Who is trying to shift blame.
I couldn't care less how well Rooney plays for England.
He is a great player for United, that is all that counts for me.
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Who is trying to shift blame.
I couldn't care less how well Rooney plays for England.
He is a great player for United, that is all that counts for me.
So your definition of 'great player' is 'great to watch' ?
We just have different yardsticks for great. Someone is a great player based on what he has achieved and performance over the years. From our current starting XI, Giggs and Scholes are great players. Ronaldo and Rio are getting there because they have been the best players in the world for a couple of years in their positions. They have performed for both club and country.
Its ridiculous to say great player for United but average for England. A player is either great or he isnt.
i aint arguing that he's great or not. the statement was great strikers need to play in great teams...which is retarded. He was essentially arguing that rooney is poor for england because of the team... when infact rooney is part of the problem for them, as much as anyone else.
Depends on your definition on great. When I was using great, I meant Rooney is a fantastic footballer which he is. Obviously he hasn't become a footballing great like Giggs or scholes.
Kanoute is better apparently, despite being shit at West Ham.
Instant Karma, are you Mithun in disguise?
He played 41 matches and scored 14 goals. Remember how he performed in Euro 2004.
remember how he's performed since??
Great goal......
if you wanna analyse it though rooney's been lucky not to be disposesed twice. shocking defending...and the ball into ruud was for a header..ruud made it into something else. (playing devils advocate).
Was that goal meant to be like "end of thread" cos i can think about 10 id pick ahead of that.
Was John Barnes a great player?
That goal was meant to sum up the non scoring side of Wayne Rooney. The goal showcased every other likeable attribute the boy has, workrate,determination,strength,skill,technique,vision, pace and acceleration. When all channelled together, that beauty was born. I personally couldn't have asked for anything more from any player.
You will, however, notice that the clip did include a certain Rutgerus and as such is aged. That's my whole point, the boy did become top,top class (world class if you may) at the time. A similar thing applied to Ronaldinho. More comforting,however, is that being world class is actually based on class rather than form, afterall form is........ and class.......
Needless to say, it pains me when I see Rooney struggle for form like he has done this season BUT deep down, clips like these reassure me that the boy WILL come good, afterall he is only 22.
rooney is such a talent. has great balance, vision, desire, determination, strength, finishing and great team-work. but he has many weaknesses. his first touch can be really awful, for example. but he's only 22. he'll peak at 25-27, only then you can judge if he's really world class.
That's just the thing - he has NOT got many weaknesses at all.
His touch is usually superb, but like all players, when he is struggling and anxious to perform well, the touch is one of the things that first goes awol.
Why shouldn't he.
Because there should be a minimum IQ level required to be allowed to support the great Manchester United FC
Why shouldn't he.
Sorry, but have you bothered to read this thread?
I was being sarcastic towards the prat.
Mithun and Instant Karma are known Rooney haters, infact Instant Karma hates English players in general, probably hates English people but supports an English team very strange poster. Rooney is a great player anyone can see that, just a few weeks agao he came on at Villa and changed the game, infact I don't think his forms been too bad at all, he's always massivley involved in the game creating chances for himself and others, sure his finishing has been a little off but we have to remember his season has been very stop start and he is a playing in a newish role for him.
Bringing up his England form is incredible stupid, firstly England have struggled as a team for the last few years and Rooney has been in and out of the side because of injury and suspension, he's never had a decnet run.
Bringing up his England form is incredible stupid, firstly England have struggled as a team for the last few years and Rooney has been in and out of the side because of injury and suspension, he's never had a decnet run.
Just to sum up, Rooney is a God, Mithun is a spastic.
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Sounds good to me.
There are some incredibly spoilt "fans" on this forum and it's embarassing.
Natural Striker?.One who can find space,make runs and has a good conversion rate in front of goal.
Rooney was excellent because he could feed this striker,because he knew he could run round anywhere,play his own game and not worry so much about the goals.
Now he's been chosen to play that role,without a single doubt in my mind i can say he's never gonna be that player who is clinical when put through,he's quite indecisive,its just not in his natural instincts,playmaking is.
I'll be quite worried if he continues to lead the line in the long term,he may score goals but what a complete waste of talent it'll be.
It depends. In club football you can buy players that you can put around your better players and get the most of them. In international football you can only do that to a lesser extent, because you cant pick and choose who is from your country or not. You just have to make do with whats available.
Rooney plays freely for United. Playing next to Ronaldo and Tevez is pretty good for him. Though its not the best (As Rooney has to lead the line more than is natural for him) he has 2 other very good players he can interchange with.
For England, that's not the case.
We have Rooney but no Ronaldo and no Tevez. He hasn't been great for England because the formation and players picked around him haven't always suited him. For the most part, up until now, what were considered the "best 11" players were picked with no regard for getting the most out of certain players.
