It's the right thing to say. Fergie is in charge of him for the next 36 hours and then he's done with Rooney. No need to say anything definitive, leave it up to Moyes.
Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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For reasons too silly to bear scrutiny, I really think Rooney's gone.
Likewise Steve.
If Rooney wants to opt for that method of negotiation then no doubt he'll be gone, Moyes will do the obvious and assure him of his importance to the team and plans for the season ahead, that's pretty much all he can do. The rest is up to Rooney himself.
If Rooney wants to opt for that method of negotiation then no doubt he'll be gone, Moyes will do the obvious and assure him of his importance to the team and plans for the season ahead, that's pretty much all he can do. The rest is up to Rooney himself.
I have more of a feeling too, but really where is his most likely destination? I really can't see us selling to our rivals, that just doesn't make sense at all. Bayern have said they don't want him, and I don't know PSGs situation. Let's just see what Moyes has to say about all of this.
How would it make him a pushover to tell a player he wants to keep him? He's not even asked to leave under his tenure... You were all lauding Fergie's "masterclass" in 2010 in getting Rooney to stay.
Right now I'd predict he'll tell Rooney he wants him here next season and will be play a major role and he'll sign a new contract, but it could go either way.
Moyes first big test. Rooney has been yanked around like a puppet by his agent.
I hope he stays...but it does look like the end.
I hope he stays...but it does look like the end.
It's not too hard to think of the names Messi and Ronaldo.
But I do agree with your point, buckooo. Rooney is an outstanding all-around footballer, happily and effectively digging in defensively as well as providing that final ball and, of course, scoring the occasional goal. There aren't many on the globe at this time with his skill set.
Yet for all his greatness, there is the question of his fitness and commitment to the club. We dealt with this shit last season (or was it the previous season) during that crazy October week. He's in and out of form much too often. And he just doesn't look as fit as he should be. I don't think it's reached the point of him becoming a cancer in the dressing room, but there does come a point where his negatives outweight the positives. I don't know when we reach that point. This is an issue for Moyes, quite obviously, to deal with first thing. I hope he can get Roo's head back on straight, but if he can't, then so fukking be it. Sell him to PSG to replace Goldenballs Beckham and let them deal with his moodiness. If winning multiple trophies and being a perennial short-list candidate to win the CL while being one of the top paid footballers on the planet while we all look the other way when he fecks grannies, then screw him.
Does it? Rooney could well change his mind now albeit after a fashion but the club may view his commitment as being so transient that it is irrelevant. Moyes could have particular transfer targets that are only possible if Rooney is given the elbow.
Moyes will also need t to talk to people like Phelan and Giggs to discover what if any undercurrents exist within the squad as a result of this.
2010 was a huge shock: Our best player said we lacked ambition, and was in some great form when he asked to leave if I remember correctly. Fergie offered him a deal which outright made him our highest earner to match both his performances and his shirt sales.
Fast forward to this year, and Rooney has had a season below his usual standards, has been subbed off more regularly than usual, and has been playing second fiddle to our now top striker, which is ironic because he moaned a couple of years ago about the quality of our signings. If Moyes just goes and offers him a bumper contract with more money, is that not being a pushover? I'm not saying that will happen, but if Rooney waits for him to come over and tries to hold him for ransom, then I think we will see if Moyes will be a pushover or not.
I will have a lot of respect for Moyes if he gets rid of this overpaid and unprofessional dressing room cancer. Fergie should have let him go the first time around.
I don't see Moyes letting him go without a fight simply because of how good he is. There's already immense pressure on the man's shoulders without the United squad being weakened significantly on day one and you only need to look at Rooney's contribution every season to see how important he is.
It'd take huge confidence for Moyes to come in and get rid, we'd need to have some top talents in our sights to maintain our current quality without Rooney - I think our team will really lack a bit of cutting edge and star quality if we lose Rooney and Nani.
Is Rooney £60-70m worth of player in the longer term? That is the commitment he is asking of the club. Also that maybe we have to sell more dedicated but now disgruntled team mates in the near future.
And you know what, next time a player isn't being picked even though out of form or in poor physical shape he can just trot along and ask to leave eh.
And you know what, next time a player isn't being picked even though out of form or in poor physical shape he can just trot along and ask to leave eh.
Real Madrid will go for him. Florentino only knows one way to deal with trouble at RM, and that's making 4-5 expensive signings.
Not only he is now fat, an alcoholic, and unfit, but he's now a "dressing room cancer"... Isn't that a phrase that is usually reserved for players who are a disruptive influence on the squad and who therefore hinders the chance of success for the team? I'd hardly think that applies to Wayne given he's clearly one of the most popular members of the squad amongst the lads, and has been here nearly a decade in a supremely successful period for the club.. But hey, he privately asked the manager to leave, that must mean he's unsettling the dressing room in our league winning season, absolutely nothing to do with butthurt football fans who act hysterically when a player wants to leave their club.
And Moyes doesn't have control over how much Rooney gets paid. He's asked to leave under previous management, he comes in, tell him he wants him here next season and he'll play a big part, Rooney decides he wants to stay.. How one earth that could make him a pushover, people are just so desperate to see him leave at this point they'll come up with any old shit to force him out, including pressuring Moyes into making a decision based on him looking 'tough'.
Yes, he owes us everything because he had sex 10 years ago, and we let him get away with it.
He was in shit form at the time in 2010.
And Moyes doesn't have control over how much Rooney gets paid. He's asked to leave under previous management, he comes in, tell him he wants him here next season and he'll play a big part, Rooney decides he wants to stay.. How one earth that could make him a pushover, people are just so desperate to see him leave at this point they'll come up with any old shit to force him out, including pressuring Moyes into making a decision based on him looking 'tough'.
