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The problem with Lost was mainly due to the writers constantly saying it wasn't purgatory and then they only went and did purgatory at the end. :lol:

That and they also said everything would be explained, but some was and a lot wasn't. But it was probably a better ending than other shows lately and probably aged fairly well.

Also the characters were generally excellent. Without the context of the complaints you'd probably like the final season tbf. One of those "you had to be there" arguments.
It wasn’t purgatory. It was a place the characters made for each other, it’s just a coincidence that it was exactly what purgatory is ;)
 
Just rewatched the whole thing because my wife had never seen it.

I think it really holds up. There are only a few really awful episodes in the whole run (looking at you, "Stranger in a Strange Land").

My wife thought the ending was beautiful. She said if there is a heaven/purgatory, she'd like it to be like that.
Bernard and Rose!
Paolo and Nikki!
 
In the middle of rewatching this right now and on s4. Aged much better than I thought.

The Constant is easily one of the best episodes of TV ever created (though 4 is relatively week vs the previous 3 seasons).

The character writing on this is levels above modern shows.
 
When they said it wasnt Purgatory they were talking about the island, which was a popular theory. And it wasnt. Something they did after those comments, the world after coming back from the island was Purgatory. So they didnt lie about what was being talked about at the time, the island, but they did still use it for something that came after. You might even call it a clever way of keeping people guessing about the lives they're living after the island.

For me the part I couldnt handle was the introduction/explanation of Jacob and the man in black/smoke monster. They were given these huge ending roles and I was dissappointed with both the characters and the actors who were outshined by the main cast. I just felt like... Thats it? Thats all?

First couple of seasons were great though
 
When they said it wasnt Purgatory they were talking about the island, which was a popular theory. And it wasnt. Something they did after those comments, the world after coming back from the island was Purgatory. So they didnt lie about what was being talked about at the time, the island, but they did still use it for something that came after. You might even call it a clever way of keeping people guessing about the lives they're living after the island.

For me the part I couldnt handle was the introduction/explanation of Jacob and the man in black/smoke monster. They were given these huge ending roles and I was dissappointed with both the characters and the actors who were outshined by the main cast. I just felt like... Thats it? Thats all?

First couple of seasons were great though
I did too for the longest time, and then figured a good explanation was that the main characters would probably have felt the same way - that these God like power having mythical figures were actually just really petty and cruel/selfish men and women. Sort of leaves the focus on the characters we've been following and doesn't discredit their journey.
 
Thinking back it must have hell waiting a year or so for the next season.
LOST had the advantage in this regard that forums and fandom were probably even more obsessive than today. LOST had whole forums the size of the caf dedicated to it. The users spent the whole season break on threads theorising, debating etc. Today is so different. The closest show now would be Severance and the biggest community is one reddit-linked discord. I don't think there will ever be a show like LOST again. Hell, to get a 2025 thread bump on a MUFC fan forum which reignites debate about the ending pretty much proves what a unique show it was.
 
LOST had the advantage in this regard that forums and fandom were probably even more obsessive than today. LOST had whole forums the size of the caf dedicated to it. The users spent the whole season break on threads theorising, debating etc. Today is so different. The closest show now would be Severance and the biggest community is one reddit-linked discord. I don't think there will ever be a show like LOST again. Hell, to get a 2025 thread bump on a MUFC fan forum which reignites debate about the ending pretty much proves what a unique show it was.
I’m showing my partner the show now and it’s funny seeing it from her perspective in terms of not obsessing over every single detail. I told her people used to analyse Eko’s stick and stuff and she laughed. She doesn’t catch a lot of the subtle nods in the background of flashbacks either (like Jack walking behind Shannon when her dad has that car crash) and I mean they are essentially meaningless so it doesn’t matter. They’re just nice little nods to the fans that do.

My feeling was similar to Ekeke. I loved pretty much all of it but I wasn’t a huge fan of how they handled what the smoke monster was. Or using Locke as the vehicle for that and making him the villain.
 
