Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances

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Even Welbeck's international record can't be that bad.

5 in 16 according to wiki. I reckon he will go on to become the scorer of great goals rather than a great goalscorer. Will improve his finishing anyway. That's the only thing he needs to be labeled as top class striker.
 
Rooney is definitely better as an out and out forward for me, his best role by far.

He's best for me when he's on the team-sheet as an out and out striker, but still does his dropping back, number 10 thing a bit. In comparison to the world's top number 10s, he's not that special. It's the fact that he is able to be such an influential playmaker whilst doing his job as a striker that makes him exceptional.

That's why he and RVP are so dangerous together, I think. One second they're an old-fashioned front two, both proper strikers. The next, they're Barcelona-esque false forwards, playing it out of the midfield with little one-twos and leaving the CBs no-one to mark. Both very versatile and very elusive.
 
Rooney is probably the player I trust the most to bury a one-on-one. Chicharito, Welbeck and RVP seem to be less clinical in this department. (Well, one of them isn't even debatable)

Hernandez for me. Comfortably too.
 
He's best for me when he's on the team-sheet as an out and out striker, but still does his dropping back, number 10 thing a bit. In comparison to the world's top number 10s, he's not that special. It's the fact that he is able to be such an influential playmaker whilst doing his job as a striker that makes him exceptional.

That's why he and RVP are so dangerous together, I think. One second they're an old-fashioned front two, both proper strikers. The next, they're Barcelona-esque false forwards, playing it out of the midfield with little one-twos and leaving the CBs no-one to mark. Both very versatile and very elusive.

This summarises it very well. The fact that Rooney does have playmaking qualities adds a great string to his bow as a striker.

But the best #10s are clearly better in that role I believe. This debate was done to death when we were linked to Sneijder there was 'well why, when we have Rooney who is much better'. The thing is, because of his goal threat, Rooney may be a better option, but as a pure creative force, not a chance.
 
Criminal that most of us don't get behind him. And it's even crazier considering RVP has missed chance after chance while Rooney has been scoring for fun.

I prefer to get behind our best players regardless of how their PR and agents deal with contracts.
 
Not going to get into the whole PR and agents debate but I honestly think he's better off at finishing these "easy" chances in the box than RvP is. Rooney has become really clinical and just doesn't miss the sort of chances the Dutchman has made a habit of missing. For a chance like the one at the end of the match today, I'd be more comfortable if Rooney were on the end of it than RvP.
 
Still our best player, glad we have him RVP and Vidic the 3 only genuine world class players we have.
 
Shame he couldn't play - he's scored in the last two v Sunderland and got some goals away for England so thought he would have scored today

It's alright, he's going to crush some dreams at Stamford Bridge in about 33 hours.
 
Not going to get into the whole PR and agents debate but I honestly think he's better off at finishing these "easy" chances in the box than RvP is. Rooney has become really clinical and just doesn't miss the sort of chances the Dutchman has made a habit of missing. For a chance like the one at the end of the match today, I'd be more comfortable if Rooney were on the end of it than RvP.

Nah that pass was severely under hit. The defender was already onto him by the time the ball reached him. Someone like Messi would've probably taken a few more touches and slotted it away but that's a different matter altogether.
 
Not going to get into the whole PR and agents debate but I honestly think he's better off at finishing these "easy" chances in the box than RvP is. Rooney has become really clinical and just doesn't miss the sort of chances the Dutchman has made a habit of missing. For a chance like the one at the end of the match today, I'd be more comfortable if Rooney were on the end of it than RvP.

Well this season Rooney hasn't the opportunity to miss these 'easy' oppportunities :angel:
 
Not going to get into the whole PR and agents debate but I honestly think he's better off at finishing these "easy" chances in the box than RvP is. Rooney has become really clinical and just doesn't miss the sort of chances the Dutchman has made a habit of missing. For a chance like the one at the end of the match today, I'd be more comfortable if Rooney were on the end of it than RvP.

Habit? Really? He missed a sitter against real. Can't think of many other absolute sitters. He's missed some good chances like pretty much every striker does. I think he can finish better than he has of late but you make him sound like Torres missing sitters consistently. Rvn missed easy chances too.
 
Not just in the last 10 games or so. Even back when he was in great goal scoring form, he'd miss a lot of easy chances in a lot of games and I genuinely think those are chances Rooney and Hernandez would score.