Yes, he owes us everything because he had sex 10 years ago, and we let him get away with it.Yeah. I really don't care what footballers do in their private life, as long as it's not a crime or degrading their football performance on the pitch. They can shag anyone they want, take pictures of any part of their body, wear ridiculous outfit, or being a media whore, etc. doesn't concern me a bit.
Whoever make them as their idols or a moral compass in life outside football, are just fools.
Whoever make them as their idols or a moral compass in life outside football, are just fools.
As harsh as this is, I agree. To be fair to the lad he has given us 8 years of incredible service but he is now a piss taker. Get rid.
I have always felt the same.
Let me describe a scenario for you.
Player H has had a very good season however been rotated to the manager's preference despite the form of others making a case for he to play. His United career is free of scandal both on and off the pitch, he appear to be a dedicated pro and earns a middling salary at the club.
Player R has had a stuttering campaign due to injury and his own poor form/fitness, when the latter arose there were occasions where team mates producing better and more consistent football either started or replaced him. Even though the manager had just cause in most if not all instances the player apparently responds to this by seeking to leave the club for the second time [feeling slighted or so puffed up in his conceit that he should be considered ahead of the rest]. Obtained through controversial and provocative means this player earns more money than any other in the dressing room.
Let's say that R secures a new deal on at least equal terms and possibly even assurances regarding his deployment next season, do you seriously think that that would carry no consequences whatsoever?
People are so easy to judge despite not knowing anything. And then on one hand want a player out because of lack of loyalty and demand Valencia sold because 'he is so shit' after having one bad season.
Like that aliens meme - "fans"
Like that aliens meme - "fans"
Are the people questioning Rooney and those demanding Valencia be sold the same?
He has asked to leave twice in 3 years. I have proofs. I know something.
He has asked to leave twice in 3 years. I have proofs. I know something.
Yeah, but do you know what his reasons are? How does one know he is an ungrateful twat? Unprofessional? Money obsessed? Its ridiculous what people can say without knowing feckall
Unfortunately Moyes will probably want to keep him simply to preserve some stability as he takes over. Although he can always ship the fat cnut out a few years down the line 
"I'm no longer interested in that". Somehow that feels cutting.
He was in poor form, which SAF described as being due to a niggling injury, not fully fit. It was when Rooney denied that he was injured that the speculation he'd asked for a transfer escalated. After he signed his new contract we sent him to Nike fat camp, and he helped us win the League.
I don't know why he would want to leave now. I know it was always said that Colleen wanted to stay close to her sister (who sadly died a few months ago). Maybe they're both ready for a change of scenery and it's not just about Rooney having some problem with United or wanting more cash.
And of course if it is about needing to be a guaranteed starter in a position of his choice, then he will need to move on.
The key term in my post was we could get
I can't think of anyone - kagawa is a nice player who plays in the 10 spot but he's not as explosive or effective as Rooney, Lewandowski/Falcao are more number 9's
Rooney is quite unique - he might not head like Carroll, pass like Scholes, finish like Falcao or have tricks like Ronaldo but he does everything very very well
Unfortunately Moyes will probably want to keep him simply to preserve some stability as he takes over. Although he can always ship the fat cnut out a few years down the line
There is no point keeping a player, if he is hell bent on going, all it will do is cause unrest in the dressing room.
My feeling is that he has played his last match for United and once the transfer window opens , the first team to offer £30-35mil and he will be off. I dont think there is many teams that will want him, maybe PSG.
This latest transfer request has left a massive sour taste,the timing was all wrong, saying he did not feel like playing in SAF last home match,was just showing huge disrespect to SAF, the fans and the club.
It's been a while since we seen the explosive Wayne Rooney. As I've said before, he's looked too half-arsed this season. Play Kagawa in that position just behind the striker, and watch the lad go.
Agreed!
He is playing it down obviously. I doubt he doesnt care
And I doubt he's going to leave Moyes to sort out the shit on his own.
The problem is with Rooney what he does in his private life DOES have an effect on his performance, every time he has been involved in some off field dram it coincides with a drop in form, he is too mentally weak to seperate private and professional.
Why not, SAF is not the manager any more, well he wont be soon. When he came has our new manager he would not of wanted the old manager interfering, so I think he will offer the same courtesy to Moyes.
He will offer advise of that I am sure, but will leave Moyes and Rooney to sort it out themselves.
Doubt that too. Put it like this: If SAF wants Rooney out - he's gone. But the reality is, I would speculate, that SAF doesn't care all that much either way: He will now leave it to Moyes. But if Moyes wants Rooney, and has to engage in some kind of negotiation with the lad, then I'm sure SAF will do what he can to help out - perhaps have a private chat with Rooney, who knows.
None of 'em will bend over for Rooney, though, that's obvious. If he's wanted at the club they'll talk to him and try to convince him he's better off staying. But they won't offer him any sweeteners - it'll be a matter of making him realize what his best option is.
Don't agree with that at all.
If Moyes want's him to stay and thinks he is worth the effort to make him stick around then that is what will happen. Anything other than that and everything Ferguson has said about supporting the new manager is bollocks and I don't believe he's the sort to go back on his word on things like this.
Rooney was gone the moment Sir Alex told the media that he had put in a transfer request and that United had rejected it. If United wanted to keep him, they would not have revealed the transfer request.
Like we didn't reveal it last time and like he didn't stay that time either?
Maybe. It's all academic, though. I doubt very much SAF feels strongly about the Rooney issue either way. He's probably more than comfortable just letting Moyes handle it.
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