Shane88
Actually Nostradamus
West Ham can piss off. We know they can pay good money for players from other leagues so they can pay decent money for a PL proven solid full back who is a very good age.
Whose stock is incredibly low and is in the last year of their contract ...West Ham can piss off. We know they can pay good money for players from other leagues so they can pay decent money for a PL proven solid full back who is a very good age.
Wan-Bissaka is older, has one year.on his deal (no +1 option) and was out for more games last season.They were offering close to 20m EUR for a RB who's injured half the time. Atleast that for a PL proven, generally fit fullback.
He'd do well for you, don't pay attention to the hyperbole on here. Watch a few videos of himAs a weat ham fan I'm still of two minds. 15m is a great deal for a reasonably aged RB who clearly is a decent player.
However I'm still struggling to understand how he works for us under a typical tactic that puts heavy emphasis on attacking fullbacks. I get the feeling he just isn't that type of player, particularly for a team that will want to be in the conference/europa league mix.
How many millions do you think those extra 12 days are worth knocking off, I wonder?Wan-Bissaka is older
He'd do well for you, don't pay attention to the hyperbole on here. Watch a few videos of him
I was saying if you watch him for yourself you'll see what type of player he was last season and the one before rather than buying into the hyperbole posted on here about him playing sideways, not being able to cross, being bad at positioning etc etc... it's all exaggerated for effect.I dont doubt he is a good player, I'm just very uncertain he is what West Ham needs from a RB under new management. Feels like a remnant from Moyes west ham days to be honest. Alot of attacking is going to come from the FB this season as the center will be compact. I'm yet to be convinced he is going to be doing that role to the quality that is going to be required. Luckily he would have Bowen further ahead of him which may help unlock that side of his game given his industrious style.
I just worry this deal is going through because its cheap and mot thinking of whether it makes any tactical sense. Sullivan seems to hate spending anything on FB afterall.
I was saying if you watch him for yourself you'll see what type of player he was last season and the one before rather than buying into the hyperbole posted on here about him playing sideways, not being able to cross, being bad at positioning etc etc... it's all exaggerated for effect.
It doesn't matter anyway he'll end up somewhere and do well...
A million a day seems fair.How many millions do you think those extra 12 days are worth knocking off, I wonder?
Wages are always the problem for us to get shot.Rolling my eyes at Fans of other teams snubbing AWB.
Has his limitations but better than most fullbacks in this league (Especially outside the top 4)
I personally wouldn’t sell. If we are happy to keep a limited player like Malacia then AWB defs makes the cut as a squad option. For me he actually improved on the ball last season but still not good enough to start for us (given our ambitions).
15m is insulting for a 26 year old fullback with almost 200 Prem appearances and a unique skillset + he’s on reasonable wages
Wages are always the problem for us to get shot.
I would still keep him in the squad mind.
I’d rather sell Malacia tbh
Too right it is insulting!Rolling my eyes at Fans of other teams snubbing AWB.
Has his limitations but better than most fullbacks in this league (Especially outside the top 4)
I personally wouldn’t sell. If we are happy to keep a limited player like Malacia then AWB defs makes the cut as a squad option. For me he actually improved on the ball last season but still not good enough to start for us (given our ambitions).
15m is insulting for a 26 year old fullback with almost 200 Prem appearances and a unique skillset + he’s on reasonable wages
Too right it is insulting!
Along with Walker he is the best RB in the Premier League at actually defending.
Maybe with Amad in front of him a winger that can actually pass a ball properly his attacking stats could improve.
Who is a better defensive RB than AWB in the Premier League?At tackling.
The distinction must be made that good defending doesn't mean that they're great at one aspect of defending. It means that they excel at most.
AWB would be a good defender if :-
1. He tracked runners (He doesn't)
2. Has positional awareness (Also no)
3. Covered his back post (He doesn't)
4. He was good in the air (definitely not)
One cannot be a good defender on the basis of one aspect of defending alone.
That's like saying someone is a good midfielder because they've got a nice pass, but if that was the case, then Shelvey would be great.
Dalot, Walker, Ben WhiteWho is a better defensive RB than AWB in the Premier League?
Honest question…If Dalot played up against Doku in the FA cup final would we have won?Dalot, Walker, Ben White
Not OP but no. He can lose confidence mid game vs skilled wingers.Honest question…If Dalot played up against Doku in the FA cup final would we have won?
At tackling.
The distinction must be made that good defending doesn't mean that they're great at one aspect of defending. It means that they excel at most.
AWB would be a good defender if :-
1. He tracked runners (He doesn't)
2. Has positional awareness (Also no)
3. Covered his back post (He doesn't)
4. He was good in the air (definitely not)
One cannot be a good defender on the basis of one aspect of defending alone.