LOST had the advantage in this regard that forums and fandom were probably even more obsessive than today. LOST had whole forums the size of the caf dedicated to it. The users spent the whole season break on threads theorising, debating etc. Today is so different. The closest show now would be Severance and the biggest community is one reddit-linked discord. I don't think there will ever be a show like LOST again. Hell, to get a 2025 thread bump on a MUFC fan forum which reignites debate about the ending pretty much proves what a unique show it was.

it really shows how starved people must have been for good content back then. For such mediocre television to attract obsessive fandom seems bizarre now. Although it also felt weird at the time. It so obviously disappeared up its own arse. To find people still defending it and apparently enjoying it long after it jumped the shark was very strange.
 
it really shows how starved people must have been for good content back then. For such mediocre television to attract obsessive fandom seems bizarre now. Although it also felt weird at the time. It so obviously disappeared up its own arse. To find people still defending it and apparently enjoying it long after it jumped the shark was very strange.
By the time it went a bit silly people had already invested in it so obviously stuck it out to the end. Some didn’t find it that bad. The mystery aspect kept a lot going and you see it a lot these days too with shows like From. The quality goes down but people want to know the answers.
 
I’m showing my partner the show now and it’s funny seeing it from her perspective in terms of not obsessing over every single detail. I told her people used to analyse Eko’s stick and stuff and she laughed. She doesn’t catch a lot of the subtle nods in the background of flashbacks either (like Jack walking behind Shannon when her dad has that car crash) and I mean they are essentially meaningless so it doesn’t matter. They’re just nice little nods to the fans that do.

My feeling was similar to Ekeke. I loved pretty much all of it but I wasn’t a huge fan of how they handled what the smoke monster was. Or using Locke as the vehicle for that and making him the villain.

I was one of those weirdos on the forums talking about how far "penny's boat" was from the island when the math guy was using walkie-talkies and how delayed the discussion was. :lol:

God i cringed writing that, but i'd never forget that sense of community I got from it.

it really shows how starved people must have been for good content back then. For such mediocre television to attract obsessive fandom seems bizarre now. Although it also felt weird at the time. It so obviously disappeared up its own arse. To find people still defending it and apparently enjoying it long after it jumped the shark was very strange.

Oh there was nothing that came close. LOST, for all the faults we can point out now and how high quality TV is now at times, was something truly unique. Doesn't mean it had to be the "GOAT" of TV shows, but there was nothing like it. I'm just sad that sense of community is gone.
 
Oh there was nothing that came close. LOST, for all the faults we can point out now and how high quality TV is now at times, was something truly unique. Doesn't mean it had to be the "GOAT" of TV shows, but there was nothing like it. I'm just sad that sense of community is gone.

Fair enough. I’m probably doing that thing I do of shitting on things people love just because I don’t like it. Don’t mind me. I did really enjoy the first few episodes. Before it began to stop making sense (to me anyway)
 
The lost forums were something truly special. And as a poster above wrote, the constant is easily one of the best episodes of tv in history. I was lucky enough to meet Desmond in real life and he referred to lost as a “job” and just seemed like such a down to earth guy.

The character development in lost was a bit easier to achieve IMO because of the flashbacks, they do feel like cheating a little bit because you can easily lay the narrative for a personality. Compare it to a show like the sopranos and how it made you feel about some of those characters, and it’s a whole different level.
 
Fair enough. I’m probably doing that thing I do of shitting on things people love just because I don’t like it. Don’t mind me. I did really enjoy the first few episodes. Before it began to stop making sense (to me anyway)

Every time I see your name I always wonder to myself… are you the Irish Post Malone?
 
Fair enough. I’m probably doing that thing I do of shitting on things people love just because I don’t like it. Don’t mind me. I did really enjoy the first few episodes. Before it began to stop making sense (to me anyway)
and that's also fair. If any show deserves criticism for direction, planning etc it's LOST. They definitely knew audience retention and expansion was built on more and more mystery above all else. Unfortunately LOST was probably the first victim of "theorycrafting" and "head canon".
 
The lost forums were something truly special. And as a poster above wrote, the constant is easily one of the best episodes of tv in history. I was lucky enough to meet Desmond in real life and he referred to lost as a “job” and just seemed like such a down to earth guy.

The character development in lost was a bit easier to achieve IMO because of the flashbacks, they do feel like cheating a little bit because you can easily lay the narrative for a personality. Compare it to a show like the sopranos and how it made you feel about some of those characters, and it’s a whole different level.
Yeah it was a great way to do it. I think also the concept of the plane crash means the audience meets every character the same time as they’re all meeting each other. So there’s no awkward or clunky exposition in the island scenes either.
 
I was too busy staring at her tits so I don't really remember anything she said if I'm honest :lol: that might seem non-PC but it was literally the entire reason for her character in that episode. They gave the actor zero to work with other than "be hot and mysterious."
She is a notoriously awful actor though.