Rooney and Owen isn't the best of partnerships. Lampard and Gerrard was pretty appauling. etc
We may see Rooney play a lot better for England under Capello. Or, we could possibly see him dropped if other players come in and work well as a partnership. Considering our lack of real striking talent aside from Rooney and Owen, that's quite unlikely.
Rooney was fantastically clinical in the early part of the seasonc when he hit form. Had he not got injured, I'm sure it would have continued.
No it's not.
James, Rio, Terry, Gerrard, Lampard, Carrick, Downing.....
All are players that have been good/great for their respective clubs, but have been nowhere near that good when playing for England.
is the long and short.
the only difference between rooney now and being world class at say 26 will be he is more consistent.
On his day he is world class...but his levels of consistency are not high enough. His workrate compenates for those days but still if we are talking about world class he aint that til week in week out he's at his best (give or take)
Rooney doesn't have that many weaknesses, I'd say he's more all less a complete striker but slightly inconsistent. His first touch can be really awful, yes, but it can be really magical as much as it can be awful. Therefore it's a matter of consistency. However, we should consider the fact that has be injured twice this season and just before the second time he was scoring for fun. Also last year, where he got 23 goals and many assists, he was rushed after his injury for the world cup and it's more than logical to be so inconsistent. I think you understood which is the keyword here, right? He is the complete football player. In the last few games he has played as a striker, a 2nd striker, midfielder, winger and full back. Did you see how many times he had helped Evra against Spurs?
Stat of the day: This season when United have played without Rooney they have scored at a rate of 0.9 goals per game. When Rooney is in the team the rate per game has been 2.5 goals. Now seriously do we need more evidence.
I'll just say I think Gus is spot on with this one.
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Agreed. At this very moment, I'd say his finishing is what's letting him down. Back in the days, and at the Euro 2004, he had everything you mentioned plus he looked like he could score goals from everywhere. He's been looking very low on confidence in front of the goal now and has also been wasting too many chances. Credit to him though, he still pulls all the strings when we play even when he dosent find the back of the net such as when we battered Newcastle at OT. Hopefully Rooney can go one of his scoring streaks sooner rather than later.
rooney is a poor finisher and certainly does not compensate this by being being a worldclass provider. So i fail to see how he can become a brilliant CF.
More is expected from rooney given his billing that everyone makes of him. If he's on the level of Cantona he needs to make his mark. Cantona did not suffer crises of confidences or start to "miscontrol" chances or miss. Cantona technique was one of the finest ever. Had Cantona come to Man Utd at 18 like Rooney he would have achieved more and left a bigger impression - instead he inspired Leeds to the EPL prior ro coming to Man Utd.
More is expected from rooney given his billing that everyone makes of him. If he's on the level of Cantona he needs to make his mark. Cantona did not suffer crises of confidences or start to "miscontrol" chances or miss. Cantona technique was one of the finest ever. Had Cantona come to Man Utd at 18 like Rooney he would have achieved more and left a bigger impression - instead he inspired Leeds to the EPL prior ro coming to Man Utd.
That's it, I've had it with you, just feck off!
I fail to see how the promotion system still allows twats like you through. I'm convinced your a WUM.
Not that I am taking any anything way from Le God that is Cantona. But he came to Leeds at the age of 25 with plenty of experience having played at 7 different French clubs.
What about having to settle into EPL and into a different culture? He won the EPL with Leeds immediately and then the rest is history. The seven clubs does not help whatsover in this regard and if anything can be destabilising.
Cantona came into the Man Utd side - a strong side and established himself as the star player. The team looked to him for inspiration, even Roy Keane and he provided it consistently and reliably. That is genius.
Critically this is the level befacing rooney. At present Ronaldo is making his mark.
Cantona came into the Man Utd side - a strong side and established himself as the star player. The team looked to him for inspiration, even Roy Keane and he provided it consistently and reliably. That is genius.
Critically this is the level befacing rooney. At present Ronaldo is making his mark.
fu*ck you, if mods want to arbitrate thats fine over this. But your conduct on this forum has been aggressive and not in the spirit of a 'forum' and 'debating'. Whats with the inciting in your comments! Fu*ck you thats the only language you probably understand!
Rooney's not having a great season right now, but he still has a chance to make a mark on this campaign and I for one wouldn't bet against him doing it.
Getting bogged down into whether he's 'world class' or not is irrelevant. He certainly has the potential to be such.
We will hopefully have some massive matches coming up over the next few months and that will be his opportunity to prove his doubters wrong. Whether he does or not is entirely up to him. (And a touch of luck, which every centre forward needs, and needs to capitalise on.)
Getting bogged down into whether he's 'world class' or not is irrelevant. He certainly has the potential to be such.
We will hopefully have some massive matches coming up over the next few months and that will be his opportunity to prove his doubters wrong. Whether he does or not is entirely up to him. (And a touch of luck, which every centre forward needs, and needs to capitalise on.)
Looking at his join date, I doubt there was a newbies section let alone a promotion points system.
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