I think the key to him wanting to leave is Moyes, any other manager and I think he may of stayed. They have past history and it may prove to be too much for Rooney.
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I think the key to him wanting to leave is Moyes, any other manager and I think he may of stayed. They have past history and it may prove to be too much for Rooney.
Perhaps you're right. We'll see soon enough. Rooney, to me, seems like a character who sways a bit: I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up staying after all. He might come to realize that the alternatives to staying aren't all that attractive when everything is said and done.
He did ask to leave before anyone knew Fergie was even retiring. How Moyes affects that now remains unknown.
I honeestly have a feeling that Rooney's commercial upside may feature in the club's decision of whether to let him go or not.
He is the face of the club on a global level, in terms of the playing staff at least. He will need to be replaced on and off the pitch.
He is the face of the club on a global level, in terms of the playing staff at least. He will need to be replaced on and off the pitch.
Moyes will need to find out exactly what has gone on, and what is exactly in Rooney's head first.
For all the press, Fergie comments etc, we still don't know the exact situation.
If it's merely he's pissed at being shunted around position wise, and is annoyed he's not the big man anymore, that can be easily sorted by Moyes.
If it's to try and creep one last big contract out, something can be sorted round that.
If he's really wanting a new challenge or to go, then that'll be established either way.
Heck of a first situation to deal with for Moyes though. We'd certainly need some decent transfer activity if Rooney left.
For all the press, Fergie comments etc, we still don't know the exact situation.
If it's merely he's pissed at being shunted around position wise, and is annoyed he's not the big man anymore, that can be easily sorted by Moyes.
If it's to try and creep one last big contract out, something can be sorted round that.
If he's really wanting a new challenge or to go, then that'll be established either way.
Heck of a first situation to deal with for Moyes though. We'd certainly need some decent transfer activity if Rooney left.
This is true.
I do think SAF would of talked him round again, but Moyes taking over just made his desire to leave more intense.
But we need that anyway, dont we?
How do you know that?
We've no idea what Rooney thinks
All we know is he submitted a transfer request down to his dissatisfaction at being subbed
I think Fergie has just washed his hands of the issue and you'd hope that Rooney will grow up
He shouldn't be given the option of just 'growing up' and everything being rosy again. He's acted the cnut once again and we should be making every effort to get rid. There's a lot of talented players knocking about that can play in his position.
I dont know anything, I am just doing what we all are trying to do, understand it all.
I do think that putting in a transfer request just because of being subbed, is a lame excuse and you are right he does need to grow up.
Why has he acted the cnut? He's made a private request to leave, presumably based on his limited appearances in big games. Why is that being a cnut?
feck this place is shocking sometimes. Fergie said exactly what needed to be said 'he needs to go away and have a think about it.' Because that's what he has to do.
Both times it was leaked to the press that he was angling to leave.
Both times the club haven't announced it, merely confirmed it.
It's easy to call it cynical to think that Rooney's camp were behind the leaks to the press that he wasn't happy but I think it's naive not to think that.
I can't see how he possibly comes back from this. One transfer request is enough but 2 in the space of 3 years is ridiculous it's clear that he doesn't want to be here. Sell him and move on, buy a quality forward who wants to play for the team. Iv said it a few times now but id love for us to sign Isco and play Kagawa in the Rooney role just behind RvP with Isco playing off the left.
I think it's safe to say Wayne Rooney hasn't had his best season. He has looked lazy, and he has looked completely not bothered most of the time. If Fergie sees fit to bench him, then so be it. As Fergie said "Wayne Rooney on top form would not be taken off". Perhaps then Wayne should take a good hard look at himself in the mirror. He should be asking himself why he was benched. He then should be busting his ass to make the manager see different, not sulking and wanting to leave.
Wayne Rooney wanted top players here. Well, he got his wish because we signed two top players in Kagawa and Van Persie. But yet he's still not completely happy. Of course he would prefer to play up top, but he has stated before that he'll play anywhere the manager asks him.
Some people still cannot forget that fiasco that happened a few years back, so it's understandable that they are now saying to just get rid of Rooney. TBH, I don't care if he goes. I stopped caring a long time ago.
Wayne Rooney wanted top players here. Well, he got his wish because we signed two top players in Kagawa and Van Persie. But yet he's still not completely happy. Of course he would prefer to play up top, but he has stated before that he'll play anywhere the manager asks him.
Some people still cannot forget that fiasco that happened a few years back, so it's understandable that they are now saying to just get rid of Rooney. TBH, I don't care if he goes. I stopped caring a long time ago.
I am sure that Rooney knew his camp leaked the transfer news.
I dont know much about how agents work , but would Rooney not have a contract with his agent and if the said agent released stuff that Rooney did not want releasing, would the agent not be in breach of his contract.
When I say the Rooney camp I don't mean behind his back or anything. I just mean that it's likely that Rooney, his agent and team would have set the wheels in motion by talking to a journalist or two.
Rooney blatantly doesn't see anything wrong with the way he conducts himself both on and off the pitch. He doesn't have the capacity for introspective self-evaluation and he doesn't realise his attitude is his problem. He could have been a much better player if he had the discipline and self control of Ronaldo & Messi, which is a shame.
That is arguable yes, more importantly however he's the one you'd want at your club and on stupid money at this moment between the two of them.
