Wayne Rooney | 2012-14 Performances
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Why is Rooney being questioned? If any player is to be questioned, it is van Persie after two terribly underwhelming performances against Real Madrid.
Rooney has 14 goals in 33 Champions League knockout stage matches. van Persie has 5 in 16. It is clear Ferguson dropped the wrong forward, especially considering van Persie's recent poor form. Although van Persie has undoubtedly been an excellent signing so far, for all the hype about him, Rooney's 11 goals and 9 assists in 1500 minutes in the Premier League this season is a more productive rate of contribution than van Persie's 19 goals and 12 assists in 2223 minutes. This is especially true considering Rooney has largely been played either in a very deep lying forward role or out wide. van Persie has always played as the main centre forward.
And those who still hold ill feelings toward Rooney for the contract situation of 2010 are likely quite hypocritcal. Rooney did not handle the situation well, and was poorly advised, but he simply wanted a contract that matched his importance to the club. van Persie, a legendary figure at Arsenal, did actually force a move to a rival. Of course we are happy about that, but it's quite amusing that people see nothing but good in van Persie when he is the one who actually betrayed the fans of a football club. Rooney has been an incredible servant to Manchester United for nearly 9 years, and is likely to become the club's all time leading scorer, and people still question his worth and commitment to the club. A baffling situation.
Rooney has 14 goals in 33 Champions League knockout stage matches. van Persie has 5 in 16. It is clear Ferguson dropped the wrong forward, especially considering van Persie's recent poor form. Although van Persie has undoubtedly been an excellent signing so far, for all the hype about him, Rooney's 11 goals and 9 assists in 1500 minutes in the Premier League this season is a more productive rate of contribution than van Persie's 19 goals and 12 assists in 2223 minutes. This is especially true considering Rooney has largely been played either in a very deep lying forward role or out wide. van Persie has always played as the main centre forward.
And those who still hold ill feelings toward Rooney for the contract situation of 2010 are likely quite hypocritcal. Rooney did not handle the situation well, and was poorly advised, but he simply wanted a contract that matched his importance to the club. van Persie, a legendary figure at Arsenal, did actually force a move to a rival. Of course we are happy about that, but it's quite amusing that people see nothing but good in van Persie when he is the one who actually betrayed the fans of a football club. Rooney has been an incredible servant to Manchester United for nearly 9 years, and is likely to become the club's all time leading scorer, and people still question his worth and commitment to the club. A baffling situation.
Interesting to see how Rooney responds to being dropped for the biggest game of the year, take it on the chin and work hard to make sure it never happens again and some of those that still haven't forgiven him for the contract saga may start to change thier tune?
That's not hypocritical at all, hypocritical would be telling Arsenal fans they shouldn't be mad at RvP for leaving.
BOOM, statisticised bitchez!
I imagine it will be that long overdue boot up the arse he needed.
Here here. Or hear hear. Or possibly hear here.
Why do you think he deserves this boot up his arse? You not happy with his contribution this season?
We should sell him just for the spelling in that hashtag
He hasn't tweeted anything.
Isn't that an old tweet? there's nothing regarding this story on his Twitter at the moment.
I haven't been totally happy with his contribution for a number of seasons to be honest, but let's not retread old ground again.
He's not going anywhere anyway.
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Oh I'm sorry, you're right, it was a retweet by Redmancunia, I posted too quickly!
Oh and you're wrong. He tweeted that he got Sons of Anarchy season 5. Is that the behaviour of someone that wants to leave?
More seriously, I doubt there's any truth to all the rumours, like many on here, I just think it's an easy story to write given the circumstances, but I think it was just a tactical decision (I believe it was a mistake, I would've used Rooney who is in better form than RvP at the moment, but it wasn't my mistake to make).
Because atleast for the past two months all you come into this thread is to
1. Slag wayne off irrespective of his performances
2. Go on with " Stats are everything
" argument of yours which to be honest makes little sense. It really isn't like you add anything valuable to the discussion anyways, I know what you're going to write when I just see a post with Zen86 on it. We get it, you hate the fecker, but honestly mate, it gets fecking tedious to read it again and again and again.
