condition and the right frame of mind and does he want to get back to the form he showed when he first arrived at the club?
''I think the power is with David Moyes now, I don't think he'll be that desperate to keep Rooney if he's not willing to get back into the right condition. Moyes is an experienced manager and knows players have to be focussed on the job and be fully committed. No matter who you are, if you're not in the right frame of mind you're not going to be staying at Old Trafford.
''I think it depends on Moyes and Rooney sitting down and if they do the assurances will have to come from Wayne that he'll get back to his best, otherwise he might continue to be second-best to Van Persie.''
I don't think he's been mediocre either. I think people tend to exaggerate where Rooney is concerned, at both ends of the spectrum. Last season he was below his own standards, but he still produced in terms of goals and assists, and plenty of those were important goals.
The article in question suggests it won't be an improved contract, but inventive based, which sounds fine with me. I don't for one minute think he's on £300,000 (£250,000 basic) a week anyway, mainly because the press never seem to be able to settle on a set figure, it changes with every article, and this is likely the typical press "pull a figure out of your arse and say that's how much he's on" guess at Rooneys wage.
That's a different matter, though. I've no issue with people disliking his actions and wanting him gone because they don't like the way he's asked to leave before. If that upsets people enough to want to see the back of him, then fair play. Some people just can't forgive and forget, and they're entitled to feel that way. To say he should leave because he's no longer good enough is certainly ludicrous. He's definitely still good enough to play for Manchester United.
Whether he deserves that privilege is another matter.
Fair enough and il admit my dislike for him probably does cloud my judgement a wee bit.
Where did I mention a raise?
The people who are so emotionally involved in the whole thing I find very strange. If he stays fine, if he goes fine. He's just a footballer contemplating moving to another football club, those who feel genuine hatred towards him so much they desperately want one of our best players to leave are a tad fecking weird, in my opinion of course.
If its weird to dislike a player for asking to leave and the reason being, that United managed (at the time) by the greatest manager of all time Sir Alex did not match his ambition, then i guess im a big weirdo
He didn't say that, he said he was concerned at the club's willingness to attract the worlds top players to the club.
He's also praised Ferguson as a person and a manager, and he also signed a new contract immediately afterwards showing he wanted to play here and for Ferguson, so we're obviously picking and choosing what we're going to judge him on if you have a major dislike or even like for him as a person. We could all just stop acting like butthurt teenage girls when it comes to football players, it is a tad embarrassing surely?
I see.
We both of us have said enough to know where the other stands i suspect [more than enough very likely], little need to go over old ground with matters having remained pretty static for weeks.
You still believe Rooney to be deserving of his present salary then, in terms of the burden it represents and status of highest paid player at the club?
There should be no adjustment to reflect his age, recent performances and unprofessional conduct, this request to leave e.t.c.
I know, ludicrous right. Completely ludicrous. So ludicrous it's beyond ludiocracy.
and people wonder why they are wound up by this shit. Someone posted that there had been 10+ different figures in the last two years and it's a testament to the fact that nobody knows what he is on. If you had to ask me I'd say it was 180k. But that's just my opinion. I am not paid to be a charlatan of a journalist for a living.Who cares how well he has played? His contract is up in two years and the club needs to secure him if they want to keep him at the club. What the feck would his performances and season have to do with the new contract??? The club obviously wants to keep him if he'll stay.
If he does stay do the club then confirm the Rooney camp version of the meeting with Fergie? I mean if he stays there will be PR work to do yet again but I think it would be an awkward situation if the club has to basically say Fergie misunderstood what Rooney had meant, Fergie doesn't misunderstand anything, everything he says is for a reason.
I read somewhere (Twitter I think) that he wants the club to apologise for SAF comment about him putting in a request. Have you guys heard this?
What motivation would there be for such a concession and one so contrary to their present stance at that.
Unless the club are stupid when it comes to his new contract or we hear leaks through the media that the club have met Wayne' demands, the onus for PR is on the player.
Not me but other more keen Twitter followers might have.
More chance of getting a tan on Pluto than the brass at United apologising to him i'd hope.
The motivation would be that we don't want one of our main players getting booed by our own supporters constantly and he seems adamant that he didn't ask for a transfer, until the air is cleared on that I don't see how things can move forward, and I doubt he's going to do another "Well I made a mistake.....again" sit-downs on MUTV as no one would buy it this time.
I think Rooney epitomises a player that thinks he's bigger than the club. Demands to know his status in the squad and questions his future. Now he's demanding we apologise to him publicly. The guys becoming too much of a side show.
Going by Fobes' figures that would leave him in receipt of a further £2-3m from bonuses, is that likely?
