Most of those things are explained if you watch all 6 seasons.
Television Was the ending to Lost really THAT bad? | Yes
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran discuss a horrific month of December and a depressing FOUR defeats in a row - the latest coming against Wolves and Newcastle.
They discuss how much blame is on Ruben Amorim and rank our squad against other Premier League teams.
Do we have any chance of avoiding defeat at Anfield?
Oh, another couple of years have gone by and one of my kids just asked what the show is about...
You're funny.
I will at some point getting around to answering them - they are indeed mostly answered.
Edit: the polar bears are referenced in most seasons for example. It’s also weird to complain about the show going “magic” when there is obviously no other answers for the mysteries in the first season. There are literal dead people walking around, polar bears on a tropical island and a pilot pulled through the roof of an airplane by an invisible monster in the first few episodes. A man starts walking again after being paralysed for life FFS. The answers were always going tk by mystical in nature.
Edit two: one of the complaints is about the smoke monster not being in the first episode when it clearly is for example.
Edit: the polar bears are referenced in most seasons for example. It’s also weird to complain about the show going “magic” when there is obviously no other answers for the mysteries in the first season. There are literal dead people walking around, polar bears on a tropical island and a pilot pulled through the roof of an airplane by an invisible monster in the first few episodes. A man starts walking again after being paralysed for life FFS. The answers were always going tk by mystical in nature.
Edit two: one of the complaints is about the smoke monster not being in the first episode when it clearly is for example.
I'd emphasize that its rating on IMDB is in the middle, but most people did not rate it on IMDB at all. The End (part 1) has 12,000 votes. The End (part 2) has 2,000 votes. Lost averaged 19 million viewers per episode, so 12,000 out of 19 million is a rounding error. The finale was mocked and ridiculed, and no one was satisfied with it. There were a couple weepy moments - who wouldn’t be sad with the final realization that
Jack and Kate were never going to work out-
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I might finally watch the last season one day. Lost interest once I realised there were no answers to the questions they kept raising.
That was the thing: early on, the writers claimed everything they were showing had a scientific explanation. They also promised the characters were not in a type of limbo or afterlife or alternate timeline. They lied about both things. Lindelof bragged that he was paid to come up with ideas, not answers. The success of season 1 forced them to change a ton of shit they had planned. Such as, Tom Cruise’s cousin William Mapother (Ethan) was supposed to be a huge character , but then they decided to give that stuff to Ben.
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No they didn’t. They were not in an afterlife or limbo!
They weren't.
Everything that happened on the island, and after the island for many happened. They were all alive.
It was only the 'season 6 flash 'sideways' that was purgatory to make peace with their lives and it was explained that when they died, they went to the flight as a fixed point in their afterlife and it landed, and they lived out a life there until they all went to the church together and met up to enter what I assume was heaven.
Does that actually make sense to you -- or contradict what I wrote?
Yes it makes sense and yes it contradicts what you wrote.
yes & yes
Did they really? What scientific explanation were you expecting for a paraplegic suddenly being able to walk again after surviving a fecking horrific air crash? Or ghosts walking around the fecking jungle?
Kinda sounds like some people desperately wanted LOST to be something that could happen, with no elements of the supernatural, despite it being clearly obvious from within a few episodes that it wasn’t the case.
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Yes to both. I’m surprised that you don’t get the flash sideways in the final season given it’s probably one of the least ‘confusing’ mysteries of the show.
I was numb at that point. I had given up.
Once again, Jack's father spelled it out in the series Finale. I don't understand why so many struggle to understand this.
JACK: You...are you real?
CHRISTIAN: I should hope so. Yeah, I'm real. You're real, everything that's ever happened to you is real. All those people in the church...they're real too.
JACK: They're all...they're all dead?
CHRISTIAN: Everyone dies sometime, kiddo. Some of them before you, some...long after you.
JACK: But why are they all here now?
CHRISTIAN: Well there is no "now" here.
JACK: Where are we, dad?
CHRISTIAN: This is the place that you...that you all made together, so that you could find one another. The most...important part of your life, was the time that you spent with these people. That's why all of you are here. Nobody does it alone Jack. You needed all of them, and they needed you.
Kinda feel the same given this back and forth with you bro.
S1 E12 - Whatever the Case May Be
Kate centric episode. Bit tight for time this weekend, so here's a copy paste of the episode synopsis:
I'll be honest, it's a pretty boring episode. There's some casual flirting between Kate and Sawyer to begin with (great shots of Kate swimming in her swimming gear) but the episode is the first one in season 1 where I felt it was more filler than anything else. From the backstory we learn how desperate Kate was to get this deposit box, even being part of a fake heist to get into the area. Also, interesting tidbit - the deposit box number is 815, (which is a call back to Oceanic 815) and the number that reoccurs throughout the show. Locke and Boone are still working on the hatch, but other than that not a lot happens. There's some interesting scenes with Shannon and Sayid too. There's some scenes for Rose as well, as she helps Charlie overcome his PTSD from being hung. The first 11 episodes have been pretty rough for Charlie - plane crash, drug withdrawals (and bee stings) and now he was almost killed. Claire is still missing.
Kate centric episode. Bit tight for time this weekend, so here's a copy paste of the episode synopsis:
I'll be honest, it's a pretty boring episode. There's some casual flirting between Kate and Sawyer to begin with (great shots of Kate swimming in her swimming gear) but the episode is the first one in season 1 where I felt it was more filler than anything else. From the backstory we learn how desperate Kate was to get this deposit box, even being part of a fake heist to get into the area. Also, interesting tidbit - the deposit box number is 815, (which is a call back to Oceanic 815) and the number that reoccurs throughout the show. Locke and Boone are still working on the hatch, but other than that not a lot happens. There's some interesting scenes with Shannon and Sayid too. There's some scenes for Rose as well, as she helps Charlie overcome his PTSD from being hung. The first 11 episodes have been pretty rough for Charlie - plane crash, drug withdrawals (and bee stings) and now he was almost killed. Claire is still missing.