Just off the top off my head right now I remember bad misses vs Spurs, Newcastle and Arsenal but there were many more where you just thought, "Wow, how did RvP miss that?!"
 
No Rooney again? It's strange how he keeps getting dropped recently.

Perhaps the fall out stories have more credit than we realised?.
 
Didn't SAF say on Saturday that we have picked up 2-3 knocks/injuries? Must be Rooney, Evans and Rafael surely. Very strange he isn't involved in both games (especially games so close together) if he isn't injured. Can't wait for new leaving stories coming up next week :rolleyes:
 
Maybe he's still searching for Easter eggs in his garden.
 
Picked up a groin injury during the Internationals.
 
We'll do fine without him. The Madrid game showed that even with Rooney available, Welbeck is a good enough big game player to displace him. He can certainly fill in for him while he's injured.

Hernandez is there for the goals, so Danny can focus on what he does best - linking up the play, giving Chelsea something to worry about with those mazy runs, and working hard off the ball to win it back high up the pitch.
 
We'll do fine without him. The Madrid game showed that even with Rooney available, Welbeck is a good enough big game player to displace him. He can certainly fill in for him while he's injured.

Hernandez is there for the goals, so Danny can focus on what he does best - linking up the play, giving Chelsea something to worry about with those mazy runs, and working hard off the ball to win it back high up the pitch.
No Rooney with Van Persie playing is completely different to no Rooney without. Especially without Kagawa either. Hernandez will be feeding off scraps.

Fergie says Rooney should be ok for the derby next week.
 
no Rooney or VP doesn't make great reading.

But have to have faith in the boys!
 
No Rooney with Van Persie playing is completely different to no Rooney without. Especially without Kagawa either. Hernandez will be feeding off scraps.

Fergie says Rooney should be ok for the derby next week.

It's a risk. Based on his comments earlier, it sounds like RVP just can't really do two games so close together any more.

I'm happy to trust Hernandez, who always seems to score against Chelsea, and Welbeck who showed how good a big game player he is in both legs against Madrid. Chelsea's defence is nothing special. It's how our defence does against their 'three musketeers' that will dictate how we play against them.
 
We'll do fine without him. The Madrid game showed that even with Rooney available, Welbeck is a good enough big game player to displace him. He can certainly fill in for him while he's injured.

Hernandez is there for the goals, so Danny can focus on what he does best - linking up the play, giving Chelsea something to worry about with those mazy runs, and working hard off the ball to win it back high up the pitch.

So far the Welbeck-Hernández partnership has been really poor. Then again that's come against the weak sides and they've shown they're good big game players.
 
I'm just happy that Chicha & Danny are getting a game. The league is most important to me, tbh.
 
So far the Welbeck-Hernández partnership has been really poor. Then again that's come against the weak sides and they've shown they're good big game players.

That is true, I suppose. But they've hardly had loads of opportunities together, and the ones they have had have often been in weak teams (for cup matches, CL group games etc) or with both out of position (I particularly remember a few with them on either side of Rooney.)

Anyway, I just get the feeling Fergie didn't have a huge amount of choice. Hernandez over a tired, sore RVP seems the right decision, and Rooney's injured. The only thing I might have done differently is drop Valencia for Kagawa (swapping him and Nani to their correct sides obviously), so that Kagawa could help Welbeck with the creative role. After all, Stamford Bridge doesn't suit traditional wide players, and Kagawa's pressing work-rate would probably have made life easier for Carrick and Cleverley in the middle too.
 
The league is wrapped up though. I'd rather win the FA Cup and the league by 9 points than not win the cup and win the league by 18.
 
Very disappointed to see him not start and to hear about the injury. He's been getting goals recently.
 
I don't understand why are some doubting he is injured. Of course he is injured, we have a lot of tired players starting, I'm sure Fergie would play him in this game even if he got in fight with him yesterday(and he didn't).
 
SAF states he picked up a strain for England and he tried it the other day but he's not 100% so no point risking it and putting him out for a few weeks.
 
So far the Welbeck-Hernández partnership has been really poor. Then again that's come against the weak sides and they've shown they're good big game players.

Aye, mentioned that to my dad. I don't have much confidence in them when starting with each other. They both seem to need either Rooney or RVP. Nice to see Welbeck up top rather than shunted wide though.
 
Rumours circulating on the net that United have dropped Rooney because of fears he could have potentially failed a drugs test today...
 
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