Seriously? You wouldn't determine a new contract based on a recent season's performances and his conduct during that time, nor the further influenced by what you might extrapolate from such evidence for the player in the future? Now a footballer can make a personal case for the club to have faith in a revival however it would be daft not to consider events over the last year or so.
Moyes has the power, he might not want Rooney anyway, especially if Rooney can't make guarantees about his dedication and fitness.
But, it's in Rooney's hands. Right..
It's a strange one. It's hard to argue with his record for the club, even this season he had a great season statistics wise (assists/goals per minute and what not). The problem is, I don't believe Moyes will ever be able to guarantee Rooney a striking position. I know that Manchester United can make more allowances than Everton in regards to having 2 up front as opposed to an extra man in midfield, but that's how most modern teams do set up these days. And I'm confident that Moyes will put huge emphasis on the midfield, and that he did that at Everton because that's his philosophy rather than the modern game forcing it upon him(and Everton).
If Rooney can't adapt and be happy playing a deeper role (flanks or attacking midfielder) then that could be an issue. And even if he would accept it (he says he won't - but he says a lot), Moyes needs to be confident that he can do a good enough job there that we aren't harming our own teams ability by playing him rather than people who are more natural in these positions.
Personally, I wouldn't like to see Rooney at another club, especially in the Premier League. But I also don't want him to stunt Kagawa's progress by playing Attacking Midfield.
If him leaving means we strengthen (we would HAVE to replace him with a quality player) and we don't force a formation around him, or play him over better players (in respective positions) then I'd prefer that.
Long term, because of his physique I believe that he will need to be looking to accept a deeper position anyway. The past few seasons his good stats have mostly come from his ability to be in the right place at the right time. I believe that he's very intelligent when it comes to Football, he can be very effective and efficient with little effort. Sometimes, I feel like when he seems to be trying and putting the extra effort in, that's when he starts underperforms and starts needlessly giving the ball away or taking a bad first touch.
He's lost that playing without fear that he had as a child. He played with a freedom he's lost. It could be down to his past injuries, it could be down to him falling out of love with the game. Spoilers contain my consideration of Fergie's part to play in this evolution of Rooney - doesn't contribute much to the current state of affairs but for those interested it's there
. I can't help but wonder if Ferguson is partly to blame here. Ferguson is a God and what not (nice thing said, so I can get away with accusing him..). But, I dunno.. As Ronaldo started to really become his own player and reach high standards, once he became considered the best player in the team, the one with the most potential - you couldn't help but feel that he was treated differently from the others. It's quite clear to me that Rooney is ambitious and wanted to be considered the best, and I always felt that Ronaldo was given far extra license to not contribute defensively, and to play with freedom going forward. The Rooney-Ronaldo partnership was lethal, but you felt like Rooney was looking to feed Ronaldo rather than play individually. Although good for the team, it must have been hard for the kid with so much promise, partnered with his personality of craving attention and seeking individual honours (personal opinion), I think it harmed him. I think he went from the kid who plays without fear, with aggresion, who would score screamers or run at opponents and take particular job at taking on highly rated opposition to the kid who plays selfishly, who plays for the team, who works hard and gets goals but isn't what he could have been.
Something stuck in my mind, earlier this year after the Carling Cup game against Chelsea, Ferguson said that he tries to discourage Nani from taking on players - he may have been referring to the fact it was the end of the game - but it definitely hit a chord for me. I've heard Ryan Giggs talk about how they're told they can do pretty much whatever they want in an attacking sense, but then I've also seen players unwilling to run with the ball or take people on - especially in recent years (Valencia, Young, Rooney, Nani - less so than he use to, perhaps what hit his form the most). I think Ferguson moved to a possession based game far more than we use to, and I honestly believe that players are instructed to play safe often and this doesn't suit Rooney. He plays like a robot, and his personality needs to be explosive and free not controlled.
I don't want this to be about Ferguson, or other players willingness (or lack of) to take players on, I'm just giving my thoughts on why he plays how he does now.
Something stuck in my mind, earlier this year after the Carling Cup game against Chelsea, Ferguson said that he tries to discourage Nani from taking on players - he may have been referring to the fact it was the end of the game - but it definitely hit a chord for me. I've heard Ryan Giggs talk about how they're told they can do pretty much whatever they want in an attacking sense, but then I've also seen players unwilling to run with the ball or take people on - especially in recent years (Valencia, Young, Rooney, Nani - less so than he use to, perhaps what hit his form the most). I think Ferguson moved to a possession based game far more than we use to, and I honestly believe that players are instructed to play safe often and this doesn't suit Rooney. He plays like a robot, and his personality needs to be explosive and free not controlled.