They hired her because she's hot and she was cool at the time. That's literally it. They're on the record as saying they made an awful casting decision with her.
 
I was one of those weirdos on the forums talking about how far "penny's boat" was from the island when the math guy was using walkie-talkies and how delayed the discussion was. :lol:

God i cringed writing that, but i'd never forget that sense of community I got from it.



Oh there was nothing that came close. LOST, for all the faults we can point out now and how high quality TV is now at times, was something truly unique. Doesn't mean it had to be the "GOAT" of TV shows, but there was nothing like it. I'm just sad that sense of community is gone.
During the time of lost there wasn't this much TV like now and everyone was watching the same thing. I remember going to Uni and discuss the episodes every week and it elevated the overall experience.

If Lost came out now it will be "lost" among the 10 shows that get released every month and only a small community would be watching it. Game of the Thrones was the last show that everyone was watching. Too much quality TV has some how been a negative in terms of the community aspect of TV shows.
 
I was one of those weirdos on the forums talking about how far "penny's boat" was from the island when the math guy was using walkie-talkies and how delayed the discussion was. :lol:

God i cringed writing that, but i'd never forget that sense of community I got from it.
Haha, been there done that. I wish I could read my posts now :D
 
Haha, been there done that. I wish I could read my posts now :D
I mean we’ve got Lost threads on here going back pretty far. I can still find my old posts from when the later seasons were airing which is pretty cool.

I also remember Lostpedia and I think one just called LostForums.
 
I had my own lost forum with like 80,000 posts that was a migration after the Channel Four forums closed down.

Lost, Leftovers and Watchmen are all incredibly fantastic tv shows. Apart from Severence there hasn’t been a serial tv show in the 2020s to approach Lost and we’re half way through the decade:
 
It wasn’t purgatory. It was a place the characters made for each other, it’s just a coincidence that it was exactly what purgatory is ;)
But the island wasn't purgatory, which is what everyone's theory was at the time. Everything that happened on the island was real. It was the off-island stuff afterwards that was the "moving on" place.

I'm not sure how people are still confusing this.
 
What was cool about LOST was how they initially planned on doling out the big whammy surprises. Like at the end of S1 when
Locke finds the hatch and it has the lost numbers engraved on it
. That was like HOLYfeckINGSHIT. Or what about every time they found a Dharma Initiative video, and they determined there were frames missing, and you analyzed every frame for clues. And another one was just when you were starting to get a little too familiar/comfortable with the characters, so they
introduced the tail section "tailies", a whole new set of survivors
. Another one was when they finally
revealed all the hieroglyphics on the vault door that happens when the buttons aren't pushed to reset the 108 minutes thing. I remember poring over that image for days. The forums were awash in theories.
For every genius move, though, they stepped right in dogshit in two other moves. Such as:
Walt being the "key" to everything in S1 and then they quickly get the kid off the show because he grew 10 inches in one year, Ben's Alias story line where Sayid is a globetrotting assassin, Penny's Boat having feck all to do with anything except the Hobbit was so invested in it that he killed himself to get the message out it's NOT PENNY'S BOAT, Juliette's father?, Jack's fecking tattoos, the dry ice and moss filled room with a ship's wheel on it's side that they have to manually turn in order to jump the island to a new location WTF, the quick reveal of a gigantic three-toed statue OMGTHEYAREN'TEVENHUMANZ, and so on.
.

Once they introduced the concept of
flash forwards, flash sideways, flash alternate realities, the writers basically were monkeys flinging their poo at the wall.
Some of the dumbest shit I have ever seen on TV was when Sawyer and the English-born actor of Indian heritage, Naveen Andrews, here playing a highly competent Iraqi torture expert (?)

flash into another reality where they are LA police detectives. But it was done in such a hamfisted manner, like it was a parody.
. It didn't help that Ben, who was not supposed to be such a big deal, then is revealed as some ultra genius super villain and they start recreating the storyline of Alias, another JJ Abrams show.

Incidentally there's a show called Evil on Netflix and "Ben" is in it, and he hasn't aged a fecking day. So maybe he really is an evil being?
 
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For me the one of the dumbest things they did was bringing Sayid back to life. That whole temple storyline felt very shark-jumpy.
 
But the island wasn't purgatory, which is what everyone's theory was at the time. Everything that happened on the island was real. It was the off-island stuff afterwards that was the "moving on" place.