Quite right.
Some of the people on here would probably offer him £250k a week and a loyalty bonus in recognition of the awe we should hold him in.
That's what he's already on isn't it?
What exactly is your definition of "sorted" here, to meet his demands?
Not me , I would rather we get rid and buy players that want to play for us and not hold us ransom for more money.
When he does leave it will be thank you for what you have done , now close the door on your way out.
In or around that. Were he to remain at United at his instigation or the club's, such a figure is no longer appropriate [not even close].
No I would hate it, but why keep a player who does not want to play for you, he would only cause unrest.
You have to think what's good for the club.
Alongside fat, unfit, alcoholic and 'dressing room cancer', we can now add "half arsed"... Being one of only 2 players to reach double figures in goals and assists in the league this season, he's achieved this through putting in absolutely no effort on the pitch, he's just been moping around barely running all season... No surprise with all the hangovers he must have from his 3am nights out on the booze we've decided he's been having..
Consequences in that we get to keep one of our best players and our biggest name, oh the horror..
So lets assume that he's kicking up a fuss because he wants to play as a striker and not be shifted around as he is.
How would we accommodate both Rooney and Van Persie as strikers in the same team?
4-4-2 is the obvious choice and we'd need another strong midfielder capable of both breaking up and creating as we'd lack Rooney's craft and leg work if he's to play as a more advanced classic striker.
I'd rather see (and in all seriousness there isn't a hope of Moyes trying it...) a 4-1-2-1-2 with width supplied by the fullbacks.
I think it'd work a treat personally but imagine United without any wingers?! Not a chance!
How would we accommodate both Rooney and Van Persie as strikers in the same team?
4-4-2 is the obvious choice and we'd need another strong midfielder capable of both breaking up and creating as we'd lack Rooney's craft and leg work if he's to play as a more advanced classic striker.
I'd rather see (and in all seriousness there isn't a hope of Moyes trying it...) a 4-1-2-1-2 with width supplied by the fullbacks.
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Rafael - Central - Defender - Evra
DM
Carrick - Cleverley
Kagawa
Van Persie - Rooney
Rafael - Central - Defender - Evra
DM
Carrick - Cleverley
Kagawa
Van Persie - Rooney
I think it'd work a treat personally but imagine United without any wingers?! Not a chance!
do may people see this a chance for moyes to show he wont be fecked around by any player no matter how big. lay down a very clear marker and get rid of arguably the biggest player. i dont know whats going on behind the scenes but in my own opinion, im 100% sick of rooney. ive had threads before defending him and lauding him as our most important player but he's fairly consistently come across as a wanker for about 3 years now. very tired of him and replacing him with bale wouldnt be the end of the world.
It's not even arguable. Hernandez is more likeable than Rooney (and most other players in our squad other than Rafael) but he hasn't had a better season than Rooney. Rooney is on stupid money because he is quite comfortably the better player and has done a lot for the club.
Rooney is best suited for the main striker role if you ask me. His heading, positioning, movement and ability to bang in those predatory chances are his best attributes besides his strength and long range passing.
Yes, he is more clinical than RVP too. Rooney simply doesn't miss those chances close to goal. RVP is brilliant we all know but he does miss more clear cut chances than Rooney these days.
Surely him coming in, seeing Rooney asked for a transfer under previous management weeks ago, not bothering to talk to him, just give him what he wants and lets him leave makes him look far weaker than any other alternative? That's unless you subscribe to the views of the Caf experts who've decided he's not only no longer one of our best players, but actually fairly shit at football, and we should be thankful for another club to take him off our hands.
I really doubt it's as simple as "we'll get Bale in to replace him, not a problem", and we'd still be left with a question mark over whether we actually replace him, you know, with a player who actually plays in his position?
ya it could work either way, quite right. if he comes in, keeps him and rooney returns to top form it would be seen as a huge achievement. i suppose it all dpends on rooneys attitude in a sense, like if he's stroppy and returns from summer unfit AGAIN, id be disappointed if moyes let that happen. however, if they work it out and he returns with the enthusiasm we havent seen for a couple of years then fantastic.
regards replacing him, i think having bale in his natural wide role and kagawa in a natural central role would be fantastic, rather than being out wide to accomodate an inconsistent rooney
I'm one of the few on here who doesn't dislike Rooney, and I actually think he's our best player. But I can't agree with that - he's an excellent finisher but RVP's a better one.
Rooney has been instrumental in helping us win the league this year. Just because he wants to leave doesn't mean he has been shite for us the whole season. That is just utterly bitter.
RVP has the better technique and close control and can score insance volleys and score from crazy angles but he does miss loads of chances. In fact RVP's missed chances against Madrid proved very very costly. Rooney over the years in the knockout rounds has been clinical to say the least.
What's lost in Rooney's latest career exploits is his deadliness in front of goal. If he get's a chance in the box, it's in. But he doesn't glide past players or have Iniesta like control. That's what people drool over these days.
He missed chances against Madrid but he doesn't miss many good chances.
I think that would be awesome and lets face it, Raf and Evra give us loads of width anyway and both Rooney and RvP are not afraid to run the channels when needed.
RVP has missed many good chances this season actually and Rooney is the superior finisher for me. But RVP makes it up in other areas like playing with his back to goal something which Rooney is quite at shite at
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