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S1 E13 - Hearts & Minds
So this was Boone centric episode - one that I had forgotten a lot about, but we really see the lengths of Locke's...doucheyness here. He knocks Boone unconscious, drugs him, and leaves him tied up in the jungle with ol' smokey lurking. And he does this because Boone wanted to tell Shannon about the hatch! Crazy. The interesting thing is Boone sees Shannon being killed by ol'smokey when he's having his hallucination...and Locke interestingly says, 'So that's what it showed you?'.
Which makes me think - whatever Locke was shown by ol'smokey in episode 4 or 5 whenever (when he said 'I've looked into the heart of this Island, and what I saw was beautiful') is basically driving him to become more and more fixated and obsessed with staying on the Island (and we know it's he who knocked out Sayid and destroyed his radio equipment although they haven't revealed that in the show yet. So yea, @Samid is correct, he's a douche in this first season.
It's also nice to see Shannon and Boone get some screentime - they've been fairly peripheral so far. Also Shannon is beautiful.
So this was Boone centric episode - one that I had forgotten a lot about, but we really see the lengths of Locke's...doucheyness here. He knocks Boone unconscious, drugs him, and leaves him tied up in the jungle with ol' smokey lurking. And he does this because Boone wanted to tell Shannon about the hatch! Crazy. The interesting thing is Boone sees Shannon being killed by ol'smokey when he's having his hallucination...and Locke interestingly says, 'So that's what it showed you?'.
Which makes me think - whatever Locke was shown by ol'smokey in episode 4 or 5 whenever (when he said 'I've looked into the heart of this Island, and what I saw was beautiful') is basically driving him to become more and more fixated and obsessed with staying on the Island (and we know it's he who knocked out Sayid and destroyed his radio equipment although they haven't revealed that in the show yet. So yea, @Samid is correct, he's a douche in this first season.
It's also nice to see Shannon and Boone get some screentime - they've been fairly peripheral so far. Also Shannon is beautiful.
I watched it for the first time knowing people hated the ending but the final moments weren't that bad. It was all the random stuff that led nowhere that made it bad, it felt like the writers were just putting stuff in just to be mysterious without rhyme or reason.
Never thought it'd be said. But nothing is beating GoT for the worst ending in history.
Thinking back it must have hell waiting a year or so for the next season.
Looking back at it now, it wasn't a bad ending. I think most things got wrapped up nicely (a few answers could even have been left out) and most characters got a good end to their arc. At the time I absolutely hated it - after a promising start to the season I thought it went slowly downhill (Ab Aeterno being the notable exception) until somewhere around Across The Sea where I just straight up gave up on the show and realized it wasn't gonna give me what I wanted of it. I think my main problem back then was that the season just took a distinctly other turn that what I thought it would. I still think it's by far the weakest season, but there's still a lot good in there (flash sideways was a complete waste though) and I think the final episode hits every note it should.
As for worst ending to a series, it's nowhere near Game of Thrones anyway you look at it. The ending of LOST is divisive, but there are a lot of people who loved it, Thrones ending is pretty much universally hated. Just look at IMDb scores - a lot of people seem to think that the show was trash already in the seventh season (and even earlier than so), yet the final episode of that season has a 9.4 grade (I loved that episode myself), compared to the shows final episode at 4.0. It's a remarkable drop off.
As for worst ending to a series, it's nowhere near Game of Thrones anyway you look at it. The ending of LOST is divisive, but there are a lot of people who loved it, Thrones ending is pretty much universally hated. Just look at IMDb scores - a lot of people seem to think that the show was trash already in the seventh season (and even earlier than so), yet the final episode of that season has a 9.4 grade (I loved that episode myself), compared to the shows final episode at 4.0. It's a remarkable drop off.
Never watched Lost but have heard that it encouraged so much theory-crafting among its fans that it couldn’t help but be disappointing to some. Again, never watched it but I feel GoT did this and upset a lot of people.
I've just watched it these past months and it will at least occupy some time.
Got was in steady decline since at least season 3. By season 5 it was unwatchable. Anyone who was suprised the final season was utter shit must have been watching it for the social media reactions only.
You could tell from the underlying stats
I thought it was good but I guess the GOT ending would make anything seem good
There was nothing that random was there?
I used to think the writers of LOST got themselves in trouble and had to resort to farfetched explanations in the last episodes to try to tie up the series.
I can make more sense of it now, but I still think they were winging it.
I can make more sense of it now, but I still think they were winging it.
It's aged well in my opinion, at the time it must have been quite out there as I can't remember much being this deep with lore. It feels like the last big show of the pre-streaming era. Breaking Bad felt like the first big show of the streaming era and there was a time they were both airing like a change of the guard.
Last two season were bad, or at least huge let downs. Not getting answers about the Walter superpowers mystery hurt the most.
I mean, the were winging it to a certain extent. There's no other way to make a show if you don't know if you're gonna make 20 or 200 episodes. When Damon and Carlton negotiated the end date for the show mid season three, they wanted to do one more season after the third, the network wanted seven season more and they agreed on three more seasons. I think this was evident in season two and the first half of season three, but after they knew the end date the show was much more focused I'd say. The shorter seasons also helped as there was much less need for filler episodes.
Loved the ending. Didn't love everything in the last few seasons but the finale was an emotional rollercoaster.