I'm not sure how people are still confusing this.

It's incredible, right? They even had Christian Shephard spell it out to Jack (the viewers) and a lot of people still didn't get it :lol:

I'm due a rewatch in the summer - I'll break out the Blu Rays :drool:
 
But the island wasn't purgatory, which is what everyone's theory was at the time. Everything that happened on the island was real. It was the off-island stuff afterwards that was the "moving on" place.

I'm not sure how people are still confusing this.
I thought everyone in here was referring to the flash sideways parts as being purgatory.

I'm pretty sure that the original ending was meant to be that the island was also purgatory, but when everyone online figured it out the showrunners panicked and changed it, only to bring it back towards the end via the off the island stuff.
 
I thought everyone in here was referring to the flash sideways parts as being purgatory.

I'm pretty sure that the original ending was meant to be that the island was also purgatory, but when everyone online figured it out the showrunners panicked and changed it, only to bring it back towards the end via the off the island stuff.

They might be, but when the writers said it wasnt purgatory it was in response to being asked if the island was purgatory because thats all the show was about at that point. They refuted it. Time passed after that, the show continued and after that point they came off the island and it was purgatory. Yet people are bringing up that the writers said "it wasnt purgatory" as if they were talking about something that came after the comments.
 
I'm pretty sure that the original ending was meant to be that the island was also purgatory, but when everyone online figured it out the showrunners panicked and changed it, only to bring it back towards the end via the off the island ststuff.
I see this get posted a lot, is there any basis for this at all? It seems like the most obvious theory ever after the first few episodes - we have a bunch of survivors from a plane crash, that never in a million years would have survived that in a normal setting, and they are on an island that seemingly cannot be found and a lot of crazy stuff happens. It does not seem that far fetched to come up with this theory, so the idea that the showrunners panicked when peole guessed this doesn't seem reasonable to me.

I'd say them including purgatory towards the end, in the sideways, exactly because of the theorizing seems much more reasonable.
 
It's incredible, right? They even had Christian Shephard spell it out to Jack (the viewers) and a lot of people still didn't get it :lol:

I'm due a rewatch in the summer - I'll break out the Blu Rays :drool:
Yes, the very dead Christian Shepherd who shows up on the island and then explains that it’s all real and definitely not purgatory. Yep, just another day on Lost island, nothing magical about it.
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I was one of those weirdos on the forums talking about how far "penny's boat" was from the island when the math guy was using walkie-talkies and how delayed the discussion was. :lol:

God i cringed writing that, but i'd never forget that sense of community I got from it.



Oh there was nothing that came close. LOST, for all the faults we can point out now and how high quality TV is now at times, was something truly unique. Doesn't mean it had to be the "GOAT" of TV shows, but there was nothing like it. I'm just sad that sense of community is gone.
Lost did what Game of thrones ended up doing for a while; it brought people together. It was a cultural phenomenon that reached almost every demographic above 15. Very few shows achieve that global fandom and cult status. It had great visuals, a fantastic cast, drama, suspense, romance, comedy , sci-fi, magic etc.
 
I was one of those weirdos on the forums talking about how far "penny's boat" was from the island when the math guy was using walkie-talkies and how delayed the discussion was. :lol:

God i cringed writing that, but i'd never forget that sense of community I got from it.



Oh there was nothing that came close. LOST, for all the faults we can point out now and how high quality TV is now at times, was something truly unique. Doesn't mean it had to be the "GOAT" of TV shows, but there was nothing like it. I'm just sad that sense of community is gone.

The lost forums were something truly special. And as a poster above wrote, the constant is easily one of the best episodes of tv in history. I was lucky enough to meet Desmond in real life and he referred to lost as a “job” and just seemed like such a down to earth guy.

The character development in lost was a bit easier to achieve IMO because of the flashbacks, they do feel like cheating a little bit because you can easily lay the narrative for a personality. Compare it to a show like the sopranos and how it made you feel about some of those characters, and it’s a whole different level.

Lost did what Game of thrones ended up doing for a while; it brought people together. It was a cultural phenomenon that reached almost every demographic above 15. Very few shows achieve that global fandom and cult status. It had great visuals, a fantastic cast, drama, suspense, romance, comedy , sci-fi, magic etc.
Despite LOST’s flaws - which were legion - they unwittingly cracked the code for how to make a show that everyone wants in on, everyone wants to talk about at work, and that demands audiences tune in every week. Mostly they got the balance right between character development and mystery, but it was the mystery element that made the show white hot. It’s a shame that the writers basically abused the viewers’ trust by avoiding explanations or offering silly answers to the questions. Three or four seasons it was close to brilliant. Then it became everything you hate.