Yeah I cant be bothered getting into all that again but if you haven't been happy with Rooney, who has easily been one of our best players then Id hate to see your opinion on the rest of the squad.
So let's unwind a little, you want us to vilify Van Persie for forcing a move to United....
Van Persie's knockout record stage record isn't actually that relevant considering he played for Arsenal, and they are shite. And I'm not sure what the "scored/assisted X amount of goals in X minutes" is supposed to mean, since all it shows is that Van Persie has been far more productive than Rooney this season. But then, the problem with Rooney this year hasn't actually been his goalscoring, it's been the overall performances. Against Norwich, he was largely rubbish but then he assisted two goals and scored the fourth.
And that's why SAF left him out. Rooney's goalscoring this season hasn't been consistent enough for him to warrant a place in the team on Tuesday regardless of fitness and overall form. Not to mention SAF also had a tactical setup for that particular game that didn't involve Rooney.
I'm also not sure I would agree with your argument that Van Persie's form is poor. His all round game is still quite good, insofar as he's doing everything else right but is just going through a goal drought at the moment.
I dont see why the two have to be mutually exclusive things? It is perfectly possible to dislike Rooney and yet want him to do well for us and be able to recognise what he brings to the team.
What two have to be mutually exclusive?
All I asked is wether or not a positive response from Rooney to being dropped will earn him a few extra redemption points with those that still haven't forgiven him?
Rooney fanboi being defensive about Rooney.
There's no way Rooney has been anywhere near as good as Rvp this season. So I'm not sure what you're getting at with those stats. Also, Rvp plays in the "main" forward role because he is the best forward we have. If Rooney was, then he'd play there. Instead he got left out for our biggest game of the season, which proved the correct decision because welbeck who replaced Rooney did a fantastic job. Also, van Persie was very good in th first leg and Rooney was terrible so fergie had to take that into account as well.
And finally, the comparison of rooneys antics a few seasons back to Rvp leaving arsenal is again just bizarre. Rooney is already at a club challenging for all the big honours and usually winning one every other year, which is what Rvp left arsenal for. It's for me the most understandable and logical reason to leave a club. Pretty sure he'd have stayed if arsenal were capable of challenging.
Because atleast for the past two months all you come into this thread is to
1. Slag wayne off irrespective of his performances
2. Go on with " Stats are everything
It really isn't like you add anything valuable to the discussion anyways, I know what you're going to write when I just see a post with Zen86 on it. We get it, you hate the fecker, but honestly mate, it gets fecking tedious to read it again and again and again.
I can see this is an emotional time for you, prayers be with you
I'm not emotional or anything and I apologize as I didn't mean for my post to be a personal go at you. Even with Sparky Hughes who is probably Rooney's biggest critique on here still ADDS to discussion when he's had a good game or bad. I don't quite get the motive behind your posts in this thread is all. Wierd.I know and agree that Welbs played a blinder in the second leg but surely your logic is flawed amol? Just because Welbeck did an amazing job doesn't imply it was the right decision to leave Rooney on the bench. It was a decision that worked well and you don't know for sure that Rooney wouldn't have done an equally good job if he started having scored 1 and assisted two in his previous game.
Van Persie was excellent in the first leg but also missed two sitters. Don't let that get in your way amol. Speaking of fanbois
EDIT: Have school now. Laters.
I agree with johnmufc to some extent. I would have played Rooney over RVP against Madrid personally. RVP is out of form whereas Rooney was superb in his last match v Norwich. I would have played Rooney over any of our other players bar the back 6 personally.
Jesus, did people actually watch that match?
Rooney is definitely in better form than RvP and I'd have have played the former too but then I'm clearly a Rooney "fanboy".
Oh and this thread would have been full of even more abuse and sell him chants if Rooney was playing the way RvP has been the past 7 games or so. But then RvP is the shiny new toy so I guess he's exempt from criticism Rooney style.
Oh and this thread would have been full of even more abuse and sell him chants if Rooney was playing the way RvP has been the past 7 games or so. But then RvP is the shiny new toy so I guess he's exempt from criticism Rooney style.
Yeah, but there's not really any other way of Fergie's choice to be vindicated than for it to work. There are always counterfactuals... if we'd dropped RVP and played Bebe we might have won 8-0.