That's like saying someone is a good midfielder because they've got a nice pass, but if that was the case, then Shelvey would be great.
AWB's not as bad at attacking as many people make out. He doesn't get in the right positions enough but he is more effective getting forward than he's given credit for. Then when he does get in attacking positions his cut-backs are quite dangerous if you get people making runs to the edge of the box (his crossing is pretty poor though).As a weat ham fan I'm still of two minds. 15m is a great deal for a reasonably aged RB who clearly is a decent player.
However I'm still struggling to understand how he works for us under a typical tactic that puts heavy emphasis on attacking fullbacks. I get the feeling he just isn't that type of player, particularly for a team that will want to be in the conference/europa league mix.
He's not a perfect right back, but he's a big upgrade on Coufal in my opinion and for 10m-15m, you will not get much better. I personally think at the very top level he gets found out going forward, but he's tidy in possession and you're still going to play pretty direct with Bowen, Kudus and such. You'll get a lot of use out of him.Just looking at the stats it kinda does back up the point though that he does have clear deficiency in attacking elements. His defense stats are good-outstanding which is what you'd expect. He feels like a Everton style player to me, like a Dyche or a Moyes style player.
It's just in a Lopetegui system what he wants from a FB is exactly the things AWB is weakest at statistically.
I dont doubt he will do well somewhere, I'm just not convinced that he is a good match for this current West Ham team and its tactics going forward. However for such a low sum it would free up a little extra money elsewhere in the budget, so does a less than perfect tactically RB enable a higher quality of player elsewhere I suppose is the equation.
Totally agree with this, he’s great at 1v1 defending, when he has to concentrate on only shutting his opponent down, he is poor at most other things and I don’t think he’s got any better at them.At tackling.
The distinction must be made that good defending doesn't mean that they're great at one aspect of defending. It means that they excel at most.
AWB would be a good defender if :-
1. He tracked runners (He doesn't)
2. Has positional awareness (Also no)
3. Covered his back post (He doesn't)
4. He was good in the air (definitely not)
One cannot be a good defender on the basis of one aspect of defending alone.
That's like saying someone is a good midfielder because they've got a nice pass, but if that was the case, then Shelvey would be great.
Over the last two years he definitely improved at covering the back post and in the air in general. Still not good at it, but it's no longer a huge weakness like it used to be.Totally agree with this, he’s great at 1v1 defending, when he has to concentrate on only shutting his opponent down, he is poor at most other things and I don’t think he’s got any better at them.
I’d also add very slow recovery runs when getting back into position.
Yes because we would keep better possession with Dalot at RB and a competent LB. The reality is that Wan Bissaka is great at one thing and that doesn’t necessarily even make him a great defensive full back. As has been often pointed out in this thread, his positioning isn’t the greatest and he is very suspect with aerial duels. Add to that the fact that he is severely lacking going forward and it’s easy to see why he isn’t a viable alternative even as a backup. If we want to have a defined way of playing, we need to have players who can play that way even if they are inferior to someone else who might be better suited to a different systemHonest question…If Dalot played up against Doku in the FA cup final would we have won?
I doesn't seem like we're necessarily going with the similar players in the same position route, like Zirkzee is very different to HojlundFor the people wanting to keep him, do you think we play the same way with him as compared to Dalot? If yes, I must be watching different games
There’s a difference between having tactical variations due to different types of players, and having a player who just doesn’t suit the system. Every player we have must have a baseline of technical prowess if we want to play proper football, he just doesn’t have it and never will. He’s good in tight spaces but he can’t cross, is an ok at best short passer and physically incapable of doing a long/cross field pass. Everything he does on the ball lacks any short of conviction. He just isn’t up to it.I doesn't seem like we're necessarily going with the similar players in the same position route, like Zirkzee is very different to Hojlund
For the people wanting to keep him, do you think we play the same way with him as compared to Dalot? If yes, I must be watching different games
I told the west ham fan to watch a video or to and he refused, apparently AWB feels like the wrong type of player... Doesn't deserve to have a great FB at a bargain price fall in his lap.Rolling my eyes at Fans of other teams snubbing AWB.
Has his limitations but better than most fullbacks in this league (Especially outside the top 4)
I personally wouldn’t sell. If we are happy to keep a limited player like Malacia then AWB defs makes the cut as a squad option. For me he actually improved on the ball last season but still not good enough to start for us (given our ambitions).
15m is insulting for a 26 year old fullback with almost 200 Prem appearances and a unique skillset + he’s on reasonable wages
I told the west ham fan to watch a video or to and he refused, apparently AWB feels like the wrong type of player... Doesn't deserve to have a great FB at a bargain price fall in his lap.
Anyway if I'm AWB and a return to London isn't important to me I'd go and play abroad for a while Infront of some fans that respected my skills. It's not as if WHU is compelling is it?