I don't want this to be about Ferguson, or other players willingness (or lack of) to take players on, I'm just giving my thoughts on why he plays how he does now.
I'm really quite torn here.
I agree that players should want to play for the club. But players are fickle things, it's not that difficult to understand that they may believe a change of scenery could do them good, that the grass is greener on the other side.
It's not our job to push them away the first time they take an interest in what else is out there, it's our job to try to convince them to stay.
If Ferguson was here, I'd say get rid. Nothing's going to change, so he may aswel leave and get the best out of the rest of his career. But this is a new era, and it's possible that a new manager may be the only change of scenery we need to see a more fit and fearless Rooney.
Mostly, I'm just bored of it all. And I wrote this stuff because I haven't in this post before despite being bored of it.
I just want it over with, that's my main thought, hope. I just want it to be done, finished - whatever the outcome.
Sort of like my life.
It's The People so I'm just going to assume that apology story is nonsense.
It's in the mirror too, not that it makes it more credible, but wouldn't surprise me if its true
Looks like he's staying then.
Not sure if this is fake or not.
Or what Wayne? You'll hand in a transfer request? Wind your neck in Wayne, get a good preseason in and prove why you hunk you're worth starting up front and not being subbed.
In my opinion he should feck off now. He demanded competition and he got competition with RVP. Its no one's fault that Dutch man is a better striker then he is and that Rooney lacks the football brain to play effectively in another position.
Lets get 30-40m out of him and invest it in some real top talent. Ronaldo seems to want to leave and he's ten times the player Rooney is.
Lets get 30-40m out of him and invest it in some real top talent. Ronaldo seems to want to leave and he's ten times the player Rooney is.
He's only a side show because some people are all to keen to have the next piece of twitter nonsense shoved down their throat and to swallow it whole.
You're taking a tabloid story on twitter as gospel that Rooney is 'demanding' an apology and using it as justification to sell him. Sell him by all means but do you actually believe this story? I mean, are you capable of independent thought?
I was going to reply to that too Brightonian, then I saw it was devilish and I thought "what's the point?" No one else agrees with him and he's not worth the discussion.
It's this damn thread. every time it's at the top of the page I know someone's posting bitter rubbish about how shit Rooney's become, and sometimes I can't resist the temptation.
It's one of those posts, you read it first, then you see who posted it and wish you'd saved yourself a few seconds.
Not in a player like Rooney's case. Offering an improvement on a deal to players such as Rafael, Welbeck or Cleverley then of course the performance issue comes into it. Being a senior and crucial part of the squad there is not much really to look at. The club knows he's in his peak and he has plenty to give and has given unbelievable service so I don't see why you'd look back on a few 3/10 games this season and suddenly put away the contracts.
Well, I for one am glad you're nowhere near any decision making processes.
If United want him to stay and Rooney himself wants to stay, then both camps' PR teams will put out a story to downplay the whole saga. It wouldn't be in anyone's interest for Rooney to stay and have him be the target of fans' hostility. I doubt we'll ever really know what the issue is/was.
Why? Who gives a shit if the fans want to piss and moan about im. If he goes on to score 300 for the club and retires to choruses of boo's for the next 10 years then what does it really matter in the end? Fans bitterly moaning and whinging about their own player is taking the piss a bit imo.
In the end should he really have to physically sit down and play up to the fans in some sort of good faith gesture? Is that what football is now?
Yeah, because Rooney is a fantastic player when there's off-field issues isn't he. The fans hating a player isn't good for anybody, so yeah, it does matter a bit.
Whether people get over it is another story.
Supporters in the stadium can make a huge difference.
I think it's sad the football fans seem to have forgotten that.
So some of you are believing a tabloid tale with no quotes that says he's demanding an apology? That's a sort of low you come to expect in this thread. And 300k a week? Okay sure
Rooney's abit of a thickhead, so i blame his agent, and he's supposedly a United fan as well
So some of you are believing a tabloid tale with no quotes that says he's demanding an apology? That's a sort of low you come to expect in this thread. And 300k a week? Okay sure
To be fair, the 'apology' thing isn't that unbelievable...simply because it would (in theory) help with the fans situation. But, of course, the press use the loaded word 'demand' as if Rooney's being a unreasonable diva; typical media. Same sensationalism goes for the ever-changing question of Rooney's real salary figures.
EDIT: The only way I can imagine the club doing this would be at the time of a new contract announcement; then it'd be worded in a bland way like: 'The club accepts that Wayne did not request a transfer blah blah'.
Ahhh, Rooney's not perfect but a poor footballing brain he certainly does not have. So many extremes with Rooney.
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