Don't get me wrong, I would have started Wayne, and if we played the game again tonight I'd start him tonight. I'd start him in any big game because aside from his talents he's also our talisman. But at the same time I can't criticise a selection that worked, we had Madrid right where we wanted them until the card.
Oh I don't hate him, people just get far too defensive over any kind of criticism aimed at Rooney. Plus the reaction on here since the RM game has been hilarious.
Yup. The Welbeck over Rooney selection was working fine. RvP over Rooney is the only debatable decision of the night and I'd have gone with Rooney but then RvP has done well in big games this year so it was a hard choice.
He's looking in the direction of Madrid throughout that GIF. It's a done deal guys
You can't say the media are full of shit then jump to a bunch of fabricated conclusions yourself. You have no idea how relations are, why he was on the bench or if SAF has moved on from Rooney questioning the club.
Fergie makes a tactical decision to leave Rooney out...and we were winning the game until the corrupt ref's decision and suddenly Rooney is leaving?
There was a good piece in the DT today about the high-tech condition/fitness testing they do at Carrington. According to Coleen Rooney's Twitter account, she and Wayne and others including Darren Gibson were out with JLS on Saturday night. What if they picked something up on Wayne's fitness just as they did at Christmas that time? Maybe that's why he was not selected so all this paper talk is just that - paper talk.
Fergie makes a tactical decision to leave Rooney out...and we were winning the game until the corrupt ref's decision and suddenly Rooney is leaving?
Nope. More like Rooney's private life interferes with his game and causes him to miss important league games, then he and his agent act like cnuts, then he reportedly shows up unfit for pre season, Ferguson signs 2 more top quality attackers and then leaves him out of the seasons biggest game. Nothing "sudden" about these rumours.
My two cents worth:
A lot of our fans are always saying that no player is ever bigger than the club, or should ever be undroppable at United. I agree with this, and because of that I think far too much is being made of this.
Lets be honest, Ferguson and co know far more about tactics and conditioning than any of us ever will. We were playing superbly for the first hour, and whatever set-up they had envisaged for this was clearly working. I'm a big Rooney fan, and personally I feel that he could have replaced any one of our front four and performed at least as well on the night, but we aren't paid to make these decisions, and Ferguson got it right.
Regarding Rooney's temperament, I think that Ferguson realises by now that he might be on those players that needs a reminder every now and again of what they represent here. With Wayne, it usually occurs after an incident. Perhaps this time, given the circumstances, it might simply be some pre-emptive, clever man-management.
Unless there is a major red flag that we aren't aware of, we'd be crazy to let Rooney go.
A lot of our fans are always saying that no player is ever bigger than the club, or should ever be undroppable at United. I agree with this, and because of that I think far too much is being made of this.
Lets be honest, Ferguson and co know far more about tactics and conditioning than any of us ever will. We were playing superbly for the first hour, and whatever set-up they had envisaged for this was clearly working. I'm a big Rooney fan, and personally I feel that he could have replaced any one of our front four and performed at least as well on the night, but we aren't paid to make these decisions, and Ferguson got it right.
Regarding Rooney's temperament, I think that Ferguson realises by now that he might be on those players that needs a reminder every now and again of what they represent here. With Wayne, it usually occurs after an incident. Perhaps this time, given the circumstances, it might simply be some pre-emptive, clever man-management.
Unless there is a major red flag that we aren't aware of, we'd be crazy to let Rooney go.
Of course the logic isn't flawed. Rooney may or may not have been poor/good had he played but welbeck is clearly the fantastic at closing down space. He's the best striker we have at that, and THAT was a major reason why we looked so much better than madrid till the red, and looked on course to dumping them out of the competition. So yes, it was clearly the correct decision for which fergie has provided a very valid reason which is hard to argue against.
Van Persie was excellent in the first leg but also missed two sitters. Don't let that get in your way amol. Speaking of fanbois
Get in the way of what exactly ? He missed a great chance but at least he contributed in a big way to the way we played and was our main outlet to starting attacks and unsettling madrids centre backs. Rooney was pretty much a non entity and didnt even do the defensive duty all that well. Not sure where the argument there is.
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