In the early days on the forums the writers were adamant everything had a scientific explanation. They really wanted people to invest in the mechanics of the show. Later, when dead people came back to life, lame people walked, smoke monsters, eternal beings, alien races, time travel, nanobots, parallel dimensions and whatever other wacky shit entered the show, people had invested far too much energy to be able to accept some cockamamie horseshit like they tried to sell. Jack’s dad is dead but shows up on the island in his burial clothes, Jack suddenly has a 13 year old son, they are in a magical realm between life and death that no one — except Ben — can access, via a fecking submarine no less, where they all have to work out some things, but oh no this is not purgatory, no sir, it’s gurpatory. They had the tiger by the tail but then the tiger turned around and ate their faces.
 
Despite LOST’s flaws - which were legion - they unwittingly cracked the code for how to make a show that everyone wants in on, everyone wants to talk about at work, and that demands audiences tune in every week. Mostly they got the balance right between character development and mystery, but it was the mystery element that made the show white hot. It’s a shame that the writers basically abused the viewers’ trust by avoiding explanations or offering silly answers to the questions. Three or four seasons it was close to brilliant. Then it became everything you hate.

In the early days on the forums the writers were adamant everything had a scientific explanation. They really wanted people to invest in the mechanics of the show. Later, when dead people came back to life, lame people walked, smoke monsters, eternal beings, alien races, time travel, nanobots, parallel dimensions and whatever other wacky shit entered the show, people had invested far too much energy to be able to accept some cockamamie horseshit like they tried to sell. Jack’s dad is dead but shows up on the island in his burial clothes, Jack suddenly has a 13 year old son, they are in a magical realm between life and death that no one — except Ben — can access, via a fecking submarine no less, where they all have to work out some things, but oh no this is not purgatory, no sir, it’s gurpatory. They had the tiger by the tail but then the tiger turned around and ate their faces.
Still feels like you don’t get it. I’m not debating whether it was done well or not. But the story is that everything on the island actually happened. The only ‘purgatory’ place is what happens in the flash sideways in the final season. Christian tells Jack that it’s a place they made to be together one last time before they move on, because of their experiences on the island.
 
In the early days on the forums the writers were adamant everything had a scientific explanation. They really wanted people to invest in the mechanics of the show. Later, when dead people came back to life, lame people walked, smoke monsters, eternal beings, alien races, time travel, nanobots, parallel dimensions and whatever other wacky shit entered the show, people had invested far too much energy to be able to accept some cockamamie horseshit like they tried to sell. Jack’s dad is dead but shows up on the island in his burial clothes, Jack suddenly has a 13 year old son, they are in a magical realm between life and death that no one — except Ben — can access, via a fecking submarine no less, where they all have to work out some things, but oh no this is not purgatory, no sir, it’s gurpatory. They had the tiger by the tail but then the tiger turned around and ate their faces.
While I can sympathize with the dissapointment of everything not being scientifically explained, it shouldn't have come as a surprise. A lot of the things you mention were already there very early in the show, you had lame people walking, people surviving a plane crash without scratches, smoke monsters, an island that can't be found, dead people walking around all in the first season (arguably in the first few episodes). Looking back it was quite obvious it wasn't gonna all gonna have scientific explanations. Sure, more weird stuff happened after that, but most of it fit fairly well with what was established in the first season I'd say.
 
Still feels like you don’t get it. I’m not debating whether it was done well or not. But the story is that everything on the island actually happened. The only ‘purgatory’ place is what happens in the flash sideways in the final season. Christian tells Jack that it’s a place they made to be together one last time before they move on, because of their experiences on the island.
Yikes
 
Yes, the very dead Christian Shepherd who shows up on the island and then explains that it’s all real and definitely not purgatory. Yep, just another day on Lost island, nothing magical about it.
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You're aware that Jacob and the man in black/smoke monster are clearly supernatural? It was the man in black using his appearance. How would he know his appearance? Well Jack had the corpse when the plane crashed on the island.

I believe they are referring to Jack's father explaining it to Jack at the end of the show, when they are all in purgatory about to pass on.